Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

Oh, I found the video about this.

https://www.facebook.com/slaygaryen1/videos/4309579135733599

Sigh.

Yeah i seen that video before. The person sitting there videoing it and doing nothing is as stupid.

eagle eye

Cody montana wrote:

He also said he would win re-election. So yeah.

Can you name those who went for re-election who didn't say that?
I despise Trump but making that out as something that only he would do is ridiculous.

Leroy42

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you name those who went for re-election who didn't say that?
I despise Trump but making that out as something that only he would do is ridiculous.

Its that one simply can't take the things he did say when they turn out to be correct and ignore everything he got incorrect.

The poster was trying to make the point that Trump warned everyone, ignoring that Trump warned everyone about lots of things that didn't happen.

Trump has zero credibility. Even when he gets stuff right its more luck, or probability, that any innate intelligence or serious thinking on a subject.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its that one simply can't take the things he did say when they turn out to be correct and ignore everything he got incorrect.

The poster was trying to make the point that Trump warned everyone, ignoring that Trump warned everyone about lots of things that didn't happen.

Trump has zero credibility. Even when he gets stuff right its more luck, or probability, that any innate intelligence or serious thinking on a subject.

A stopped clock is right twice a day

Yeah_Right

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is worrying that people need to be told that.

Yeah it is. But it was only a year or so ago that some people thought injesting bleach could cure covid so it's not really a surprise.

Carfacemandog

What's funny and what a certain poster is likely going to just try to ignore because it's inconvenient, is that gas/petrol prices in the US went up under Trump before Covid hit in 2020.

They then went down during covid as there were such lower amounts of it being used - this was a global trend, and saw world storage basically hit capacity as a result.

Prices are now going back up, as more is being used due to vaccines getting rolled out (and the US has improved on vaccination rates dramatically since Biden took office) and people are becoming more active again.

Quin_Dub

Carfacemandog wrote: »

What's funny and what a certain poster is likely going to just try to ignore because it's inconvenient, is that gas/petrol prices in the US went up under Trump before Covid hit in 2020.

They then went down during covid as there were such lower amounts of it being used - this was a global trend, and saw world storage basically hit capacity as a result.

Prices are now going back up, as more is being used due to vaccines getting rolled out (and the US has improved on vaccination rates dramatically since Biden took office) and people are becoming more active again.

And , for the US , the summer season is peak consumption - A combination of increased driving and general energy consumption from Air-Conditioning etc.

Peak price is almost always during the summer.

biko

More than 120 retired generals and admirals wrote to Biden suggesting he wasn't legitimately elected and questioning his mental health

Things you only dare doing when you're retired and your income can't be taken away

The mental state thing is mentioned as

The mental and physical condition of the Commander in Chief cannot be ignored. He must be able to quickly make accurate national security decisions involving life and limb anywhere, day or night.
Recent Democrat leadership’s inquiries about nuclear code procedures sends a dangerous national security signal to nuclear armed adversaries, raising the question about who is in charge. We must always have an unquestionable chain of command.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/2021%20Open%20Letter%20from%20Retired%20Generals%20and%20Adm.pdf?ver=1620643005025

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-generals-admirals-letter-question-election-biden-health-2021-5?op=1&r=US&IR=T

everlast75

biko wrote: »

More than 120 retired generals and admirals wrote to Biden suggesting he wasn't legitimately elected and questioning his mental health

Things you only dare doing when you're retired and your income can't be taken away

The only people I would be worried about in terms of mental health are those that question the validity of the election

Brian?

biko wrote: »

Things you only dare doing when you're retired and your income can't be taken away

The mental state thing is mentioned as


https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/2021%20Open%20Letter%20from%20Retired%20Generals%20and%20Adm.pdf?ver=1620643005025

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-generals-admirals-letter-question-election-biden-health-2021-5?op=1&r=US&IR=T

What’s your opinion?

Tony EH

They can "suggest" all they like. It's still a load of old bollocks.

Professor Moriarty

biko wrote: »

Things you only dare doing when you're retired and your income can't be taken away

The mental state thing is mentioned as


https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/2021%20Open%20Letter%20from%20Retired%20Generals%20and%20Adm.pdf?ver=1620643005025

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-generals-admirals-letter-question-election-biden-health-2021-5?op=1&r=US&IR=T

From the second paragraph:

“With the Democrat Party welcoming Socialists and Marxists, our historic way of life is at stake.”

Enough said.

biko

biko wrote: »

More than 120 retired generals and admirals wrote to Biden suggesting he wasn't legitimately elected and questioning his mental health

Are you suggesting that such opinions should be taken seriously? Would you not rather take this to the conspiracy theories forum where it belongs?

Overheal

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

From the second paragraph:

“With the Democrat Party welcoming Socialists and Marxists, our historic way of life is at stake.”

Enough said.

Bunch of Qanon washouts

Overheal

WhomadeGod wrote: »

That's crazy 120 retired Genreals and Admirals saying that.

Men willing to risk thier reputation and not to be taken lightly.

These are proud men who have served their country at an extremely high level.

They’re the Proudest of Boys alright

WhomadeGod

WhomadeGod wrote: »

That's crazy 120 retired Genreals and Admirals saying that.

Men willing to risk thier reputation and not to be taken lightly.

These are proud men who have served their country at an extremely high level.

Since the likes of General Flynn was pushing Qanon conspiracies, you must firmly believe that he is entirely right about pizza gate.

WhomadeGod

WhomadeGod wrote: »

That's crazy 120 retired Genreals and Admirals saying that.

1) What percentage of Americans think the election were rigged? (A quick Google will tell you.)

2) Roughly, how many retired, living US generals/admirals are there? (A quick Google will tell you.)

3) Using maths, what percentage of retired, living US generals/admirals have stated that they believe the election was rigged? (Your nearest democrat will do the math for you.)

Now, compare the percentages from 1) and 3) and tell us why this is crazy?

astrofool

biko wrote: »

More than 120 retired generals and admirals wrote to Biden suggesting he wasn't legitimately elected

This

Instantly discounts this

biko wrote: »

and questioning his mental health

I mean really biko, some retired army generals are questioning the legitimacy of the election, the US is bloody lucky that they've retired already.

Do you still question whether Biden was legitimately elected? Are you drinking the trumpeter kool aid?

The mental state of the previous incumbant barely passed a senility test and was so bad that he didn't even know he was taking a senility test and tried to boast about it.

eagle eye

Well there is a need for a third party, a socialist party. Might be interesting if it happens with them getting enough seats to decide who controls the houses.

namloc1980

eagle eye wrote: »

Well there is a need for a third party, a socialist party. Might be interesting if it happens with them getting enough seats to decide who controls the houses.

The way the system is set up in the US means it's virtually impossible for a third party of sufficient size to win seats in Congress. Plurality first past the post elections means there is no room for 3rd party candidates, especially given the massive resources the two main parties have.

Leroy42

Is it the fact they are retired Generals or the number being 120 that you opt to give this credibility?

Have you checked up on who these 120 actually are? What their history is and what their qualifications are to give them any ability to deem an election as fraudulent or not? Not sure how being a General qualifies one for making a judgment on election security.

eagle eye

namloc1980 wrote:

The way the system is set up in the US means it's virtually impossible for a third party of sufficient size to win seats in Congress. Plurality first past the post elections means there is no room for 3rd party candidates, especially given the massive resources the two main parties have.

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

The only party discussing splitting is the Republicans:

https://www.acallforamericanrenewal.com/

The letter, teased earlier this week, dropped today and is signed by over 100 prominent conservatives:

Though most are retired and haven't announced plans to run for office, notable names include former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman and former Transportation Secretary under George W. Bush, Mary Peters. Former congressional representatives include Barbara Comstock of Virginia, Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, Reid Ribble of Wisconsin and Mickey Edwards of Oklahoma. Former Trump press secretary Anthony Scaramucci and official Olivia Troye also signed the statement.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/100-republicans-sign-letter-threatening-form-party/story?id=77665734


It follows,

PREAMBLE
These United States, born of noble convictions and aspiring to high purpose, have been an exemplar of self-government to humankind. Thus, when in our democratic republic, forces of conspiracy, division, and despotism arise, it is the patriotic duty of citizens to act collectively in defense of liberty and justice. We, therefore, declare our intent to catalyze an American renewal, and to either reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative.

We call for a rebirth of the American cause and do so in partnership and loyal competition with others committed to the preservation of our Union. With abiding belief in the value and potential of every soul and with goodwill for all, we hereby dedicate ourselves to these principles and make common cause in the flourishing of this great nation and its diverse states, communities, and citizens.

PRINCIPLES
1. Democracy
We seek the preservation and betterment of our democratic republic and the endurance of our self-government, free from interference and defended against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We support reforms that make our system more accessible, transparent, and competitive, oppose the disenfranchisement of voters, and reject populism and illiberalism, whether of the right or the left.

2. Founding Ideals
We reaffirm the self-evident truth that all persons are created equal and free, having the same inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that it is the prerogative of all to make personal decisions in accordance with their free will. We, therefore, condemn all forms of bigotry such as racism, religious intolerance, sexism, and persecution based on sexual orientation.

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Their platform as stated seems patently moderate.

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

Well obviously they'd need money behind them and some big names to have any chance but the Democrats can't keep going as they are because there will be a split in the party at some stage and that would be awful for the US as the Republicans would be the big winners if that happens.

Are you seriously looking past everything going on with Republicans right now to predict what might happen in a world where the Republicans are some sort of cohesive structure?

Republican party is the one in the limelight right now, and discussion about the Democrat party potentially splitting up is completely irrelevant until we see what happens there.

eagle eye

Tell me how wrote:

Are you seriously looking past everything going on with Republicans right now to predict what might happen in a world where the Republicans are some sort of cohesive structure?

No I'm not looking past that and I know what will happen and that's Trump being kicked to the curb. There'll be no spilt.

Tell me how wrote:

Republican party is the one in the limelight right now, and discussion about the Democrat party potentially splitting up is completely irrelevant until we see what happens there.

I'm concerned about the Democrats, I don't care about the Republicans.
There is a growIng socialist side to the Democrats and it's clear that a
split will happen down the road if that side of the party keeps growing. I want that side gone from the party tbh.
I'm all for supporting the less well off in society but I still want the support for those working for themselves to exist. So I favour a right leaning centre party which is what the Democrats are imo.

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

No I'm not looking past that and I know what will happen and that's Trump being kicked to the curb. There'll be no spilt.


I'm concerned about the Democrats, I don't care about the Republicans.
There is a growIng socialist side to the Democrats and it's clear that a
split will happen down the road if that side of the party keeps growing. I want that side gone from the party tbh.
I'm all for supporting the less well off in society but I still want the support for those working for themselves to exist. So I favour a right leaning centre party which is what the Democrats are imo.

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1392203363379552259

I don't think any of us truly believe the GOP will split in a meaningful way, but its pure conjecture to hypothesize about the Democrats while all this is going on.

If what you want is a right leaning centrist party to emerge, then that is more likely to come from a GOP split with the likes of Cheney and Romney being involved than it is to be left over from the socialist wing of the Democratic party falling away. At least that is where all the evidence is at this point.

Leading left wing members of the Democratic party, Sanders and AOC seem very much to be moving in the direction of trying to work with the more conservative members of their own party to find a way to make progress then they are to split off to the side.

eagle eye

Tell me how wrote:

If what you want is a right leaning centrist party to emerge, then that is more likely to come from a GOP split.

You've lost your mind my friend.

pjohnson

Trump actually killing the Republican Party would be a hilarious cherry on top of his political career :pac:

Tell me how

eagle eye wrote: »

You've lost your mind my friend.

Maybe, but I am reacting to currently active events, you're projecting with little evidence.

duploelabs

pjohnson wrote: »

Trump actually killing the Republican Party would be a hilarious cherry on top of his political career :pac:

They already had an amuse bouche of the libertarian party