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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,918 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Zak Hudak (@cbszak) Tweeted:
    A second police officer has committed suicide after responding to the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Officer Jeffrey Smith took his own life, the acting DC MPD chief told the House Appropriations Cmte yesterday, per his prepared remarks https://twitter.com/cbszak/status/1354465078343585798?s=20

    Right wing or left wing I think we can all agree this is sad news and shows how bad it must of been during those Capitol riots.

    What's curious is why - was he on duty? Taking selfies with insurrectionists? Very little information about this poor fellow and what might've driven him to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Thanks President Trump, Senator Cruz & Co icon14.png


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I don't know how the fans of sexualised hair sniffing videos missed this. Maybe they were spending too much time watching other weird shít during their edging sessions. Maybe they're still hanging out in communities that don't think beyond internet memes. Who knows.

    Anyway, while I was hanging around the grown-up media, I found out that Biden's nominee the the UN is not too fond of BDS. This bothers me a bit because I think that there are just as strong grounds for boycotting Israel as there were to South Africa all those years ago. Even if one doesn't agree that they should be boycotted, a boycott is ultimately just a form of free expression and protest. I know that this attitude is business as usual for the US but it's still disappointing.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-bds-verges-on-antisemitism-biden-s-pick-for-un-envoy-says-1.9488357


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I don't know how the fans of sexualised hair sniffing videos missed this. Maybe they were spending too much time watching other weird shít during their edging sessions. Maybe they're still hanging out in communities that don't think beyond internet memes. Who knows.

    Anyway, while I was hanging around the grown-up media, I found out that Biden's nominee the the UN is not too fond of BDS. This bothers me a bit because I think that there are just as strong grounds for boycotting Israel as there were to South Africa all those years ago. Even if one doesn't agree that they should be boycotted, a boycott is ultimately just a form of free expression and protest. I know that this attitude is business as usual for the US but it's still disappointing.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-bds-verges-on-antisemitism-biden-s-pick-for-un-envoy-says-1.9488357

    Are the Republicans fond of the BDS movement? I only ask this because I don't recall you mentioning them.before, especially when they tried to stop BDS movements on campuses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Jesus Christ.

    I actually think she makes Trump look human. Horrific person.

    However of course, nothing will be done about it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,478 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Where are you getting those numbers? From a quick google the two top sources I'm getting show that California has a slightly less reliance than Texas on federal money compared to what they put into the federal level. Both are net contributors to other states so I don't see the problem.

    Always go the the source, you get the raw data without whatever assessments are being made by intermediary sites. In this case, the government budgets online.

    https://dof.ca.gov/budget/summary_schedules_charts/documents/CHART-C-1.pdf
    California. State budget, about 330bn, of which some 107 is federal. Population 40mn. $2675 federal dollars per person.

    https://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Documents/Appropriations_Bills/86/LBB_Recommended_House/5492_House_LBE_Bill_Summary.pdf
    Texas. State budget, about $250bn for two years, of which $87bn is federal. (Texas legislature meets every other year for two months, they are not professional politicians. Keeps costs down, and politics local) So about $125bn/year, of which $43.5bn is fed. Population 29mn, gives $1,500 federal dollars per person.

    CA may well be sending in slightly more dollars per person to the Feds than TX they have higher pay scales to compensate for the higher costs of living.

    You will note that if you look at #50 on that list, Montana, the State receives about $3bn in federal aid, on a (in that year) 7bn budget, at $2,900 per person (1.1mn population), it’s not ungodly far off the amount the Feds give California. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Publications/fiscal/2021-Interim/Jan-2020/Federal-Funds-Risk-FINAL.pdf

    However, the point here is that the point of the State budget is to serve the needs of the State. Whatever the purposes the Federal government is giving money for to benefit the Union, State budgets -should- be paid for by State taxes. The significant “legitimate” federal pass through to State budget, outside of Medicare and the like which is a national program and passed through the state, is infrastructure like federal road building, like Interstates, which generally aids citizens in the States other than the one in which they are being made. Californians likely make more use of Kansas interstate system than Kansans do, for example. All those goods being shipped over. Everything else should be sorted out internally. The drill-down on what the federal money is being spent on is also at those links if you want to look.
    The biggest take away is that 9 of the top 10 states that are reliant on the federal government are deep Red states, most controlled by the GOP for decades. They are the guy that has spent his whole life on the dole but then call others 'welfare queens'.

    True. Yet you will also see on the second link that #48 and #47 are Utah and Kansas. Blood red Idaho rates right next to California. (33 vs 34). #1, Montana, has only just returned the governorship to the GOP in the last election, being a Democrat governor for two decades (GOP House, but the governor still proposes and signs offJ. Obviously mere GOP control is not the defining factor, or even just how “conservative” the GOP controllers are. There is something else at play. It could be a matter of the nature of the expenditures which are being passed through, it could just be that some States are simply badly run. It could be a combination.

    Either way, though, the question remains. Why is a third of a typical State budget, with a nation-sized economy, provided by outside sources? Drop the anything not directly related to federal purposes. Could lower federal tax as a result. If it means raising State taxes to cover the costs incurred by the State no longer provided by the Feds, why is this a bad thing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,994 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Always go the the source, you get the raw data without whatever assessments are being made by intermediary sites. In this case, the government budgets online.

    https://dof.ca.gov/budget/summary_schedules_charts/documents/CHART-C-1.pdf
    California. State budget, about 330bn, of which some 107 is federal. Population 40mn. $2675 federal dollars per person.

    https://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Documents/Appropriations_Bills/86/LBB_Recommended_House/5492_House_LBE_Bill_Summary.pdf
    Texas. State budget, about $250bn for two years, of which $87bn is federal. (Texas legislature meets every other year for two months, they are not professional politicians. Keeps costs down, and politics local) So about $125bn/year, of which $43.5bn is fed. Population 29mn, gives $1,500 federal dollars per person.

    CA may well be sending in slightly more dollars per person to the Feds than TX they have higher pay scales to compensate for the higher costs of living.

    You will note that if you look at #50 on that list, Montana, the State receives about $3bn in federal aid, on a (in that year) 7bn budget, at $2,900 per person (1.1mn population), it’s not ungodly far off the amount the Feds give California. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Publications/fiscal/2021-Interim/Jan-2020/Federal-Funds-Risk-FINAL.pdf

    However, the point here is that the point of the State budget is to serve the needs of the State. Whatever the purposes the Federal government is giving money for to benefit the Union, State budgets -should- be paid for by State taxes. The significant “legitimate” federal pass through to State budget, outside of Medicare and the like which is a national program and passed through the state, is infrastructure like federal road building, like Interstates, which generally aids citizens in the States other than the one in which they are being made. Californians likely make more use of Kansas interstate system than Kansans do, for example. All those goods being shipped over. Everything else should be sorted out internally. The drill-down on what the federal money is being spent on is also at those links if you want to look.



    True. Yet you will also see on the second link that #48 and #47 are Utah and Kansas. Blood red Idaho rates right next to California. (33 vs 34). #1, Montana, has only just returned the governorship to the GOP in the last election, being a Democrat governor for two decades (GOP House, but the governor still proposes and signs offJ. Obviously mere GOP control is not the defining factor, or even just how “conservative” the GOP controllers are. There is something else at play. It could be a matter of the nature of the expenditures which are being passed through, it could just be that some States are simply badly run. It could be a combination.

    Either way, though, the question remains. Why is a third of a typical State budget, with a nation-sized economy, provided by outside sources? Drop the anything not directly related to federal purposes. Could lower federal tax as a result. If it means raising State taxes to cover the costs incurred by the State no longer provided by the Feds, why is this a bad thing?

    Why is it a bad thing having it coming from a federal source?

    America, probably more so than any other, has a population completely enamoured by 'The Flag' and 'the country'. Why are so many people who would be most vocal in this respect, also often the most vocal in terms of against the idea of an overarching entity.

    I understand the argument around distance from Washington, disconnect, local taxes for local services etc but also I think consistency and oversight at a national level is overall more advantageous than not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Why is it a bad thing having it coming from a federal source?

    America, probably more so than any other, has a population completely enamoured by 'The Flag' and 'the country'. Why are so many people who would be most vocal in this respect, also often the most vocal in terms of against the idea of an overarching entity.

    I understand the argument around distance from Washington, disconnect, local taxes for local services etc but also I think consistency and oversight at a national level is overall more advantageous than not.

    Flag and country is merely a banner. A calling cry. Underneath that calling cry is 'Everyone out for themselves look after number one' the country was founded by people raging across the land planting down stakes and claiming other people's land as theirs. That sense has prevailed today. The flag is the only unity they have left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Billy Mays wrote: »

    That woman is an unmitigated idiot of the highest order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Billy Mays wrote: »

    It is very easy to just dismiss someone like that as an idiot. Which takes all of the fun out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    It is very easy to just dismiss someone like that as an idiot. Which takes all of the fun out of it.

    You have to call it as you see it. Perhaps she could be elevated to the ranks of useful idiots. A lightning rod for derision.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    That woman is an unmitigated idiot of the highest order.

    So what's the list now for Greene now?

    - QAnon and Pizzagate true believer.
    - Las Vegas shooting was a false flag operation.
    - 2017 White Supremacist Unite the Right rally was an "inside job".
    - Seth Rich was murdered by MS13 on behalf of Obama.
    - Claims no video evidence of plane hitting the pentagon on 9/11 exists, despite its existence.
    - Anti masker getting into screaming matches over not wearing a mask into Congress
    - Harrassing school shooting survivors as "actors" in false flag operations.
    - "White genocide" believer.
    - Has endorsed murdering democrat politicians for a few years now.
    - Big stop the steal/storm the Capitol supporter.
    - Wildfires are caused by secret Jewish space lasers.

    How many of the 261 Republicans in Congress have denounced her? Surely at least a few, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    So what's the list now?

    - QAnon and Pizzagate true believer.
    - Las Vegas shooting was a false flag operation.
    - 2017 White Supremacist U ited the Right rally was an "inside job".
    - Seth Rich was murdered by MS13 on behalf of Obama.
    - Claims no video evidence of plane hitting the pentagon on 9/11 exists, despite its existence.
    - Anti maker getting into screaming matches with security over not wearing a mask into Congress
    - Harrassing school shooting survivors as "actors" in false flag operations.
    - "White genocide" believer.
    - Has endorsed murdering democrat politicians for a few years now.
    - Big stop the steal/storm the Capitol supporter.
    - Wildfires are caused by secret Jewish space lasers.

    How many of the 261 Republicans in Congress have denounced her? Surely at least a few, right?

    But that's my point. The likes of Kevin McCarthy can cosy up to Trump again without getting too much flak. Cruz and his buddies can slink away from the Capitol mess. The rest of the GOP can stay schtum about Proud Boys/Oath Keepers/QAnon. Why? Because there is a rabid little dog in the corner yapping away frantically about all of these far right theories. She's a lightning rod for the GOP. A useful idiot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    But that's my point. The likes of Kevin McCarthy can cosy up to Trump again without getting too much flak. Cruz and his buddies can slink away from the Capitol mess. The rest of the GOP can stay schtum about Proud Boys/Oath Keepers/QAnon. Why? Because there is a rabid little dog in the corner yapping away frantically about all of these far right theories. She's a lightning rod for the GOP. A useful idiot.
    Oh absolutely.

    Also for reference, a majority of the 211 Republicans I nthe House alone are/were in favour of ousting Liz Cheney for denouncing the Jan 6th terror attack.

    I would appreciate if someone, especially someone more inclined to side with Republicans, can let me know how many (if any) have denounced or supported removal of Marjorie Taylor Greene, and if this is a very low number, why this is the case compared to the 107+ who supported removing Liz Cheney for her comments?

    Because at the moment that just appears to show that the Republican party, at House level at least, is willing to accept pro terrorism, white supremacist conspiracy theorists while being quick to act against those who denounce these things (even if within their own ranks).

    While this may not apply to every single one of them in the House, it certainly does for the majority of them that they are happy to openly be the party of white supremacy and terrorist extremism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    ... they are happy to openly be the party of white supremacy and terrorist extremism.

    Are we back to this again ? Change the record :rolleyes:
    The same was being claimed about the Dems in the summer except they were anti-white as opposed to white supremacy I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Are we back to this again ? Change the record :rolleyes:
    The same was being claimed about the Dems in the summer except they were anti-white as opposed to white supremacy I believe.

    Who made these claims?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Who made these claims?

    Same people making the other claim.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    So what's the list now for Greene now?

    - QAnon and Pizzagate true believer.
    - Las Vegas shooting was a false flag operation.
    - 2017 White Supremacist Unite the Right rally was an "inside job".
    - Seth Rich was murdered by MS13 on behalf of Obama.
    - Claims no video evidence of plane hitting the pentagon on 9/11 exists, despite its existence.
    - Anti masker getting into screaming matches over not wearing a mask into Congress
    - Harrassing school shooting survivors as "actors" in false flag operations.
    - "White genocide" believer.
    - Has endorsed murdering democrat politicians for a few years now.
    - Big stop the steal/storm the Capitol supporter.
    - Wildfires are caused by secret Jewish space lasers.

    How many of the 261 Republicans in Congress have denounced her? Surely at least a few, right?

    She needs to be ejected.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Same people making the other claim.

    Names please.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Names please.

    James, Tony , Rebecca, Fracois, Damian, Tony (the other one) etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    James, Tony , Rebecca, Fracois, Damian, Tony (the other one) etc etc

    Okay. So you made up a theory.


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    James, Tony , Rebecca, Fracois, Damian, Tony (the other one) etc etc

    Oh look, a Trumpist spouting nonsense.

    And they were so confident with their nonsense that they used the :rolleyes: smiley. Bless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Okay. So you made up a theory.

    Not really, people who don't like the Dems called their support of the riots and attributed the rhetoric (of elements) of groups like blm as supporting terrorism and anti-white sentiment and now people who don't like the Reps are calling them supporters of terrorism for the capitol riot and white supremacists. Its just partisan name calling on both sides.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Oh look, a Trumpist spouting nonsense.

    And they were so confident with their nonsense that they used the :rolleyes: smiley. Bless.

    Trumpist, yeah whatever. :rolleyes: God bless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,382 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Not really, people who don't like the Dems called their support of the riots and attributed the rhetoric (of elements) of groups like blm as supporting terrorism and anti-white sentiment and now people who don't like the Reps are calling them supporters of terrorism for the capitol riot and white supremacists. Its just partisan name calling on both sides.

    Fair point. However, IMO, those calling some of the GOP politicians (including Trump) supporters of white supremacists have far more facts and logic to support their argument than those who accuse Dems of being anti White.


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Trumpist, yeah whatever. :rolleyes: God bless.

    So you think you fall into the "I'm not a fan of Trump but..." category instead is it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    So you think you fall into the "I'm not a fan of Trump but..." category instead is it?

    No offence mate Im not bothered about your categories


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Fair point. However, IMO, those calling some of the GOP politicians (including Trump) supporters of white supremacists have far more facts and logic to support their argument than those who accuse Dems of being anti White.

    Not if you get your facts from OANN


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    No offence mate Im not bothered about your categories

    Nor are you too bothered by a violent mob with cable ties, explosives and gas masks storming a building full of senators.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115837290&postcount=3466

    Just someone who isn't bothered by much I guess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Nor are you too bothered by a violent mob with cable ties, explosives and gas masks storming a building full of senators.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115837290&postcount=3466

    Just someone who isn't bothered by much I guess.

    Point ? That was a comment on the inclusion of Pepe the frog on an FBI list of symbols, its an internet meme from 4chan, which is taken from an online zine called Boys Club.
    Hardly an endorsement of the riots ?? Unlucky with that one try again maybe ;)


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Point ? That was a comment on the inclusion of Pepe the frog on an FBI list of symbols, its an internet meme from 4chan, which is taken from an online zine called Boys Club.
    Hardly an endorsement of the riots ?? Unlucky with that one try again maybe ;)

    I didn't want to point some of your more outlandish comments but if I must.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115839651&postcount=3654

    Your constant attempts to downplay the seriousness of the situation was cringey at best.

    I can share some more comments of yours if you like, but it's probably best to just get back on topic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I didn't want to point some of your more outlandish comments but if I must.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115839651&postcount=3654

    Your constant attempts to downplay the seriousness of the situation was cringey at best.

    I can share some more comments of yours if you like, but it's probably best to just get back on topic.

    :pac::pac: Asking how those dopes storming the building would have led to them taking control of the United States of America ? Thats endorsement ? Outlandish, to ask how they would have achieved anything by their act of amazing stupidity. They are morons and I don't believe they could have achieved anything by doing this. Where is me endorsing it ?

    No please fire away Im genuinely enjoying these damp squib attempts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Are we back to this again ? Change the record :rolleyes:
    The same was being claimed about the Dems in the summer except they were anti-white as opposed to white supremacy I believe.
    In that case, you will be able to provide me with:

    1. The names of Democrat(s) doing the equivalent of what Marjorie Greene has been up to, which I have listed in detail, that Democrats have not been looking to censure/oust, and

    2. The names of Democrat(s) who this summer had more than half of their peers in the House advocate for the removal of for denouncing the violence in at some of the riots and protests.

    You also avoided listing the Republicans who have denounced Greene, can you let me know which ones have? Surely there have to be a few at least.


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    :pac::pac: Asking how those dopes storming the building would have led to them taking control of the United States of America ? Thats endorsement ? Outlandish, to ask how they would have achieved anything by their act of amazing stupidity. They are morons and I don't believe they could have achieved anything by doing this. Where is me endorsing it ?

    No please fire away Im genuinely enjoying these damp squib attempts.

    You downplayed an incredibly serious incident that resulted in Insurrectionists getting within meters of some of the highest ranking politicians in the US...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    You downplayed an incredibly serious incident that resulted in Insurrectionists getting within meters of some of the highest ranking politicians in the US...

    By saying they wouldn't succeed ? Sue me.


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    :pac::pac: Asking how those dopes storming the building would have led to them taking control of the United States of America ? Thats endorsement ? Outlandish, to ask how they would have achieved anything by their act of amazing stupidity. They are morons and I don't believe they could have achieved anything by doing this. Where is me endorsing it ?

    No please fire away Im genuinely enjoying these damp squib attempts.

    I never said you endorsed it, I said you downplayed the seriousness of it. Need I remind you that your reply to that comment was basically "I dunno lol".

    Anyways, I hope this horns guy ends up testifying in his costume.
    Al Watkins, a lawyer for accused Capitol rioter Jacob Chansley, is offering his client as a witness in the upcoming Senate impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump.

    https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/lawyer-for-guy-with-the-horns-and-fur-offers-to-bring-down-trump-by-having-qanon-shaman-testify-at-impeachment-trial/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I never said you endorsed it, I said you downplayed the seriousness of it.
    I wasn't worried enough basically, got it.

    Me too, that'd be gas, surely they won't let them in without a shirt though, be funny too to see the podium that other guy stole in the court as an exhibit of evidence.


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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I wasn't worried enough basically, got it.

    It wasn't that you personally weren't worried enough, it was that you were so confused as to why other people were worried about it that you questioned people when they said they were.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    You downplayed an incredibly serious incident that resulted in Insurrectionists getting within meters of some of the highest ranking politicians in the US...

    I would say in regards to this, Jon Snow was on Newstalk last week and his opinion of it was it was not as serious as the general media were blowing it up to be.

    That basically they were just an unruly mob that caught the security by surprise and should have been dealt with more swiftly, but nothing was ever going to come of it.


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    I would say in regards to this, Jon Snow was on Newstalk last week and his opinion of it was it was not as serious as the general media were blowing it up to be.

    That basically they were just an unruly mob that caught the security by surprise and should have been dealt with more swiftly, but nothing was ever going to come of it.

    Nothing was ever going to come of a mob storming a building with explosives, gas masks, cable ties and other weapons? And how did nothing come of it when people died?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,770 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    By saying they wouldn't succeed ? Sue me.

    They didn't succeed on the day, but then neither did the 1916 rising.

    What is clear from this is that the 'cause' have the tacit support, or at least acceptance of the GOP, one of the two main parties in the state.

    What is clear is that it has the sympathies, if not full support, of many in the police and military.

    What it shows is that these groups can rely on many politicians to provide cover and make excuses for them.

    And what it shows is that if you can get enough popular support then the laws don't apply and the systems that have been in place for generations can be attacked without much fear.

    There will be very damaging long term effects of what happened on the 6th, and the GOP are helping to increase those effects by downplaying the events and looking, in some cases, to project themselves as defenders of the cause.

    They had the support of the POTUS, who had manouvered many of his supporters into positions that could aid in any takeover. That it fell apart so quickly is the only reason that it didn't go any further.

    Had Pence decided to play along and actually throw out the votes then who knows what would have happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Nothing was ever going to come of a mob storming a building with explosives, gas masks, cable ties and other weapons? And how did nothing come of it when people died?

    I was just highlighting what a Journalist with experience in war zones like Gaza and El Salvador said on Irish radio.

    You are of course free to disagree.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was just highlighting what a Journalist with experience in war zones like Gaza and El Salvador said on Irish radio.

    You are of course free to disagree.

    It is also your opinion too though right? If so, care to comment on my reply?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I would say in regards to this, Jon Snow was on Newstalk last week and his opinion of it was it was not as serious as the general media were blowing it up to be.

    That basically they were just an unruly mob that caught the security by surprise and should have been dealt with more swiftly, but nothing was ever going to come of it.

    You've got to put context around the whole thing - The aim here was not to "overthrow" the government , but to delay the confirmation in Congress. At least that was the hope of the Trump "Brains trust"

    Storm the building , cause lots of trouble , make them delay the vote - Supported by the fact that in the middle of the riot you had Rudi calling Tommy Tuberville (well actually calling another Senator instead because...Rudi) who it now turns out had a meeting with Trump and several others the previous day.

    The call was the remind Tuberville about making sure he did all he could to delay the vote.

    Now , what exactly they were planning to do with the delay is really anyones guess but I suspect that the "logic" was that by breaking the tradition of the vote happening on January 6th they hoped to be able to further delay the vote forcing it to go to the House/Senate vote process which would favour Trump.

    So yes , it was absolutely the intent of Trump and his inner circle for the events of the 6th to cause sufficient upset and delay to impact on the Constitutional process of confirming Biden as President.

    Did they mean for them to actually go inside the Capitol and for death and injury to occur? Probably not , but equally I don't think they were all that fussed as long they got the desired outcome.

    Listen to the voicemail from Rudi intended for Tuberville - Sent right at the height of the events.

    He doesn't say "Hey Tommy , hope you guys are ok , give me a call to let me know you are ok" or that kind of thing - No ,
    He says "Hey Tommy , if you could object to every state and, along with a congressman, get a hearing for every state, I know we would delay you a lot, but it would give us the opportunity to get the legislators who are very, very close to pulling their vote."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    It is also your opinion too though right? If so, care to comment on my reply?

    I would be inclined to lean towards the opinion of a seasoned on the ground war journalist as a point of reference.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would be inclined to lean towards the opinion of a seasoned on the ground war journalist as a point of reference.

    So, at the third time of asking, would you like to respond to my reply?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    So, at the third time of asking, would you like to respond to my reply?

    No


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No

    Great, thank you for your valued input to this thread.


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