Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Cody montana

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists."

Yeah, it's not like they had some huge movement or anything last year.

MisterAnarchy

Its funny that the other 99.8% of black lives destroyed by people who are not police do not seem to attract nearly as much attention in the media.

walshb

Cody montana wrote: »

Yeah, imagine calling out racism.
What a monster.


BTW, this was from the same speech.

"This is a time for this country to come together, to unite as Americans. We can never be any safe Harbor for hate in America. I’ve said it many times. The battle for soul of this nation has been a constant push and pull for more than 240 years, a tug of war between the American ideal that we’re all created equal, and the harsh reality that racism has long torn us apart."

No, he called out systemic racism..

There is a difference...

And that difference is where the real danger lies!

Cody montana

walshb wrote: »

No, he called out systemic racism..

There is a difference...

And that difference is where the real danger lies!

And that's a bad thing IYO?

walshb

Cody montana wrote: »

And that's a bad thing IYO?

Extremely bad when it’s completely false, yes!!!

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Very disappointing to see the head of the country saying that there is systemic racism in America.

"What these studies have in common is that scholars argue that racial disparities in the criminal justice system can be accounted for by higher Black... involvement in the most serious violent crimes. But system disparities for other crimes, even other violent crimes, cannot be explained or justified by higher levels of involvement of people of color for these crimes."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9133.12361

"If pictures could talk, Figures 3-5 would speak volumes about the racial and ethnic disparities in lead toxicity that children in segregated Chicago neighborhoods have had to endure... Flint, Michigan, is not an aberration... Black and Hispanic neighborhoods exhibited extraordinarily high rates of lead toxicity compared to White neighborhoods at the start of our study in 1995, in some cases with prevalence rates topping 90% of the child population. Black disadvantage in particular is pronounced not only relative to Whites but even relative to Hispanics in every year from 1995-2013."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/du-bois-review-social-science-research-on-race/article/racial-ecology-of-lead-poisoning/F39AF4724258606DCC1CDA369DC08707

"Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/21/17139300/economic-mobility-study-race-black-white-women-men-incarceration-income-chetty-hendren-jones-porter

"Studies have shown that white people prefer to live in communities where there are fewer black people, regardless of their income."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/milwaukee-segregation-wealthy-black-families.html

"Black men have much lower chances of climbing the income ladder than white men even if they grow up on the same block"

https://voxeu.org/article/race-and-economic-opportunity-united-states

Cody montana

walshb wrote: »

Extremely bad when it’s completely false, yes!!!

And how do you know?

walshb

Cody montana wrote: »

And how do you know?

And how does he know, you mean..

He made the very serious claim..

So, can he actually show this systemic racism in America..just saying it to appear all woke and to grab votes doesn’t mean it’s true.

Faugheen

walshb wrote: »

And how does he know, you mean..

Well he lives there, for one.

walshb

Faugheen wrote: »

Well he lives there, for one.

Case solved, so!!!

walshb

walshb wrote: »

And how does he know, you mean..

He made the very serious claim..

So, can he actually show this systemic racism in America..just saying it to appear all woke and to grab votes doesn’t mean it’s true.

He uses facts and sources like I did to come to a conclusion based on what the experts say.

Cody montana

walshb wrote: »

And how does he know, you mean..

He made the very serious claim..

So, can he actually show this systemic racism in America..just saying it to appear all woke and to grab votes doesn’t mean it’s true.

Erm, he's the president.
They just had a huge movement last year regarding racism and police brutality.

So calling out racism and calling to unite the country is dividing the country IYO.

You do know he's already elected, so he's not looking for votes.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

He uses facts and sources like I did to come to a conclusion based on what the experts say.

I’d love to see his facts..

Stating facts about people of different colors does not mean that there is systemic racism..

Racism that is institutional, deliberate, encouraged, provided for, regulated for, given laws for etc...

Statistics showing crime levels, employment levels, educational achievement and participation does mean there is systemic racism..

The absolute key here is that nowhere in the U.S. is there a single law that targets color...

So, all these facts and stats can be debated and argued and explained..

They do not have to exist due to systemic racism.

MisterAnarchy

Cody montana wrote: »

They just had a huge movement last year regarding racism and police brutality.

Do you think that the police are inherently racist ?

walshb

Cody montana wrote: »

Erm, he's the president.
They just had a huge movement last year regarding racism and police brutality.

So calling out racism and calling to unite the country is dividing the country IYO.

You do know he's already elected, so he's not looking for votes.

Politicians are always looking for votes..

Don’t be so naive.

You do know they look ahead? To the future...

Votes.....

Biden is a member of a party. They don’t just stop looking for votes after they get someone into the White House...

everlast75

White men sitting behind a keyboard in Ireland weigh in on why, despite evidence to the contrary, they think black people aren't discriminated against in the U.S.

Amazing stuff really.

walshb

everlast75 wrote: »

White men sitting behind a keyboard in Ireland weigh in on why, despite evidence to the contrary, they think black people aren't discriminated against in the U.S.

Amazing stuff really.

And there are plenty black people who would be quite insulted listening to white peoples telling them that they are being discriminated against ..

Works both ways..

Whites getting offereded on behalf of black people can be quite sickening..

Faugheen

walshb wrote: »

And there are plenty black people who would be quite insulted listening to white peoples telling them that they are being discriminated against ..

Works both ways..

Whites getting offereded on behalf of black people can be quite sickening..

It really doesn't work both ways.

Also, nobody is getting offended here on behalf of black people. Just calling out nonsense for what it is.

extra gravy

everlast75 wrote: »

White men sitting behind a keyboard in Ireland weigh in on why, despite evidence to the contrary, they think black people aren't discriminated against in the U.S.

Amazing stuff really.

Their "opinions" consist of buzzwords and fake outrage. No actual knowledge or evidence to support their claims. Grown men that use "woke" as a slur aren't to be taken seriously.

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the country was founded on systemic racism. Racism was the law until a year or two before I was born. It hasn't gone away in the intervening years.

It's literally still in the constitution, as a form of punishment for crime. Amendment XIII.

MisterAnarchy

extra gravy wrote: »

Their "opinions" consist of buzzwords and fake outrage. No actual knowledge or evidence to support their claims. Grown men that use "woke" as a slur aren't to be taken seriously.

A recent survey revealed the extent to which the public is misinformed on the issue of police violence.

Participants across the political spectrum in the nationally representative survey were asked how many unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019.
The results were revealing.
Overall, nearly half of surveyed liberals (44 percent) estimated roughly between 1,000 and 10,000 unarmed black men were killed whereas 20 percent of conservatives estimated the same.
The actual number of unarmed black men killed by the police in 2019 is 14.

The second question the survey asked was: “In 2019, what percentage of people killed by police were Black?” While the survey states that the actual percentage is around 25 percent, the average survey respondent guessed 50 percent (58 percent for liberals and 41 percent for conservatives).
The disconnect between perception and reality couldn’t be starker.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/27/cases-of-police-brutality-against-black-people-are-overestimated/amp/

Police make around 10m arrests each year in the US.

In the last 5 years, the police have fatally shot on average 1,000 civilians annually, the vast majority of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous.

Police shot 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.
There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year.

The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings comprises only 0.2% of that total which is a tiny percentage.

Why aren’t the media up in arms about the majority of these 7300 murders, which are largely black on black crime related ?

Why aren’t they on about the 25 shootings in Chicago last weekend resulting in 5 deaths including a 7 year old killed in a drive by shooting ?

It doesn’t suit the narrative thats why.

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.

Is that enough stats for you ?

extra gravy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

A recent survey revealed the extent to which the public is misinformed on the issue of police violence.


https://nypost.com/2021/02/27/cases-of-police-brutality-against-black-people-are-overestimated/amp/

Police make around 10m arrests each year in the US.

In the last 5 years, the police have fatally shot on average 1,000 civilians annually, the vast majority of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous.

Police shot 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.
There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year.

The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings comprises only 0.2% of that total which is a tiny percentage.

Why aren’t the media up in arms about the majority of these 7300 murders, which are largely black on black crime related ?

Why aren’t they on about the 25 shootings in Chicago last weekend resulting in 5 deaths including a 7 year old killed in a drive by shooting ?

It doesn’t suit the narrative thats why.

In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.

Is that enough stats for you ?

Complains about "left wing academia" indoctrination then uses a right wing rag to try and make his point. Funny!

biko

extra gravy wrote: »

Complains about "left wing academia" indoctrination then uses a right wing rag to try and make his point. Funny!

Is anything of the reported incorrect?

Overheal

Biden announced a tax credit for businesses who give paid leave to take the vaccine. I think it must mean to next years taxes though.

biko

Overheal wrote: »

It's literally still in the constitution, as a form of punishment for crime. Amendment XIII.

Is that the punishment of penal labour?


It is

The 13th Amendment of the US Constitution, enacted in 1865, explicitly allows penal labour as it states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction".

Unconvicted detainees awaiting trial cannot be forced to participate in forced rehabilitative labour programs in prison as it violates the Thirteenth Amendment.

Fun facts
1 Penal servitude was abolished in Ireland in 1997.
2 Most Japanese prisoners are required to engage in prison labour, often in manufacturing parts which are then sold cheaply to private Japanese companies.

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Is that the punishment of penal labour?

Generally yes.

Very good enterprise it became to round up blacks for perceived crimes and then fashion them as your prison labor force. After all, there seems to be the popular belief that they have superhuman strength.

biko

Bring it up with Kamala

For example, Harris’s office fought to release fewer prisoners, even after the US Supreme Court found that overcrowding in California prisons was so bad that it amounted to unconstitutional cruel and unusual punishment.

At one point, her lawyers argued that the state couldn’t release some prisoners because it would deplete its pool for prison labor — but Harris quickly clarified that she was not aware her office was going with that argument until it was reported by media.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

everlast75

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

You think that you can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with you is it ?
Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic.

Did you just attribute a bad motive to me?

biko

everlast75 wrote: »

Did you just attribute a bad motive to me?

Next step, assuming genders.

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Bring it up with Kamala



https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

You say take it up with Kamala but then make clear in your quote that she had no knowledge of that argument and repudiated it the moment she heard it had been used. So, what are you actually saying here? Nothing? Or I guess we both agree that there is clearly SYSTEMIC incentive, evidence in your link, to keep prison labor pools and not for any reason of the incarcerated persons' civil rights or for their associated due process concerns. Just for labor.