Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Brian?

EddieN75 wrote: »

Exactly. It was never going to happen. It was election speak

Correction, if the Dems do well at the mid terms it will happen.

Does Biden have to get everything he planned to do done in the first 100 days to be a success? He has 4 years.

pjohnson

Brian? wrote: »

He can't just wave a hand and say make it so! It had to pass through congress. It'll be a struggle to get it through the Senate with the filibuster.

The actual power of the POTUS seem to be a mystery to a lot of posters.

Tbf a recent POTUS hadnt a notion what he could do himself.

Overheal

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Does Biden still support a 15 dollar minimum wage or was that just a lie to help him get elected ?

Doesn't seem to be pushing for it now.

In fact it was part of his joint address to Congress specifically referencing the PRO act:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/550845-biden-calls-for-passage-of-pro-union-pro-act-and-15-minimum-wage?fbclid=IwAR3PD9M7PhIBRP5PDMWDg_X2a2vv-qHTlhKPOQRKJ3RABOsrHWH_ON9VHcM

everlast75

Sadler Peak wrote: »

Does Biden still support a 15 dollar minimum wage or was that just a lie to help him get elected ?

Doesn't seem to be pushing for it now.

Another swing and a miss...

mcmoustache

everlast75 wrote: »

Another swing and a miss...

There are a lot of posters who don't know the difference between something not happening and them not knowing that something happened. It's not that long ago that they were demanding that Biden brief the press when it had to be pointed out to them that he had given one a day or two previously. Their desire to be outraged is far greater than it is to be informed. Then again, that's the right-wing media and online ecosystem in a nutshell.

duploelabs

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-30/pentagon-cancels-trump-s-border-wall-projects-under-biden-order

The Pentagon said Friday it had canceled projects related to Donald Trump’s border wall and was returning money the former president directed to the project to defense programs.

“The Department of Defense is proceeding with canceling all border barrier construction projects paid for with funds originally intended for other military missions and functions such as schools for military children, overseas military construction projects in partner nations, and the National Guard and Reserve equipment account,” Jamal Brown, deputy Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

Overheal

duploelabs wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-30/pentagon-cancels-trump-s-border-wall-projects-under-biden-order

The Pentagon said Friday it had canceled projects related to Donald Trump’s border wall and was returning money the former president directed to the project to defense programs.

“The Department of Defense is proceeding with canceling all border barrier construction projects paid for with funds originally intended for other military missions and functions such as schools for military children, overseas military construction projects in partner nations, and the National Guard and Reserve equipment account,” Jamal Brown, deputy Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

Great. Congress never appropriated the money for that anyway. To think we still probably have people who haven’t received back pay for the shut down surrounding that, because Trump said to Congress, make a deal and I’ll sign it, they did, and the sudden dose of bipartisanship blew his fuse.

EddieN75

Overheal wrote: »

Great. Congress never appropriated the money for that anyway. To think we still probably have people who haven’t received back pay for the shut down surrounding that, because Trump said to Congress, make a deal and I’ll sign it, they did, and the sudden dose of bipartisanship blew his fuse.

Did Trump and then Biden send out cheques to every single citizen or was there a criteria?

Water John

EddieN75 wrote: »

Did Trump and then Biden send out cheques to every single citizen or was there a criteria?

Biden didn't ask for his name to be on the cheques, POD.

EddieN75

Water John wrote: »

Biden didn't ask for his name to be on the cheques, POD.

I didn't know that. That's an interesting fact but not the answer to the question.

Water John

I presume it went to any adult with a Social Security Number.

Smee_Again

EddieN75 wrote: »

Did Trump and then Biden send out cheques to every single citizen or was there a criteria?

Married people got the cheques too.

EddieN75

Water John wrote: »

I presume it went to any adult with a Social Security Number.

We didn't get anything and then you hear about Americans saying Europe is socialist. We got no government cheque in the door .

MisterAnarchy

Good article on Biden by Douglas Murray today.

Cuddly old Joe Biden is just as divisive as Donald Trump ever was

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/01/cuddly-joe-biden-just-divisive-donald-trump-ever/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619898503

This week Joe Biden gave his first address to a joint session of Congress. And despite all the clichés, the reception was distinctly warm. For President Biden is still riding on the simple fact that he is not his predecessor.

Yet much of his speech was at least as Manichean as anything Donald Trump said while in office. According to Biden, in the one hundred days since he took control “America is... choosing hope over fear, truth over lies, and light over darkness.” Outside of the US it is easy to fall into line with President Biden’s generous analysis of his own performance. His administration has rejoined, or sought to rejoin every international body that the Trump administration scorned. Often for no reason other than that Trump scorned them.

However, the division in America which skyrocketed during the Trump presidency has not been mollified. Far from it. Biden may have run as a cuddly centrist, but he is governing as someone deeply attracted to the leftwards drift of the Democratic Party.

He has already announced tax-hikes to pay for the trillions of dollars of stimulus packages that he has been rolling out. Under Biden “tax the rich” is a popular theme, and his chosen way of trying to find his way out of the slump caused by the pandemic. The plans he has announced would see top-rate tax-payers paying 40 per cent tax. Which may sound like a bargain to some Britons, until you remember how little American tax-payers get for their dollars.

Elsewhere the Biden administration has been careful not so much to touch as to jump on every nerve of the American right. It has set up a commission which is looking into expanding the Supreme Court, getting around the judges appointed by Trump by simply out-numbering them. The Democrats are also talking of making new states out of Puerto Rico and Washington DC, altering the electoral map in their favour.

And all that is before you get onto the social issues which are roiling America. Earlier this month the new US Ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, gave a speech in which she said “I have seen for myself how the original sin of slavery weaved white supremacy into our founding documents and principles.” The administration has announced plans to introduce controversial critical race theory into history and civics teaching across the American school system. Even more than tax-hikes, these fundamental shifts in America’s understanding of itself and its history are kryptonite to the millions who voted for Trump.

It is easy to talk about trying to reconcile America’s divides. But under Biden – as much as under his predecessor – America’s politicians have more to gain in stoking them. By talking of their enemies as forces of darkness and themselves as the forces of light. By presenting the infinitely complex task of governing this vast country as though it were a simple matter of “hope over fear”. America had four turbulent years under Trump, but Biden’s words and actions suggest he prefers victory over calm just as surely as his predecessor did.

extra gravy

EddieN75 wrote: »

We didn't get anything and then you hear about Americans saying Europe is socialist. We got no government cheque in the door .

"We didn't get anything" - what do you call PUP, EWSS, CRSS?

Professor Moriarty

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Good article on Biden by Douglas Murray today.

Cuddly old Joe Biden is just as divisive as Donald Trump ever was

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/01/cuddly-joe-biden-just-divisive-donald-trump-ever/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1619898503

Rubbish article. Par for the course for The Telegraph. The policies Murray decries aren't socialist, they are simply fairness. Rebalancing the Supreme Court - fair. Taxing the rich - fair. To point out how slavery has woven itself into white supremacy - fair. As for Biden preferring victory over calm just as Trump did, well that's just horsesh1t.

briany

The American Right was on Biden's case before he even got into office. If your opponents are going to hate you no matter what, then it seems a pointless exercise in trying to appease them. Biden knows that there's a sector of American society that's just unreachable at this point, so he needn't even try to reach out to them. It's a free ball for Biden to take on some of the more left policies within the Democrats and run with them and take a punt to win some new people to the Democrat base. If he stays central, he wins nobody and goes down in history as a placeholder president. If he goes too much to the Right he loses voters, and is still the devil in the sermons of Tucker Carlson. Would some of these policies be divisive? You bet, but America's at the point where the division is self-driven. When people are riling themselves up over things that haven't even happened (i.e. massive voter fraud), you're looking at division either way

EddieN75

extra gravy wrote: »

"We didn't get anything" - what do you call PUP, EWSS, CRSS?

Anything as in helicopter money. A payment to every citizen in the country regardless if they are employed or not.

In Ireland only those who lost income got government money myself included for 5 months And they needed and deserved supports.

Helicopter money is a different type of payment. It's designed to be spent. Everyone gets it.

MisterAnarchy

briany wrote: »

The American Right was on Biden's case before he even got into office. If your opponents are going to hate you no matter what, then it seems a pointless exercise in trying to appease them. Biden knows that there's a sector of American society that's just unreachable at this point, so he needn't even try to reach out to them.

You could say the exact same for the American left 4 years ago regarding Trump.

The American left was on Trumps case before he got into office.
If your opponents are going to hate you no matter what, then it seems a pointless exercise in trying to appease them.
Trump knew that there's a sector of American society that was just unreachable at that point, so he didn't even try to reach out to them.

Would some of these policies be divisive? You bet, but America's at the point where the division is self-driven. When people are riling themselves up over things that haven't even happened (i.e. massive voter fraud), you're looking at division either way

Didnt Biden promise unity in his inauguration speech ?
Biden told the country, “On this January day, my whole soul is in this: Bringing America together, uniting our people, and uniting our nation. And I ask every American to join me in this cause.”

The policies Murray decries aren't socialist, they are simply fairness. Rebalancing the Supreme Court - fair. Taxing the rich - fair. To point out how slavery has woven itself into white supremacy - fair.

They might seem fair to you but not to alot of people.

The Supreme Court has had 9 judges for the last 150 years, why does it need to be changed now ?

Critical Race Theory is a poisonous ideology.

LessOutragePlz

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The Supreme has had 9 judges for the last 150 years, why does it need to be changed now ?

Because there's not enough Liberal judges sitting on the supreme Court at the moment :pac:

Tell me how

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

You could say the exact same for the American left 4 years ago regarding Trump.

The American left was on Trumps case before he got into office.
If your opponents are going to hate you no matter what, then it seems a pointless exercise in trying to appease them.
Trump knew that there's a sector of American society that was just unreachable at that point, so he didn't even try to reach out to them.



Didnt Biden promise unity in his inauguration speech ?
Biden told the country, “On this January day, my whole soul is in this: Bringing America together, uniting our people, and uniting our nation. And I ask every American to join me in this cause.”



They might seem fair to you but not to alot of people.

The Supreme has had 9 judges for the last 150 years, why does it need to be changed now ?

Why was it changed 150 years ago?

AS for the The left being on Trumps case 4 years ago because it was obvious what he was going to bring to the table. And it played out that way. There was a very strong basis for having that position given Trumps business record, his simplistic town hall rhetoric, his actions on tape and on video his imploring Russia or China to get involved and his reluctance even then to say that he would accept the result if he lost.

All of it has been shown to have been justified skepticism.

briany

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

You could say the exact same for the American left 4 years ago regarding Trump.

The American left was on Trumps case before he got into office.
If your opponents are going to hate you no matter what, then it seems a pointless exercise in trying to appease them.
Trump knew that there's a sector of American society that was just unreachable at that point, so he didn't even try to reach out to them.



The Biden promise unity in his inauguration speech ?
Biden told the country, “On this January day, my whole soul is in this: Bringing America together, uniting our people, and uniting our nation. And I ask every American to join me in this cause.”

To be honest, if Trump had just gotten on with the policies he'd promised to enact during his presidential campaign and not engaged in endless jaw jacking, plus a wheeling, chaotic response to Covid, he'd probably have been reelected. It was that which sunk him rather than his policies to start with. By the same token, Biden's policies can stand being divisive if they work for enough swing voters. Every president preaches unity - Trump even spoke about coming together during his 2016 victory speech - but the unavoidable fact is that if you move decisively, you'll make enemies, and so it really comes down to p*ssing off the least number of people unnecessarily.

MisterAnarchy

briany wrote: »

To be honest, if Trump had just gotten on with the policies he'd promised to enact during his presidential campaign and not engaged in endless jaw jacking, plus a wheeling, chaotic response to Covid, he'd probably have been reelected. It was that which sunk him rather than his policies to start with.

Its kind of hard to get on with trying to enact policy when you have a mainstream media out to spin every Trump story in a negative manner.

Trump also didnt seem to have any policies according to some posters on here, despite alot of his policies being similar to Democratic ones as Trump himself wasnt a real Republican.

Only a few days ago this hyperbole was posted on here

Biden has already done more for the US and the World than the previous incumbent did in his four years.

You are right though, Trump would have been relected but for Covid.
It stalled the economy and Trumps handling of it was poor, all he had to do was act Presidential but his ego prevented that.

Funny how such a useless President was so close to being relected, it took a once in a lifetime pandemic to stop him.

Tell me how

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its kind of hard to get on with trying to enact policy when you have a mainstream media out to spin every Trump story in a negative manner.

Trump also didnt seem to have any policies according to some posters on here, despite alot of his policies being similar to Democratic ones as Trump himself wasnt a real Republican.

Only a few days ago this hyperbole was posted on here


You are right though, Trump would have been relected but for Covid.
It stalled the economy and Trumps handling of it was poor, all he had to do was act Presidential but his ego prevented that.

Funny how such a useless President was so close to being relected, it took a once in a lifetime pandemic to stop him.

Fox News more than made up for that. Jim Acosta identified them perfectly earlier today.

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1388606772638748673

Professor Moriarty

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its kind of hard to get on with trying to enact policy when you have a mainstream media out to spin every Trump story in a negative manner.

Trump also didnt seem to have any policies according to some posters on here, despite alot of his policies being similar to Democratic ones as Trump himself wasnt a real Republican.

Only a few days ago this hyperbole was posted on here


You are right though, Trump would have been relected but for Covid.
It stalled the economy and Trumps handling of it was poor, all he had to do was act Presidential but his ego prevented that.

Funny how such a useless President was so close to being relected, it took a once in a lifetime pandemic to stop him.

You quoted me. Couldn't be arsed engaging with such silly straw man logical fallacies. They're simply not good enough. Boring. I'll leave you with this: Trump versus Biden? Just two words. Climate change.

MisterAnarchy

Tell me how wrote: »

Fox News more than made up for that. Jim Acosta identified them perfectly earlier today.

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1388606772638748673

Jim Acosta calling Fox News the bs factory.
The pot calling the kettle black.
People in glasshouses shouldnt throw stones.

I like the way that you acknowledged the bias of the mainstream media though.

MeMen2_MoRi_

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The Supreme Court has had 9 judges for the last 150 years, why does it need to be changed now ?

Critical Race Theory is a poisonous ideology.

If you put your hand on your heart, you would know the answer to the question you pose ffs..

What is being done now was done in reverse in obama's last year as POTUS, explain away how a justice was blocked being just put forward for consideration.. I'm open to understanding this.. fire away

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its kind of hard to get on with trying to enact policy when you have a mainstream media out to spin every Trump story in a negative manner.

Trump also didnt seem to have any policies according to some posters on here, despite alot of his policies being similar to Democratic ones as Trump himself wasnt a real Republican.

Only a few days ago this hyperbole was posted on here


You are right though, Trump would have been relected but for Covid.
It stalled the economy and Trumps handling of it was poor, all he had to do was act Presidential but his ego prevented that.

Funny how such a useless President was so close to being relected, it took a once in a lifetime pandemic to stop him.

Politicians enact policies all the time regardless of the media, saying otherwise is just an excuse for the fact that most of trumps were unworkable bullsh1t.

The reason trump couldn't act presidential was simply due to the fact he wasn't up to the job, but there was plenty of evidence of that well before covid. About the only thing he was useful at was a figure head for conspiracy theory believers, scrotes and psychos, while helping other grifters con people out of their money.

Edit: Actually he did help a lot of hackers get access to systems because of the stupidity of a lot of his followers.

MeMen2_MoRi_

I said it before, when something new is put into the system the other will latch onto it and create their own new thing.. it will lead to a spiral.

From my short time of looking in on internal US politics the ones creating new avenues for politicing is the GOP, when it turns around and bites them in the ass they scream blue murder. They fcuked Obama over big time with with holding a justice being put forward and heard if they were suited for the job.. the Dems are fighting back. Well fcuk who thought that would happen?

The soft lefty belly isn't so soft..

MisterAnarchy

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

If you put your hand on your heart, you would know the answer to the question you pose ffs..

What is being done now was done in reverse in obama's last year as POTUS, explain away how a justice was blocked being just put forward for consideration.. I'm open to understanding this.. fire away

That was one seat.
Democrats want to increase the number of judges by 4 from 9 to 13.
Changing a 150 year precedent basically because they want to pack the court.
Not very Democratic.