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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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    #6512
    poisonated
    Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    If I were living in America, I’d be delighted with the job Biden is going!


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    #6513
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Since you all dislike CNN so much which is interesting since its a thread full of Democrats here's the story from reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-jobs-report-shows-long-way-go-economic-recovery-2021-05-07/


    Tough U.S. jobs report shows Biden’s rocky road to full economic recovery



    U.S. job growth unexpectedly slowed last month, likely restrained by shortages of workers and raw materials. Nonfarm payrolls increased by only 266,000 jobs, well below the nearly 1 million jobs economists expected

    I neither like nor dislike CNN. I rarely watch it. I am asking why you’re so fixated on the fact CNN said something.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #6514
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    Since you all dislike CNN so much which is interesting since its a thread full of Democrats here's the story from reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/white-house-jobs-report-shows-long-way-go-economic-recovery-2021-05-07/


    Tough U.S. jobs report shows Biden’s rocky road to full economic recovery



    U.S. job growth unexpectedly slowed last month, likely restrained by shortages of workers and raw materials. Nonfarm payrolls increased by only 266,000 jobs, well below the nearly 1 million jobs economists expected

    At almost 75% lower than predicted and reported as "dismal" by CNN team Biden must go on the offensive to turn things around. I would expect more supports to be pushed through and we might even see another executive order or two .


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    #6515
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Get everybody vaccinated and then the jobs will appear.

    That's not it. It is actually the case that for the first time ever in America, for a good segment of the workforce, it pays more not to work. For example, an uber where I live is nigh on impossible to get these days, and I live in Vegas ffs. Restaurants can't get wait staff, etc. They are calling out for workers, the jobs are there


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    #6516
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,240 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ceadaoin. wrote:
    That's not it. It is actually the case that for the first time ever in America, for a good segment of the workforce, it pays more not to work. For example, an uber where I live is nigh on impossible to get these days, and I live in Vegas ffs. Restaurants can't get wait staff, etc.
    Well I'd say it's down to people wanting to stay safe.


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    #6517
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I'd say it's down to people wanting to stay safe.

    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.


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    #6518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.

    Highlighted the important word. Less than half of people over 16 in Vegas have received one vaccination and less than 30% are fully vaccinated.


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    #6519
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Highlighted the important word.

    Ok so they should be forced to get one? Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. What more do you want?


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    #6520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ok so they should be forced to get one? Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. What more do you want?

    No they should not. But it explains why people are not talking jobs at Uber etc. when most of the city is not vaccinated.


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    #6521
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No they should not. But it explains why people are not talking jobs at Uber etc. when most of the city is not vaccinated.

    No, they can make more, or the same,money not working. Its a fact. I know people who say as much, its nothing to do with vaccinations.


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    #6522
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No, they can make more, or the same,money not working. Its a fact. I know people who say as much, its nothing to do with vaccinations.

    No, what I say is a fact. Here is my source.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-04-21/vegas-area-lawmakers-link-capacity-to-covid-19-vaccine-rates

    What is your source for your "fact"?


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    #6523
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Anyone over the age of 16 can get a vaccine here. It's not down to that.

    That's only since around the 20th of April, you're still looking at about 4 weeks or so for proper protections from it....(assuming both doses are received) We're at the start of May... It would be strange to expect things to so rapidly for jobs that are very people oriented after a globally devastating pandemic. It's not anything to do with making more by not working, it's weariness and fear.


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    #6524
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, what I say is a fact. Here is my source.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-04-21/vegas-area-lawmakers-link-capacity-to-covid-19-vaccine-rates

    What is your source for your "fact"?

    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.


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    #6525
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.
    Maybe if Uber paid more, they'd have less trouble staffing? Supply and demand.

    Or, wait till the stimulus stops and they'll return, amiright?


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    #6526
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That's only since around the 20th of April, you're still looking at about 4 weeks or so for proper protections from it....(assuming both doses are received) We're at the start of May... It would be strange to expect things to so rapidly for jobs that are very people oriented after a globally devastating pandemic. It's not anything to do with making more by not working, it's weariness and fear.

    Ok. We've been practically fully open since last May. A year. Restaurants, casinos, all open since then.


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    #6527
    [Deleted User]
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My source is I live in Vegas. Restaurants, bars etc are packed nightly. I know people who aren't driving uber because they make more on unemployment. I know it's hard to get an uber because of the aforementioned fact.

    Nevada has 28% fully vaccinated and 46% partially vaccinated. Life has returned to normal regardless.

    I do not see a source. All I see is the ramblings of someone who wants to be right but cannot find evidence of that being the case.

    You can quickly look up the average salary of an Uber driver in Vegas. You can quickly look up what unemployment benefit is in Vegas. Compare the two numbers and tell us what you find.
    I have already done this. You are wrong.


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    #6528
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Maybe if Uber paid more, they'd have less trouble staffing? Supply and demand.

    Or, wait till the stimulus stops and they'll return, amiright?

    Look I agree with you, uber should pay more. I'm just saying from my experience it's the case that people make more not working, on uber at least.


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    #6529
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ok. We've been practically fully open since last May. A year. Restaurants, casinos, all open since then.

    And? Vaccinations only started at the start of this year, for a large portion of the period Vegas was open for, the US was experiencing one of the worst rates of covid deaths in the globe. Vaccinations only became available for all groups over sixteen recently. So yep, I can completely understand why people in service level roles etc are apprehensive.

    The fact that businesses were open for the last year would tend to reinforce plenty of people's feelings that worker safety is not a priority tbh.


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    #6530
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I do not see a source. All I see is the ramblings of someone who wants to be right but cannot find evidence of that being the case.

    You can quickly look up the average salary of an Uber driver in Vegas. You can quickly look up what unemployment benefit is in Vegas. Compare the two numbers and tell us what you find.
    I have already done this. You are wrong.

    Hey, I don't think it's fair to say I'm "rambling" . The unemployment system here is completely broken. There are still people who haven't received a dime who were completely entitled to it. And there are people who benefit from not working, such as some uber drivers.


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    #6531
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Look I agree with you, uber should pay more. I'm just saying from my experience it's the case that people make more not working, on uber at least.

    But is it true?

    Your experience. Can you earn more not working? Your friends and family? Or is it second hand or assuming?

    It could be a combination. Support is enough to cover the basics and returning to work isn't worth the risk until far more people are vaccinated.

    The real question to ask is why, if vaccines are so available, are people not getting them?

    Seems massively selfish to expect people to return to work so one can enjoy themselves while refusing to do something to protect that person.


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    #6532
    [Deleted User]
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Hey, I don't think it's fair to say I'm "rambling" . The unemployment system here was completely broken. There are still people who haven't received a dime who were completely entitled to it. And there are people who benefit from not working, such as some uber drivers.

    I still don't see any sources. Would you like me to demonstrate how you are objectively wrong by providing the sources for you, or would you prefer to do it yourself?
    "My friends say that..." is not a source.


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    #6533
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Vaccinations only became available for all groups over sixteen recently. So yep, I can completely understand why people in service level roles etc are apprehensive.
    .

    Hospitality/casino/hotel workers were prioritized for vaccines before it was open for all


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    #6534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Hospitality/casino/hotel workers were prioritized for vaccines before it was open for all

    Were Uber drivers? No? So that point is redundant.


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    #6535
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Were Uber drivers? No? So that point is redundant.

    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant


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    #6536
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant

    And you've given up replying to me I assume? Because you're wrong?

    1) What does an unemployed person currently receive in Las Vegas?

    2) What is the average income of an Uber driver in Las Vegas?

    This will take less than 30 seconds for you to find the answers to so I assume you've done that. What did you find?


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    #6537
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I was replying to the person who mentioned hospitality workers, so no its not redundant

    So in the middle of a pandemic you think a problem is that low income people are not going back to jobs to service better off people many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    As long as those people refuse to join the nation and the world in solving this problem by putting their own beliefs and incorrect information ahead of the needs of their fellow citizens, I think it only right that they continue to subsidise those people they would put at risk.

    What level of subsidy are I Uber drivers getting btw?


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    #6538
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So in the middle of a pandemic you think a problem is that low income people are not going back to jobs to service better off people many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    Didn't say its a problem. Just stating facts . And no its not an issue that hotel/ casino workers aren't going back, as much as you'd like to make it one. People want to work for the most part, and the majority of hospitality workers are vaccinated. Your point is?


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    #6539
    [Deleted User]
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Didn't say its a problem. Just stating facts . And no its nots an issue that hotel/ casino workers aren't going back, as much as you'd like to make it one.

    The fact that you are ignoring questions means that you are fully aware that you are not stating facts.


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    #6540
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    many of whom refuse to take the vaccination, and probably masks and sanitisation.

    Any evidence? Sounds like baseless speculation used as an excuse to push your personal economic beliefs.


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    #6541
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    EddieN75 wrote: »
    Any evidence? Sounds like baseless speculation used as an excuse to push your personal economic beliefs.

    I can attest that masks are strictly enforced everywhere. Hand sanitizing stations all over the place. Some even have actual hand washing facilities which I think should stay tbh. People were ****ing delighted to get back to work. It's been a year now of being open, we're good.


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