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TheAsYLuMkeY

Deleted User wrote: »

Great, thank you for your valued input to this thread.

I am sorry if my contributions are not to your approval, i will keep trying.

Carfacemandog

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

I would say in regards to this, Jon Snow was on Newstalk last week and his opinion of it was it was not as serious as the general media were blowing it up to be.

That basically they were just an unruly mob that caught the security by surprise and should have been dealt with more swiftly, but nothing was ever going to come of it.

I can't find any record of Jon Snow being interviewed by Newstalk last week, but he was interviewed by them yesterday on The Hard Shoulder. https://www.newstalk.com/news/trump-got-away-with-so-much-as-he-was-supported-by-rich-sectors-of-the-media-jon-snow-1142358

Here is the interview in full, I have listened to it and the insurrection attempt was never even mentioned. Unless there is another interview you can point me to the existence of, I have to ask if you listened to the interview or just read about it somewhere else, and if so... where did you read what you are claiming?

Some interesting quotes from Jon Snow during that interview, though:

Jon Snow on Newstalk wrote:

"Trump got away with so much in the United States, and largely because he was supported and appreciated by rich sectors of the media".

"I am very relieved [to see the back of Trump] indeed, yes - I don't know if one's allowed to say that but I am. I believe he was a very malign operator".

Leroy42

TheAsy- What do you think the intention of the marches, and then the rioters was on the 6th?


And what do you think the likes of Ted Cruz were attempting to achieve?

And what do you think was Trumps end goal with his lie about the election?

TheAsYLuMkeY

Carfacemandog wrote: »

I can't find any record of Jon Snow being interviewed by Newstalk last week, but he was interviewed by them yesterday on The Hard Shoulder. https://www.newstalk.com/news/trump-got-away-with-so-much-as-he-was-supported-by-rich-sectors-of-the-media-jon-snow-1142358

Here is the interview in full, I have listened to it and the insurrection attempt was never even mentioned. Unless there is another interview you can point me to the existence of, I have to ask if you listened to the interview or just read about it somewhere else, and if so... where did you read what you are claiming?

Some interesting quotes from Jon Snow during that interview, though:

I listened to it on the radio in the car in full.

mcmoustache

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Are the Republicans fond of the BDS movement? I only ask this because I don't recall you mentioning them.before, especially when they tried to stop BDS movements on campuses.

I don't think either party is too fond of the BDS movement. I don't think I've posted about them before. I only raised this as an example of something that could legitimately be used to criticise the Biden administration from a policy pov.

It may help others who are finding it difficult to come up with something other than "sleepy/creepy joe" or "dementia" variants.

Timberrrrrrrr

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't think either party is too fond of the BDS movement. I don't think I've posted about them before. I only raised this as an example of something that could legitimately be used to criticise the Biden administration from a policy pov.

It may help others who are finding it difficult to come up with something other than "sleepy/creepy joe" or "dementia" variants.

Fwiw I think its disgraceful and Biden/Harris should be rolling back on this, they should also move the US embassy back from Jerusalem.

Carfacemandog

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

I listened to it on the radio in the car in full.

I have also listened to the Hard Shoulder interview with him in full, form yesterday. At no point during this interview did he mention what you claimed, nor was the Capitol insurrection attempt even brought up.

I have also linked to the interview in full, in which he does not mention what you claimed. Here is the link again: https://www.newstalk.com/news/trump-got-away-with-so-much-as-he-was-supported-by-rich-sectors-of-the-media-jon-snow-1142358

If it was a separate interview last week (odd that Newstalk would interview Jon Snow twice in a week, and then go through his life story on the second one without ever mentioning that he had been on a few days prior, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt), then what show or at least day was this on?

mcmoustache

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fwiw I think its disgraceful and Biden/Harris should be rolling back on this, they should also move the US embassy back from Jerusalem.

I agree although I doubt that it will happen. The support for Israel is fairly bipartisan in the US.

Real Donald Trump

Democrat's sure love erections :pac:

everlast75

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Democrat's sure love erections :pac:

Imagine being able to bring up an "erection" without having to pay a porn star $130,000 to spank you on your ample arse with a rolled up copy of a magazine with you on the front of it...

Overheal

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Democrat's sure love erections :pac:

Inciting Insurrection - getting stuck on Inciting an insurrection - ie. inciting an urrection :pac: 'Inciting an insurrection' is too much for the tongue to handle

Professor Moriarty

Overheal wrote: »

Inciting Insurrection - getting stuck on Inciting an insurrection - ie. inciting an urrection :pac: 'Inciting an insurrection' is too much for the tongue to handle

Yeeuw.

Carfacemandog

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So what's the list now for Greene now?

- QAnon and Pizzagate true believer.
- Las Vegas shooting was a false flag operation.
- 2017 White Supremacist Unite the Right rally was an "inside job".
- Seth Rich was murdered by MS13 on behalf of Obama.
- Claims no video evidence of plane hitting the pentagon on 9/11 exists, despite its existence.
- Anti masker getting into screaming matches over not wearing a mask into Congress
- Harrassing school shooting survivors as "actors" in false flag operations.
- "White genocide" believer.
- Has endorsed murdering democrat politicians for a few years now.
- Big stop the steal/storm the Capitol supporter.
- Wildfires are caused by secret Jewish space lasers.

How many of the 261 Republicans in Congress have denounced her? Surely at least a few, right?

It seems nobody has been able to identify Republicans denouncing her yet, though I might have just found out why.

The Republican Party have appointed Marjorie Taylor Greene - Sandy Hook and Stoneman Douglas school shooting "false flag/actors" conspiracy theorist, who has harassed the survivors of these school shootings, who has supported the murder of Democrat politicians and who has claimed that wildfires are Jewish space laser attacks - to the House Committee for Education and Labor.

That's a pretty clear endorsement of her from the same party ousting and censuring those who have criticised the terror attack of January 6th on the US government.

nolivesmatter

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Democrat's sure love erections :pac:

lol at the first guys panic face when he hears himself.

Quantum Baloney

These people genuinely believe that the election was won through fraud. They went to protest what they perceive to be a monumental wrongdoing, but by anyone's count it was only a very small minority that started to cause trouble. When you have a bunch of people with so much pent up anger and frustration like that you can easily imagine how in the spur of the moment they might have thought it was acceptable to gain entry to the Capitol Building. I wonder whether a full investigation of some of the more rowdy individuals would even reveal another motivation. Trump is obviously responsible for what happened to a large degree but I don't think anyone in the administration had serious designs at taking over the government of the country through force.

Anyway, the Democrats have gotten enormous political capital out of this, the militarized inauguration, the impeachment, but really, its obvious to anyone that isn't a cheerleader for the Democrat that there was no attempted coup.

Jimbob1977

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fwiw I think its disgraceful and Biden/Harris should be rolling back on this, they should also move the US embassy back from Jerusalem.

American Jews tend to vote Democrat.

I hope Biden can reinvigorate the "Two State" approach, which has been stalled for 20 years.

It's the only solution.

salmocab

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

These people genuinely believe that the election was won through fraud. They went to protest what they perceive to be a monumental wrongdoing, but by anyone's count it was only a very small minority that started to cause trouble. When you have a bunch of people with so much pent up anger and frustration like that you can easily imagine how in the spur of the moment they might have thought it was acceptable to gain entry to the Capitol Building. I wonder whether a full investigation of some of the more rowdy individuals would even reveal another motivation. Trump is obviously responsible for what happened to a large degree but I don't think anyone in the administration had serious designs at taking over the government of the country through force.

Anyway, the Democrats have gotten enormous political capital out of this, the militarized inauguration, the impeachment, but really, its obvious to anyone that isn't a cheerleader for the Democrat that there was no attempted coup.

But it was an attempted coup, they went in there thinking they could change what was happening with the election. Just because they had zero chance of doing it or that they had no real idea of how it would happen or indeed that they were mostly morons doesn’t mean they weren’t attempting it.

rossie1977

Lifted from another site

There was an angry group gathering outside of the American building;

Members of the group appeared fired-up and seething with contempt and pure hatred;

Some wore clothing with distinct and clear markings;

Most did not cover their faces;

Some were carrying oversized flags that depicted their ideology;

Some had firearms, many did not;

They chanted in unison with fists raised in the air;

They stormed the American facility with ease;

At first, they strolled around the compound, seemingly surprised that they made it into this sacred place, and then they appeared nonchalant and arrogant;

We saw the attackers destroying everything in sight with abandon;

Vigorously smashing windows;

Forcefully kicking in doors;

Ravaging offices and rooms; and

Some of the attackers stole items from the buildings, including laptops belonging to American officials, highly sensitive material, and souvenirs of their attack.

That's a description on what is visible from the videos on Benghazi which Republicans claimed at the time one of the worst ever attacks on America and spent 3 years and 10 investigations looking into it.

Timberrrrrrrr

rossie1977 wrote: »

Lifted from another site



That's a description on what is visible from the videos on Benghazi which Republicans claimed at the time one of the worst ever attacks on America and spent 3 years and 10 investigations looking into it.

And less people died in Benghazi than at the storming of the capitol.

12gauge dave

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And less people died in Benghazi than at the storming of the capitol.

And more people died during Blm protests than storming of Capitol Hill and more federal Buildings destroyed more police officers killed and more innocent people and more business's destroyed.

But the media doesn't care about those people.

Quantum Baloney

salmocab wrote: »

But it was an attempted coup, they went in there thinking they could change what was happening with the election. Just because they had zero chance of doing it or that they had no real idea of how it would happen or indeed that they were mostly morons doesn’t mean they weren’t attempting it.

I think that at base level, for me to agree that this was a serious attempt at a coup, rather than just a protest that became messy, I would expect to see a lot more guns involved. Americans love their guns but I don't think that anyone who stormed the Capitol Building was seen with one. If they are armed then the whole picture is different and then you have your coup for sure. But they weren't.

Leroy42

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

I think that at base level, for me to agree that this was a serious attempt at a coup, rather than just a protest that became messy, I would expect to see a lot more guns involved. Americans love their guns but I don't think that anyone who stormed the Capitol Building was seen with one. If they are armed then the whole picture is different and then you have your coup for sure. But they weren't.

What do you think the purpose of them being there was?

It was held on the 6thm the exact day of the vote. They had Senators in the building voting against the votes from states?

Do you really think they were there just to march a bit and then go home and accept Biden as the POTUS?

Trump certainly was pushing the line that Biden was illegitimate and that he should remain as POTUS.

I have yet to hear a reason, apart from looking to subvert the vote, as to why always those people went there.

Timberrrrrrrr

12gauge dave wrote: »

And more people died during Blm protests than storming of Capitol Hill and more federal Buildings destroyed more police officers killed and more innocent people and more business's destroyed.

But the media doesn't care about those people.

Who says they don't care? The BLM riots were all over the major news networks every night.

Tell me how

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

I think that at base level, for me to agree that this was a serious attempt at a coup, rather than just a protest that became messy, I would expect to see a lot more guns involved. Americans love their guns but I don't think that anyone who stormed the Capitol Building was seen with one. If they are armed then the whole picture is different and then you have your coup for sure. But they weren't.

• In the days leading up to the 6th, they announced on social media that they were taking part in a revolution.
• They went to the capitol at the request and instruction of someone who had lost the most recent election.
• They went there at the time when the results of that election were being formally accepted.
• They went there with the purpose of inhibiting this vote acceptance process.
• They set up a gallows outside the Capitol.
• They used force to break in to the Capitol.
• They violently attacked police defending the Capitol.
• They marched through the halls chanting that they wanted to hang the person formally accepting the election results.

It was an attempted coup. But thankfully, like everything else Trump has been involved in, it was a poor attempt and ultimately failed.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

And more people died during Blm protests than storming of Capitol Hill and more federal Buildings destroyed more police officers killed and more innocent people and more business's destroyed.

But the media doesn't care about those people.

Yes, the media doesn't care about fabricated people you made up in your head as no police officers were killed.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/07/facebook-posts/no-proof-black-lives-matter-killed-36-people-injur/

And yes, more people died during a protest that lasted many months and took place across the entire country than one that lasted less than a day in one location.

12gauge dave

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Who says they don't care? The BLM riots were all over the major news networks every night.

They were on the news alright but they werenr being criticised.

Its also funny how the only people who were guarding and protecting local businesses during the riots were trump supporters the so called bad guys.

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, the media doesn't care about fabricated people you made up in your head as no police officers were killed.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/07/facebook-posts/no-proof-black-lives-matter-killed-36-people-injur/

And yes, more people died during a protest that lasted many months and took place across the entire country than one that lasted less than a day in one location.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Its also funny how the only people who were guarding and protecting local businesses during the riots were trump supporters the so called bad guys.

I look forward to reading your sources for that.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820

Yes, this retired police officer is mentioned in my link.

Do you have a link to these police officers you are talking about?

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, this retired police officer is mentioned in my link.

Do you have a link to these police officers you are talking about?

He was not retired he was a police chief

David Dorn, 77, was discovered on the sidewalk in front of Lee's Pawn & Jewelry in St. Louis around 2:30 a.m., said Police Commissioner John Hayden. He said Dorn, who retired from the St. Louis Police Department in 2007 and had been serving as police chief of Moline Acres, Missouri, since 2008, was killed when he apparently tried to stop the looting of the shop.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

He was not retired he was a police chief

David Dorn, 77, was discovered on the sidewalk in front of Lee's Pawn & Jewelry in St. Louis around 2:30 a.m., said Police Commissioner John Hayden. He said Dorn, who retired from the St. Louis Police Department in 2007 and had been serving as police chief of Moline Acres, Missouri, since 2008, was killed when he apparently tried to stop the looting of the shop.

What is the second word in the description of the article you linked to?

Edit: Ah, you don't know the difference between a police officer and police chief, never mind.

You say more police officers died because of the BLM protests. Even if I let you count him, you still need more. Who are the others officers that died then?

rossie1977

The media you say..

Quantum Baloney

I heard Glenn Greenwald mention that Biden has assembled quite a collection of Iraq-invasion era neo-cons around him in his cabinet. Who are the big names he is referring to?

The_Brood

Bernie Sanders running wild on Twitter warning how Democrats are failing flat on their asses already, and what is the only Bernie story you hear on the news? "Ah isn't the old man with the silly mittens cute?"

The dream really. Steal Bernie's supporters to elect a corporatist shill, then ignore that in terms of cutting the gap between the rich and the poor and standing up to big corporations and banks, Biden is doing not one bit better than Trump.

12gauge dave

The_Brood wrote: »

Bernie Sanders running wild on Twitter warning how Democrats are failing flat on their asses already, and what is the only Bernie story you hear on the news? "Ah isn't the old man with the silly mittens cute?"

The dream really. Steal Bernie's supporters to elect a corporatist shill, then ignore that in terms of cutting the gap between the rich and the poor and standing up to big corporations and banks, Biden is doing not one bit better than Trump.

Someone talking some sense for once.

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

Someone talking some sense for once.

You mean unlike you who has made baseless claims and stops replying when asked to provide evidence of such claims?

Dr. Bre

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

I heard Glenn Greenwald mention that Biden has assembled quite a collection of Iraq-invasion era neo-cons around him in his cabinet. Who are the big names he is referring to?

Hopefully not Cheney or Rumsfeld

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean unlike you who has made baseless claims and stops replying when asked to provide evidence of such claims?

I genuinely thought there was more police officers killed I apologise for not researching that claim thoroughly .

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

I genuinely thought there was more police officers killed I apologise for not researching that claim thoroughly .

Good man for admitting you made a mistake.

How about this claim then?

Water John

There is one other major diff. BLM protests were about real grievance whilst the riot on the 6th Jan was about imagined grievance.

12gauge dave

Deleted User wrote: »

Good man for admitting you made a mistake.

How about this claim then?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389515/How-residents-armed-AR-15s-wearing-bullet-proof-vests-defending-businesses.html

ohnonotgmail

12gauge dave wrote: »

They were on the news alright but they werenr being criticised.

Its also funny how the only people who were guarding and protecting local businesses during the riots were trump supporters the so called bad guys.

12gauge dave wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389515/How-residents-armed-AR-15s-wearing-bullet-proof-vests-defending-businesses.html

Does that prove that the ONLY people guarding and protecting local businesses were trump supporters? I also seem to remember one of those same people killing two people.

gizmo

The_Brood wrote: »

Bernie Sanders running wild on Twitter warning how Democrats are failing flat on their asses already, and what is the only Bernie story you hear on the news? "Ah isn't the old man with the silly mittens cute?"

The dream really. Steal Bernie's supporters to elect a corporatist shill, then ignore that in terms of cutting the gap between the rich and the poor and standing up to big corporations and banks, Biden is doing not one bit better than Trump.

Neither Bernie Sanders' Senate account nor his personal account show any such thing. The former even highlights a number of news stories related to the renewed push to get the Raise the Wage Act passed through Congress.

CNN: Democrats introduce bill to raise minimum wage to $15 by 2025
The Guardian: Bernie Sanders in new push for $15 minimum wage under Biden: 'For me, it's morally imperative'

He also links to an article on The Hill, "Biden seeks $15 minimum wage for federal workers, contractors", to highlight the fact that the executive order the President intends to sign, which raises the minimum wage of federal employees, should be extended to all via the above Act.

What he does warn of, quite importantly, is the approach he feels may be necessary in order to pass this legislation given the historic objection to it by the GOP.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1352709760139866112

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389515/How-residents-armed-AR-15s-wearing-bullet-proof-vests-defending-businesses.html

1) I didn't think you were referring to people taking the law into their own hands.

2) Nowhere in that article does it make your claim.

Tell me how

12gauge dave wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389515/How-residents-armed-AR-15s-wearing-bullet-proof-vests-defending-businesses.html

False.

Even within that article, there is a group who stand with the BLM protestors, but are guarding against rioting.

Professor Moriarty

The_Brood wrote: »

Bernie Sanders running wild on Twitter warning how Democrats are failing flat on their asses already, and what is the only Bernie story you hear on the news? "Ah isn't the old man with the silly mittens cute?"

The dream really. Steal Bernie's supporters to elect a corporatist shill, then ignore that in terms of cutting the gap between the rich and the poor and standing up to big corporations and banks, Biden is doing not one bit better than Trump.

You think Biden's executive orders, to date, are the work of a corporate shill? That he is no better for the American people that Trump? Jeez, I love these threads. You learn so much about people.

12gauge dave

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Does that prove that the ONLY people guarding and protecting local businesses were trump supporters? I also seem to remember one of those same people killing two people.

No I can't prove it but they are white waving American flags with ar-15's I know what my moneys on if I was gambling.

I also seem to remember this although not as well covered by the media I grant you may of even missed it.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/blm-activists-celebrated-as-trump-supporter-killed-devine/




BLM ‘activists’ celebrated as Trump supporter was killed: Devine
By Miranda Devine

August 30, 2020 | 10:16pm


A man is treated after being shot
AP Photo/Paula Bronstein
It’s spine-chilling to hear activists in Portland cheering about the cold-blooded murder of a Trump supporter Saturday night.

“I am not sad that a f–king fascist died tonight,” a woman shouts into a megaphone at a BLM-Antifa gathering after a man was shot dead nearby.

“He was a f–king Nazi. Our community held its own and took out the trash.”

Videos posted by independent journalists Andy Ngo and Ian Miles Cheong show an American flag being burned in celebration as the crowd revels in the news.

Online video appears to show the murder. You can hear a man’s voice: “We got a couple right here.” And then two shots ring out.

12gauge dave

Interesting interview with ex scientific head of operation warpspeed Moncef Slaoui.

He talks briefly on Dealings with trump and Jared kushner and Bidens comments on warp speed.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/proud-vaccine-success-warp-speed-s-ex-science-head-talks-politics-presidents-and-future

y0ssar1an22

gizmo wrote: »

Neither Bernie Sanders' Senate account nor his personal account show any such thing. The former even highlights a number of news stories related to the renewed push to get the Raise the Wage Act passed through Congress.

CNN: Democrats introduce bill to raise minimum wage to $15 by 2025
The Guardian: Bernie Sanders in new push for $15 minimum wage under Biden: 'For me, it's morally imperative'

He also links to an article on The Hill, "Biden seeks $15 minimum wage for federal workers, contractors", to highlight the fact that the executive order the President intends to sign, which raises the minimum wage of federal employees, should be extended to all via the above Act.

What he does warn of, quite importantly, is the approach he feels may be necessary in order to pass this legislation given the historic objection to it by the GOP.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1352709760139866112

per bernie, democrats can do just about anything right now, except in a few small cases. they dont need bipartisanship, and he doesn't expect it.

great, get it done! whatever that may be for the american people; as nike would say, just do it.

Igotadose

12gauge dave wrote: »

No I can't prove it but they are white waving American flags with ar-15's I know what my moneys on if I was gambling.

I also seem to remember this although not as well covered by the media I grant you may of even missed it.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/blm-activists-celebrated-as-trump-supporter-killed-devine/




BLM ‘activists’ celebrated as Trump supporter was killed: Devine
By Miranda Devine

August 30, 2020 | 10:16pm


A man is treated after being shot
AP Photo/Paula Bronstein
It’s spine-chilling to hear activists in Portland cheering about the cold-blooded murder of a Trump supporter Saturday night.

“I am not sad that a f–king fascist died tonight,” a woman shouts into a megaphone at a BLM-Antifa gathering after a man was shot dead nearby.

“He was a f–king Nazi. Our community held its own and took out the trash.”

Videos posted by independent journalists Andy Ngo and Ian Miles Cheong show an American flag being burned in celebration as the crowd revels in the news.

Online video appears to show the murder. You can hear a man’s voice: “We got a couple right here.” And then two shots ring out.

This Miranda Devine? https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2020/oct/09/devine-intervention-news-corp-columnist-forced-to-say-she-doesnt-want-grandma-to-die


Posting sh1te from known liars Ian Cheong and Andy Ngo? As they say, pull the other one.

Follow the story on the Danielson murder and see if it what this Devine posts is in fact true. There was tons of coverage.