Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Overheal

SexBobomb wrote: »

Criticism of Biden’s Covid relief plan says it breaks promise of $2000 stimulus checks. -CNBC

Apparently instead of sending out a $2,000 cheque as promised they are sending $1400 and saying that combined with a previous $600 payment already sent, makes up the $2000 that was promised. Not a lot of money to us maybe but to people who have received next to no government support it very well could be. Drawing criticism from Aoc even. For what that's worth.

"..their election will put an end to that block in Washington of that 2,000 dollar stimulus cheque, that money that will go out the door immediately to people who are in real trouble.."

I've been very glad I live here, not there, since the pandemic started.

"The $600 payments have already started being distributed, so it's unclear whether Biden would seek additional $1,400 payments or an additional $2,000." (January 5)

I can see while people feel jerked around though. Clearly though he never said $2600. "The debate about $2000 in Washington" referring to the late december skirmish between Trump, House Dems and the Senate GOP after Trump urged $2000 checks but signed on $600.

Christy42

Overheal wrote: »

"The $600 payments have already started being distributed, so it's unclear whether Biden would seek additional $1,400 payments or an additional $2,000." (January 5)

I can see while people feel jerked around though. Clearly though he never said $2600. "The debate about $2000 in Washington" referring to the late december skirmish between Trump, House Dems and the Senate GOP after Trump urged $2000 checks but signed on $600.

You can make an argument it should be 2600 but that really seems like another.

The big debate was 600 vs 2k. Not 600 and 2k plus 600. I thought that part was pretty clear that 2k total is what was promised.

Still it isn't a lot for people who have been struggling for months so 2600 might not have been a bad idea to give them a bit more relief.

dwayneshintzy

WrenBoy wrote: »

$600 + $2000 =$2600 was what was expected, not playing shell games with people during a pandemic.

I'd agree with this. All throughout the Georgian senate race, it was talked about as a $2000 check that was on the ballot. Yes, it can be argued that $2000 total is what was actually gonna be offered. But the messaging, time and again, was about "$2000 checks". A $1400 check is not a $2000 check.

Overheal

Really trying to get blood out of a stone on conservative networks.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1354051965634793473?s=20

In what may be the silliest outrage I've seen on Fox since Mustardgate, Ingraham spent almost 3 and half minutes of a 5 minute segment complaining about the brief coverage that the First Dogs, Champ and Major got over the weekend, as well as fuming indignation over press secretary Psaki fielding a question briefly about the First Cat in a weekend response video. The remaining balance of time was spent complaining about the Biden's getting bagels after attending Mass, and taking jabs at his Catholic faith. Conservative watchdog newsbusters also ran 3 different articles complaining about the First Cat, Ice Cream, and of course the dogs, most of which was <<triggered>>> by a 40 second seque on CNN, where John Berman mentioned the dogs briefly and then mocked what would end up, in essence, being the conservative media response:

John Berman, CNN wrote:

Now, we're also hearing Republicans have launched an investigation into the dogs. Susan Collins, we're told, is concerned, and Tucker Carlson is devoting 15 minutes a night to saying the dogs represent cancel culture, because it obscures a discussion that he so desperately wants about cats.

Life indeed imitated art. The right wing media need to get a grip of themselves.

Professor Moriarty

Overheal wrote: »

Really trying to get blood out of a stone on conservative networks.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1354051965634793473?s=20

In what may be the silliest outrage I've seen on Fox since Mustardgate, Ingraham spent almost 3 and half minutes of a 5 minute segment complaining about the brief coverage that the First Dogs, Champ and Major got over the weekend, as well as fuming indignation over press secretary Psaki fielding a question briefly about the First Cat in a weekend response video. The remaining balance of time was spent complaining about the Biden's getting bagels after attending Mass, and taking jabs at his Catholic faith. Conservative watchdog newsbusters also ran 3 different articles complaining about the First Cat, Ice Cream, and of course the dogs, most of which was <<triggered>>> by a 40 second seque on CNN, where John Berman mentioned the dogs briefly and then mocked what would end up, in essence, being the conservative media response:



Life indeed imitated art. The right wing media need to get a grip of themselves.

This is why Britain and the US are both fcuked. Binary electoral systems dominated by polarised media especially the right-wing media. No shame, no principles. Fourth estate my arse. Click bait.

namloc1980

WrenBoy wrote: »

$600 + $2000 =$2600 was what was expected, not playing shell games with people during a pandemic.

$2,600 was never mentioned anywhere that I saw. The Republicans blocked $2,000 cheques and only agreed to $600 - the incoming Biden administration said they wanted $2,000 all along, never mentioned $2,600.

dwayneshintzy

namloc1980 wrote: »

$2,600 was never mentioned anywhere that I saw. The Republicans blocked $2,000 cheques and only agreed to $600 - the incoming Biden administration said they wanted $2,000 all along, never mentioned $2,600.

No, it wasn't. But the message was that $2000 checks would be going out, that that was what was on the ballot in Georgia, etc. There was no clarification that actually, it would be raising the $600 that had already gone out to $2000, by issuing an additional $1400 check.


Ossoff himself Tweeted "$2000 checks now" in December, after $600 had already been approved and were starting to go out. So the checks people will be receiving are $1400, not $2000. I just think it's something that was such an obvious, no-brainer good thing to send out $2000 checks. And instead, it's become an issue of messaging where Democrats are having to explain themselves and (appear at least) to be backtracking.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Overheal wrote: »

Really trying to get blood out of a stone on conservative networks.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1354051965634793473?s=20

In what may be the silliest outrage I've seen on Fox since Mustardgate, Ingraham spent almost 3 and half minutes of a 5 minute segment complaining about the brief coverage that the First Dogs, Champ and Major got over the weekend, as well as fuming indignation over press secretary Psaki fielding a question briefly about the First Cat in a weekend response video. The remaining balance of time was spent complaining about the Biden's getting bagels after attending Mass, and taking jabs at his Catholic faith. Conservative watchdog newsbusters also ran 3 different articles complaining about the First Cat, Ice Cream, and of course the dogs, most of which was <<triggered>>> by a 40 second seque on CNN, where John Berman mentioned the dogs briefly and then mocked what would end up, in essence, being the conservative media response:



Life indeed imitated art. The right wing media need to get a grip of themselves.

And THAT is why you will never have a united America. Just. Not. Possible.

(And before anyone jumps in with "left wing/liberal media" crap, show me an interview where someone asks, "Prseident Biden, you're gettig the credit you deserve, how do you feel?" and we'll talk)

Foxtrol

The complaints about the $2000 or $2600 difference or the rolling out of the over doubling of the minimum wage over a few years rather than instantly is exactly why the left of the Dems is at times so toxic and damaging.

Rather than accepting the 'good' and taking a victory lap, focusing on getting it through, or moving on to the next issue they instead make a huge deal about it not being 'perfect'.

Tell me how

Foxtrol wrote: »

The complaints about the $2000 or $2600 difference or the rolling out of the over doubling of the minimum wage over a few years rather than instantly is exactly why the left of the Dems is at times so toxic and damaging.

Rather than accepting the 'good' and taking a victory lap, focusing on getting it through, or moving on to the next issue they instead make a huge deal about it not being 'perfect'.

Well, if they are not going to advocate for as much in support payments as possible at a time when a pandemic is approaching 12 months and when they have control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency, then when are they going to.

I understand what you are saying, but also think there needs to be a strong left voice continually to try to achieve as much as possible. Social payments are one thing but the discussion on climate, healthcare, education costs, etc all need strong advocates and the only place those strong advocates are located is on the left.

astrofool

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, if they are not going to advocate for as much in support payments as possible at a time when a pandemic is approaching 12 months and when they have control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency, then when are they going to.

I understand what you are saying, but also think there needs to be a strong left voice continually to try to achieve as much as possible. Social payments are one thing but the discussion on climate, healthcare, education costs, etc all need strong advocates and the only place those strong advocates are located is on the left.

I think precisely because of the thin margins of that control, it's a mistake they keep making, veer left, and lose control, baby steps are required to even get back to more centrist policies.

Foxtrol

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, if they are not going to advocate for as much in support payments as possible at a time when a pandemic is approaching 12 months and when they have control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency, then when are they going to.

I understand what you are saying, but also think there needs to be a strong left voice continually to try to achieve as much as possible. Social payments are one thing but the discussion on climate, healthcare, education costs, etc all need strong advocates and the only place those strong advocates are located is on the left.

Agree that there definitely needs to be a strong left voice but the current left voice doesn't seem to be able to take a win. A decent proportion are acting like not getting everything they wanted is akin to getting nothing they wanted and having Trump there.

It makes things messy now and by mid-terms it'll be toxic. It'll be so much harder to run on actual victories when a decent chunk of the party along with the GOP are acting like they are actually defeats.

For example, the minimum wage hasn't been increased in more than a decade and people are complaining that Biden is pushing to more than double it over a 4 year period (along with tying it to a benchmark so it will continue to increase). It is utter stupidity to try to paint that as being anything but a great thing.

listermint

The folks that are giving out about 2600 on this thread would be absolutely loosing their minds if that much was handed out so I'm confused why the outrage. Outrage if they did outrage if they didn't.

Just outrage for outrage sake.

Sweetemotion

100,000 America citizens predicted to die in the first month under the Biden regime.

Cuts the $2,000 stimulus to $1,600.

Wants to send $4,000,000,000 of Americans hard earned taxes to other countries.

Lied about having a plan to defeat covid.

ohnonotgmail

Mayabe this has been lost in the noise since the inauguration but did Trump leave Biden a letter as is tradition?

Sweetemotion

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Mayabe this has been lost in the noise since the inauguration but did Trump leave Biden a letter as is tradition?

I believe he did, no idea what it said.

Tippex

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Mayabe this has been lost in the noise since the inauguration but did Trump leave Biden a letter as is tradition?

Yep he did Biden said he would not make the contents of it public without speaking to Trump first and getting agreement from him.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

100,000 America citizens predicted to die in the first month under the Biden regime.

Because there is now a more transmissible strain spreading. Biden has created a taskforce and signed many executive orders to tackle it. Trump went golfing.

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Cuts the $2,000 stimulus to $1,600.

It was always $1,600 $1,400 ($2,000 total).

https://www.businessinsider.com/house-passes-bill-to-increase-600-stimulus-checks-to-2000-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Wants to send $4,000,000,000 of Americans hard earned taxes to other countries.

$4 billion in foreign aid? How dare he!

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Lied about having a plan to defeat covid.

Oh no someone must have hacked his website! :eek:
https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

Got any more nonsense for us?

Cody montana

Deleted User wrote: »

Because there is now a more transmissible strain spreading. Biden has created a taskforce and signed many executive orders to tackle it. Trump went golfing.



It was always $1,600 ($2,000 total).

https://www.businessinsider.com/house-passes-bill-to-increase-600-stimulus-checks-to-2000-2020-12?r=US&IR=T



$4 billion in foreign aid? How dare he!



Oh no someone must have hacked his website! :eek:
https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

Got any more nonsense for us?

There will be plenty more nonsense to come.

I'm kind of enjoying the re-emergence of the Trump supporters.
They all disappeared in November.

Biden will hopefully defeat the virus, thus opening up the country and getting people employed again.
I must say he's been proactive.....and normal.
Such a refreshing change.

rosser44

Sweetemotion wrote: »

100,000 America citizens predicted to die in the first month under the Biden regime.

Cuts the $2,000 stimulus to $1,600.

Wants to send $4,000,000,000 of Americans hard earned taxes to other countries.

Lied about having a plan to defeat covid.

this is excellent. The total lack of shame is a sight to behold

Carfacemandog

rosser44 wrote: »

this is excellent. The total lack of shame is a sight to behold

I hope people learned their lesson over the last few years about taking these people in any way at face value, or as any anything other than concern trolls with no interest whatsoever in the things they pretended to up until January 20th, 2017 and are now pretending to as of January 20th, 2021.

Mockery and derision is all they deserve.

Professor Moriarty

Tippex wrote: »

Yep he did Biden said he would not make the contents of it public without speaking to Trump first and getting agreement from him.

Biden described the letter as "generous".

Sweetemotion

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Mockery and derision is all they deserve.

You can mock me all you like, I feel empathy for you.

Cody montana

Cody montana wrote: »

I must say he's been proactive.....and normal.
Such a refreshing change.

They called him sleepy Joe but he's done more work in less than a week than the last guy did in four years.

Overheal

Sharp as a tack

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1354149156001034240?s=21

Lovey the doucey bromance developing

Sweetemotion

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They called him sleepy Joe but he's done more work in less than a week than the last guy did in four years.

"I don't know what I'm signing"

Just sign here.

Specifically against the warning in the OP - you are now thread banned

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

"I don't know what I'm signing"

Just sign here.

Hilarious.

extra gravy

Sweetemotion wrote: »

"I don't know what I'm signing"

Just sign here.

You need new material. So boring.

Timberrrrrrrr

Sweetemotion wrote: »

"I don't know what I'm signing"

Just sign here.

"They rammed the ramparts, they took over the airports" :pac:

Overheal

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

"They rammed the ramparts, they took over the airports" :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

Fùck you Dan Diego:D

Carfacemandog

While I'm sure we're all terribly sad to see that this thread just got a little less empathetic, it might bring some cheer to learn that the executive orders included directing the DOJ to not renew contracts with private prisons.

dwayneshintzy

listermint wrote: »

The folks that are giving out about 2600 on this thread would be absolutely loosing their minds if that much was handed out so I'm confused why the outrage. Outrage if they did outrage if they didn't.

Just outrage for outrage sake.

That is 100% not true in my case, just have a look at my post history.

Manic Moran

Foxtrol wrote: »

For example, the minimum wage hasn't been increased in more than a decade and people are complaining that Biden is pushing to more than double it over a 4 year period (along with tying it to a benchmark so it will continue to increase). It is utter stupidity to try to paint that as being anything but a great thing.

Why does the Federal government even need to get involved? States are quite capable of setting their own minimum wages. Indeed, 45 of them have done so.
The five which haven’t (AL, LA, TN, MI, SC) aren’t exactly famous for high costs of living. A federal minimum wage law will either do little for Hawaii, or be overkill for North Dakota. Let the states sort themselves out, that’s why they have legislatures.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Biden described the letter as "generous".

Apparently Trump was very moved by the letter Obama left him, to the point that he tried to call the Ex-president as soon as he read it. (Obama was still in the air, he had to leave a message). The concept seems to have resonated with him. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/20/politics/trump-letter-to-biden/index.html

francois

Sweetemotion wrote: »

100,000 America citizens predicted to die in the first month under the Biden regime.

Cuts the $2,000 stimulus to $1,600.

Wants to send $4,000,000,000 of Americans hard earned taxes to other countries.

Lied about having a plan to defeat covid.

It must be so tiring being you, searching for your daily dose manufactured outrage.

Christy42

Manic Moran wrote: »

Why does the Federal government even need to get involved? States are quite capable of setting their own minimum wages. Indeed, 45 of them have done so.
The five which haven’t (AL, LA, TN, MI, SC) aren’t exactly famous for high costs of living. A federal minimum wage law will either do little for Hawaii, or be overkill for North Dakota. Let the states sort themselves out, that’s why they have legislatures.



Apparently Trump was very moved by the letter Obama left him, to the point that he tried to call the Ex-president as soon as he read it. (Obama was still in the air, he had to leave a message). The concept seems to have resonated with him. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/20/politics/trump-letter-to-biden/index.html

Well the states obviously didn't sort it out, wealth inequality is increasing everywhere but skyrocketing in the US. A state can still set a higher minimum wages AFAIK if that isn't enough for Hawaii. It does show leadership and that these subjects are politically popular if a federal government does it and it gets a good response which would help states pass their own specific measures.

That or Biden didn't want to generate headlines and seem petty. You have to wonder how generous Trump was to the man he believes stole the election from him.

WrenBoy

francois wrote: »

It must be so tiring being you, searching for your daily dose manufactured outrage.

Positive stories only in the President Biden thread !

Leroy42

WrenBoy wrote: »

Positive stories only in the President Biden thread !

So far, yes. What negative stories do you feel are not being covered?

I think he is doing a decent job so far, particularly given that the previous POTUS actually went out of his way to be as unhelpful as possible to the incoming administration.

And that is something that seems to have been forgotten in all of this. Trump actively tried to sabotage Bidens start as POTUS. putting his own hurt feelings ahead of the needs of the nation.

Not for him a smooth transition of power, no helpful handover. No, he much preferred to leave everything up in the air so that the 1st task of Biden was to try to work out what the hell was actually going on.

That he has been able to come out any policies at all is testament to how prepared he really was.

CtevenSrowder

francois wrote: »

It must be so tiring being you, searching for your daily dose manufactured outrage.

Where you alive for the 4 years of the Trump administration? It was 4 years of manufactured outrage, likewise Obama. Welcome to American politics.

Leroy42

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Where you alive for the 4 years of the Trump administration? It was 4 years of manufactured outrage, likewise Obama. Welcome to American politics.

Manufactured outrage? You mean you don't recall anything during the Teummp administration that should have led to questions being raised?

It started, off with not only a lie about crowd sie, but a demand that the crows size was being weaponised by the fake news. We then had the POTUS siding with eh Russian President over his own military. Then then led to the POTUS having no issue with the same Russian President putting bouties on American military personnel.

We had countless examples of Trump trying to bully, belittle and slag off anyone that raised a question against him.

He lied about Stormy Daniels affair, lied about the payment, lied about his knowledge.

And that is just off the top of my head.

CtevenSrowder

Leroy42 wrote: »

Manufactured outrage? You mean you don't recall anything during the Teummp administration that should have led to questions being raised?

It started, off with not only a lie about crowd sie, but a demand that the crows size was being weaponised by the fake news. We then had the POTUS siding with eh Russian President over his own military. Then then led to the POTUS having no issue with the same Russian President putting bouties on American military personnel.

We had countless examples of Trump trying to bully, belittle and slag off anyone that raised a question against him.

He lied about Stormy Daniels affair, lied about the payment, lied about his knowledge.

And that is just off the top of my head.

Most of which is of total irrelevance. Boohoo he lied about a crowd size and sleeping with a pornstar. There is nothing to be outraged about there at all, hence it's manufactured outrage.

Most of the legitimate 'outrage' happened in the final few months with him trying to undermine the election results and not doing a lot about the taking over of capitol hill. Most of the outrage aimed at Trump was complete fluff, were everything and anything was used to paint in a bad light. it's already begun with Biden.

The only difference now is it is the guy that you like that will be the 'victim' of it so to speak.

Leroy42

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Most of which is of total irrelevance. Boohoo he lied about a crowd size and sleeping with a pornstar. There is nothing to be outraged about there at all, hence it's manufactured outrage.

Most of the legitimate 'outrage' happened in the final few months with him trying to undermine the election results and not doing a lot about the taking over of capitol hill. Most of the outrage aimed at Trump was complete fluff, were everything and anything was used to paint in a bad light. it's already begun with Biden.

The only difference now is it is the guy that you like that will be the 'victim' of it so to speak.

You don't think that a POTUS openly lying, and calling those that call him on it as Fake and the Enemy of the people is worthy of outrage?

It isn't the crowd size, or the porn star to be outraged over, it is the lying and attacks on those that were involved.

Trump painted himself in a bad light. Good people on both sides after a neo nazi march! You think that should just have been let slide?

Giving security secrets to the Russians and barring the US press from the WH but allowing the Russian press in?

Lieing about the call to the Ukraine, even going as far as to hide the transcript, you think that didn't deserve some level of outrage?

Most people could see that by accepting his lies one was allowing him to go further the next time. We know this because we practise it in almost every other situation. We know kids will push boundaries until they are called up on it. we know criminals will do more and more unless they are held to account. Anyone paying attention could see the trajectory Trump was on, the only surprise was that so many allowed him to get away with everything.

12gauge dave

Former vice chair of the DNC and 2020 Democrat presidential candidate with some interesting words.


Tulsi Gabbard &#55356;&#57146; (@TulsiGabbard) Tweeted:
We must unite to protect our Constitution & stand up to the likes of Brennan, Schiff & Big Tech who are trying to take away our civil liberties & undermine our Constitution. If our leaders fail to denounce & stop them now, then the country we love & cherish will no longer exist. https://t.co/hEMm5Ej3ia https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1354368614837575683?s=20

ohnonotgmail

Leroy42 wrote: »

You don't think that a POTUS openly lying, and calling those that call him on it as Fake and the Enemy of the people is worthy of outrage?

It isn't the crowd size, or the porn star to be outraged over, it is the lying and attacks on those that were involved.

Trump painted himself in a bad light. Good people on both sides after a neo nazi march! You think that should just have been let slide?

Giving security secrets to the Russians and barring the US press from the WH but allowing the Russian press in?

Lieing about the call to the Ukraine, even going as far as to hide the transcript, you think that didn't deserve some level of outrage?

If Biden does 1/10th of the lying that trump did the trump supporters will be screaming the place down.

Timberrrrrrrr

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If Biden does 1/10th of the lying that trump did the trump supporters will be screaming the place down.

Well if him owning a Rolex and having a pelaton bike has caused this much outrage and Pearl clutching I can only imagine the screaming from them if something serious does ever happen.

duploelabs

12gauge dave wrote: »

Former vice chair of the DNC and 2020 Democrat presidential candidate with some interesting words.


Tulsi Gabbard �� (@TulsiGabbard) Tweeted:
We must unite to protect our Constitution & stand up to the likes of Brennan, Schiff & Big Tech who are trying to take away our civil liberties & undermine our Constitution. If our leaders fail to denounce & stop them now, then the country we love & cherish will no longer exist. https://t.co/hEMm5Ej3ia https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1354368614837575683?s=20

Would it be fair to call Tulsi Gabbard a Dino?

flazio

Let me flip this around Fog Hat. Do you believe, on Boards, we should have the right to object to the existence of The United States of America in whatever guise it takes and why would we do that?

RandRuns

Leroy42 wrote: »

a demand that the crows size was being weaponised

Wait, they're using giant crows as weapons now?

My God, why is this not front page news?

TomTomTim

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Fog Hat, I see you only joined the website today. The reason Sweetemotion was banned only just yesterday was due to pushing baseless claims on Biden having dementia, which people had been warned about for a long time, and which mods did not start banning people for until repeated warnings were given.

When did this standard come in? It seems very arbitrary, especially when the claim in question is a matter of subjectivity. Was anyone ever banned for pushing false information about Trump?

Foxtrol

Manic Moran wrote: »

Why does the Federal government even need to get involved? States are quite capable of setting their own minimum wages. Indeed, 45 of them have done so.
The five which haven’t (AL, LA, TN, MI, SC) aren’t exactly famous for high costs of living. A federal minimum wage law will either do little for Hawaii, or be overkill for North Dakota. Let the states sort themselves out, that’s why they have legislatures.

At its simplest because many States are doing a terrible job at it, causing people to live below the poverty line even when they have one or two jobs - many times these people end up receiving federal money to fill this gap.

This seems like the standard cry of most conservatives - wanting things left to the states right until it serves their interests to say the opposite and then they want the federal government or courts interfere to support their beliefs.

I'll reverse it to you and ask why should my federal taxes be going to support people in red states that are in employment but their states aren't ensuring that they are receiving a living wage for their work?