Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

eagle eye

extra gravy wrote:

You offered an opinion, no facts. Why don't you share this opinion with your "best friends" and see how they react.

I've stated facts. The majority shareholders, Presidents and Chairmen of the two most watched networks in the US are Jewish.
I've often talked about this stuff with my Jewish friends and there's never been any accusations of being anti-Semitic or even unhappiness from any of them while discussing it.

eagle eye

Brian? wrote:

Come on man, you can't seriously claim the "Jews control the media" isn't an anti Semitic myth.

What is anti-Semitic about stating facts?
I didn't say they were evil or doing anything wrong. I'm simply saying certain people who happen to be Jewish hold a lot of sway in the media and I'd suspect they wouldn't like the US criticising Israel.

duploelabs

eagle eye wrote: »

What is anti-Semitic about stating facts?
I didn't say they were evil or doing anything wrong. I'm simply saying certain people who happen to be Jewish hold a lot of sway in the media and I'd suspect they wouldn't like the US criticising Israel.

Citations for these facts would be great, particularly the 'fact' that you stated that the majority of shareholders are Jewish. Thanks

eagle eye

duploelabs wrote:

Citations for these facts would be great, particularly the 'fact' that you stated that the majority of shareholders are Jewish. Thanks

I didn't say majority of shareholders, I said the major shareholder as in one person in each company.
This is widely known, I've posted the names.
It's also widely known that NBC and CBS are the two most watched networks in the US.
Like these aren't some obscure facts.

duploelabs

eagle eye wrote: »

I didn't say majority of shareholders, I said the major shareholder as in one person in each company.
This is widely known, I've posted the names.
It's also widely known that NBC and CBS are the two most watched networks in the US.
Like these aren't some obscure facts.

You never cited anything to back up these claims, just because you stated them doesn't make them true in our eyes, so please back up your 'facts' to ensure credibility

eagle eye

duploelabs wrote:

You never cited anything to back up these claims, just because you stated them doesn't make them true in our eyes, so please back up your 'facts' to ensure credibility

If you are posting in US politics and claim to know your stuff then you should know all of this stuff.
If you don't know this stuff then you are a bluffer.

Faugheen

eagle eye wrote: »

If you are posting in US politics and claim to know your stuff then you should know all of this stuff.
If you don't know this stuff then you are a bluffer.

And if you make a claim then you are expected to back it up.

Otherwise people will believe you to be posting in bad faith.

eagle eye

Faugheen wrote:

And if you make a claim then you are expected to back it up.

Otherwise people will believe you to be posting in bad faith.

Why would I need to back up facts about two democrat supporters? Surely everybody here knows them.

MisterAnarchy

Brian? wrote: »

They don't. That's a myth.

No its not a myth.

Who controls most of Hollywood ?

The statement was

Don't forget how much control Jewish people have over media.

Its a very fair statement

Faugheen

eagle eye wrote: »

Why would I need to back up facts about two democrat supporters? Surely everybody here knows them.

You said the Jewish has control over the US media.

I would like that statement backed up in facts.

MisterAnarchy

Faugheen wrote: »

You said the Jewish has control over the US media.

He didnt

eagle eye

Faugheen wrote:

You said the Jewish has control over the US media.
I would like that statement backed up in facts.

So you don't know who the main man in NBC is or in CBS despite the fact they are Democrat supporters?
In other words you know very little about US politics?

MisterAnarchy

Its alarming the amount of people who think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them.

Overheal

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its alarming the amount of people who think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them.

Cut the crap. There’s shifting the burden of proof going on. Someone made a claim and refuses to substantiate it. This is an Irish current affairs forum not a US politics forum, and you still have your own burden of proof. What is said without evidence will be dismissed without evidence.

Suffice to say the US is not going to backtrack now on its support of Israel.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

Cut the crap. There’s shifting the burden of proof going on. Someone made a claim and refuses to substantiate it. This is an Irish current affairs forum not a US politics forum, and you still have your own burden of proof. What is said without evidence will be dismissed without evidence.

It's not crap though. I've been accused here of being anti-Semitic and if saying things I didn't say.
He's right about this group in here that firms and attacks posters who don't follow the rules they've set here.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

It's not crap though. I've been accused here of being anti-Semitic and if saying things I didn't say.
He's right about this group in here that firms and attacks posters who don't follow the rules they've set here.

You were also simply asked for your proof. You haven’t given any.

Either way the CEO of company X doesn’t need to be Jewish to prove Zionism, as was said earlier there is plenty of non Jewish support in the US for Zionism. I fail to see the constructive good of badgering on about Jews in the media or any other sector.

extra gravy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

No its not a myth.

Who controls most of Hollywood ?

Christ, just waiting for the ""Jews control the financial system" one now and we'll have the full house.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

You were also simply asked for your proof. You haven’t given any.


Either way the CEO of company X doesn’t need to be Jewish to prove Zionism, as was said earlier there is plenty of non Jewish support in the US for Zionism. I fail to see the constructive good of badgering on about Jews in the media or any other sector.

I never mentioned Zionism. Simple loyalty between fellow Jews isn't anything to do with that.
It's highly likely that a wealthy Jewish American has ties and even business interests that include people who reside in Israel.
Its not a wild conspiracy theory to suggest they like the US to support Israel.

I'll post all the proof you want as soon as you all post stating that you know very little about US politics.
If you did know a lot about it I wouldn't have to post proof.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

I never mentioned Zionism. Simple loyalty between fellow Jews isn't anything to do with that.
It's highly likely that a wealthy Jewish American has ties and even business interests that include people who reside in Israel.
Its not a wild conspiracy theory to suggest they like the US to support Israel.

I'll post all the proof you want as soon as you all post stating that you know very little about US politics.
If you did know a lot about it I wouldn't have to post proof.

Shifting the burden of proof is a logical fallacy. Proof of statement: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof

Related: Alan Dershowitz slams Bernie Sanders as a self hating jew for criticizing Israel

Proof: https://www.businessinsider.com/alan-dershowitz-bernie-sanders-a-self-hating-jew-israel-palestine-2021-5

Conclusion: it is insufficient to merely imply that being Jewish confers a loyalty to Israel.

Now you try.

Brian?

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its alarming the amount of people who think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them.

It's alarming that you've doubled down on the myth by bringing Hollywood into it.

Overheal

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its alarming the amount of people who think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them.

And yet that is precisely and apparently the entire flipping point of arguing that Jews running the media have bad motives.

Pull another.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

Conclusion: it is insufficient to merely imply that being Jewish confers a loyalty to Israel.

I never said being Jewish confers a loyalty to Israel.
Another one making things up.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

I never said being Jewish confers a loyalty to Israel.
Another one making things up.

Well then what even is your point? Be so good as to clarify, this is a discussion after all.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Why would I need to back up facts about two democrat supporters? Surely everybody here knows them.

What do you have as evidence that the chairman of Viacom only endorse/donates to democrats?

Brian?

Brian? wrote: »

It's alarming that you've doubled down on the myth by bringing Hollywood into it.

It really isn't

Overheal

CNN grills IDF on its lack of evidence to support it's claims

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/can-you-show-us-the-evidence-cnns-stelter-confronts-idf-spokesman-for-proof-hamas-operated-out-of-gaza-building-hit-by-airstrike/

CNN is run by CEO Jeff Zucker, a Jewish American. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Zucker

Seems to illustrate against the arguments being made about the Jewish media.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

Well then what even is your point? Be so good as to clarify, this is a discussion after all.

You don't have to be loyal to Israel to want the US to support them. If you have friends or business interests there that's a good enough reason.
I don't see anything wrong with that either.
We don't live in a perfect world and never will. Look who was potus up to January, look at the pandemic we are dealing with, look at Trump's deceased pal Epstein. There's a lot if horrible people and things out there.
Simply wanting the country you reside in to support a country where you have friends or business interests isn't a big deal to me.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

You don't have to be loyal to Israel to want the US to support them. If you have friends or business interests there that's a good enough reason.
I don't see anything wrong with that either.
We don't live in a perfect world and never will. Look who was potus up to January, look at the pandemic we are dealing with, look at Trump's deceased pal Epstein. There's a lot if horrible people and things out there.
Simply wanting the country you reside in to support a country where you have friends or business interests isn't a big deal to me.

So nebulous conspiracy theory type bs? Arguing that people who are not here to defend themselves are running the media pro-israel because it's profitable?

If so that discussion belongs here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Overheal

Eagle Eye wrote: »

How little you know.
Ted Turner owns CNN.

Does he now. Proof of that please. What percentage share? What is his role on the board of directors?

I saw you quickly deleted that - probably wouldn't have said it in error if you had bothered to check your proof first. Does this mean you don't know about US Politics, going by your prior logic?

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

How little you know.
Ted Turner owns CNN.

And Ted Turner has openly criticized Israel on their policy towards Palestine... Going back to the fact that being Jewish does not mean you support the actions of the state of Israel.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/jun/18/terrorismandthemedia.israel