Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

newhouse87

listermint wrote: »

Your already convinced this is a conservative news station. They're taking you for a thick.

It'll be a shill opinion TV station pushing out farage waffle

Who are they? I believe it will be conservative leaning, i think in a few weeks here people will be saying its full on far right wing.

duploelabs

newhouse87 wrote: »

we are talking about a news channel that is concerning other because it will be conservative leaning, it should not be concerning to any individual who can think rationally.

Can you rephrase that because it doesn't really make sense? Are you saying that that right leaning news channels should be given a free ride to present opinion as fact because of balance

eagle eye

listermint wrote:

We live in Ireland not the US. I don't want this opinion type fact ****e to come into the market here. And if anyone thinks a right wing Tory Eton Oxford toff owned grifting network will succeed with viewers from Ireland . As they initially said they also wanted to be here. They are nuts.

Do you listen to newstalk? It's agenda driven. Anything political that comes out of the Late, Late show presenters mouth is agenda driven. Joe Duffy is all about the poor folk, again agenda driven.
There's very little Irish radio or tv that hasn't an agenda.
I'm not backing any other channel that's designed for conservatists or socialists.
I just want the news reported as bare facts and make my own mind about it.
As I said I read Reuters, just bare facts.

Timberrrrrrrr

newhouse87 wrote: »

where did i say i accept it will be an echo chamber? I asked does that poster think conservative views are insane based on his suggestion .It hasn't even aired yet and ye are talking about the far right.

Conservative views and right wing views are two different things.

Conservative: I think there should be tighter border controls, Illegal immigrants should be processed through the system and then deported back to thisr own countries as quickly as possible.

Right wing: Fùcking immigrants coming here taking our jobs, bastàrds should be drowned at sea, soon as you see a dinghy full of the cùnts it should be sank.

Conservative TV channel i have bo problem with, a right wing TV channel I would have a problem with.

Timberrrrrrrr

newhouse87 wrote: »

I haven't for a second lauded it, i like to give things a chance before bashing it, dont see any problem with that, some posters here dont even want to hear conservative views, surely you can see thats not right.

What Conservative views are you talking about?

newhouse87

duploelabs wrote: »

Can you rephrase that because it doesn't really make sense? Are you saying that that right leaning news channels should be given a free ride to present opinion as fact because of balance

Meant to say a poster claimed it was concerning that a news outlet was going to focus on right wing viewpoints, i think its concerning people think like that, please point me to where i said right leaning media should be given a free ride to present opinion as fact, i for one only want facts on my news no matter how harsh the facts might be.

joe40

listermint wrote: »

You can't trust that frankly. These stations and social media platforms are powerful. And to be frank people are stupid.

There should be regulations and properly inforced regulations with fines. Fines for telling lies and spreading mistruths. Stations and social media platforms forced to spend weeks publicly walking back any lies published or told on their platforms. The size of the lie should reflect the size of their marketing time and budget walking it back.

You cant rely on individuals to have he capacity to sort the lies from the facts.

The world has changed. And these media companies are void of responsibility

Print media in the UK have been doing that for years.

newhouse87

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Conservative views and right wing views are two different things.

Conservative: I think there should be tighter border controls, Illegal immigrants should be processed through the system and then deported back to thisr own countries as quickly as possible.

Right wing: Fùcking immigrants coming here taking our jobs, bastàrds should be drowned at sea, soon as you see a dinghy full of the cùnts it should be sank.

Conservative TV channel i have bo problem with, a right wing TV channel I would have a problem with.

well in your phrasing of it im conservative not right wing. So i would agree i don't want to bolster far right idiots like Gemma od et al.

Timberrrrrrrr

newhouse87 wrote: »

well in your phrasing of it im conservative not right wing. So i would agree i don't want to bolster far right idiots like Gemma od et al.

Believe it or not, so am I! Yet I have been called "lefty shill" more times in the last 4 years on here than I have in the previous 15.

No one is saying there shouldn't be a conservative leaning TV channel, but there definitely shouldn't be a right wing TV channel.

newhouse87

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Believe it or not, so am I! Yet I have been called "lefty shill" more times in the last 4 years on here than I have in the previous 15.

No one is saying there shouldn't be a conservative leaning TV channel, but there definitely shouldn't be a right wing TV channel.

could be getting wires crossed here with right wing/conservative, us politics i suppose where its left and right.

astrofool

eagle eye wrote: »

Well the news thing is a huge problem.
When I grew up, in Ireland we had Charles Mitchell on the 9pm news who read out the facts of what happened and/or what was said by those involved. There was no agenda, there was no opinion given just the facts. This lead to conversations between people about the events and on occasion heated arguments but everybody made up their own mind about who was right or wrong and everything else.
Now all news networks seem opinionated and even agenda driven. It's not surprising people don't trust them. The big problem then is you get drawn into something you find more favourable which of course is agenda driven.
This is why I avoid social media, it's why I'm very picky about where I get my news from. I love reuters, bare facts given with no opinion on it.

Ah c'mon, the Irish news was always edited and censored to suit the church to a great extent and politicians to a lesser extent, the only difference is that today we have the knowledge to know it's happening. Think about what Haughey got away with, or the misery inflicted by the church on anyone who didn't follow their hypocritical teachings.

Sure we still have the angelus (twisted version that it is today).

eagle eye

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

Conservative views and right wing views are two different things.

What you are talking about is racist far right politics.
It really should have it's own name rather than far right.
Right wing views are not like that.

relax carry on

Any chance of anything related to the Biden presidency at all? I know its not as interesting as at bat **** car crash grifting insanity that went before it but surely there's something worthy of discussion going on?

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

where did i say i accept it will be an echo chamber? I asked does that poster think conservative views are insane based on his suggestion .It hasn't even aired yet and ye are talking about the far right.

The other poster asked if you don't think it will be an echo chamber, which you avoided answering. Typically when someone a pods answering a direct question it is because they know the answer and it isn't helpful to their argument.

So, do you think it will not be an echo chamber, despite it being promoted as essentially that?

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

well in your phrasing of it im conservative not right wing. So i would agree i don't want to bolster far right idiots like Gemma od et al.

In which case you should take issue here, as the US equaivlant (FOX News) has bolstered far right idiots like the QAnon cult.

https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/fox-host-praises-qanon-asks-if-twitter-banning-qanon-accounts-election

newhouse87

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The other poster asked if you don't think it will be an echo chamber, which you avoided answering. Typically when someone a pods answering a direct question it is because they know the answer and it isn't helpful to their argument.

So, do you think it will not be an echo chamber, despite it being promoted as essentially that?

How is it being promoted as an echo chamber? Just because somebody here says something doesn't make it true. The other poster was suggesting that conservative views were insane.

Overheal

newhouse87 wrote: »

How is it being promoted as an echo chamber? Just because somebody here says something doesn't make it true. The other poster was suggesting that conservative views were insane.

Because many of them are. Let me tell you about trickle down economics!

newhouse87

Overheal wrote: »

Because many of them are. Let me tell you about trickle down economics!

In your opinion and i respect that, i also hold the same view for many liberal policies and hope you respect my opinion on that.

Overheal

newhouse87 wrote: »

In your opinion and i respect that, i also hold the same view for many liberal policies and hope you respect my opinion on that.

It wouldn’t bother me it’s your opinion, just am not sure why you’re slamming the brakes on the thread to clutch the pearls about someone else stating as much.

newhouse87

Overheal wrote: »

It wouldn’t bother me it’s your opinion, just am not sure why you’re slamming the brakes on the thread to clutch the pearls about someone else stating as much.

Somebody stated it was worrying the a news outlet was going to be right leaning, that is a childish view to have, do people only want to hear opinions that they agree with? Different viewpoints is essential in society im sure you would agree.

duploelabs

newhouse87 wrote: »

Somebody stated it was worrying the a news outlet was going to be right leaning, that is a childish view to have, do people only want to hear opinions that they agree with? Different viewpoints is essential in society im sure you would agree.

Thing is that many of the right wing news sites are extremely poor at any journalistic integrity, many using unverified and debunked sources

newhouse87

duploelabs wrote: »

Thing is that many of the right wing news sites are extremely poor at any journalistic integrity, many using unverified and debunked sources

if that is the case with this i will be switching off, i think most of us agree we want accurate news, not opinions just facts.

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

How is it being promoted as an echo chamber? Just because somebody here says something doesn't make it true.

Echo chamber: "an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered."

This channel is focusing on right wing issues, which you yourself have already accepted and agreed with. That is what an echo chamber is, just like "fair and balanced" FOX news which has veered into promoting QAnon, which you yourself have said is bad (unless you view QAnon favourably to Gemma O'doherty?).

This is not something that exists in British or Irish news media, and as we have seen from the US is extremely unhealthy to society.

The other poster was suggesting that conservative views were insane.

Not sure if you're confusing yourself of being dishonest here, but that's the opposite of what they said.

Listermint: "You can hold conservative views (good) but when they drift into right wing they're not good."

newhouse87

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Echo chamber: "an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered."

This channel is focusing on right wing issues, which you yourself have already accepted and agreed with. That is what an echo chamber is, just like "fair and balanced" FOX news which has veered into promoting QAnon, which you yourself have said is bad (unless you view QAnon favourably to Gemma O'doherty?).


The same can be said for any news outlet cnn,fox whatever, your point is moot.
No you are the one confused this is the poster who was suggesting conservative views were insane, i will wait for you to correct yourself.

pjohnson wrote: »

You think GB news wont be a echo chamber for sane people to laugh at?

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

The same can be said for any news outlet cnn,fox whatever, your point is moot.
No you are the one confused

No, it can not. Hence why this would be setting precedent, and a bad one at that. The UK and Irish TV news market are not the US TV market. If you disagree then point me to the UK equivalent of someone like Sean Hannity or tucker Carlson.

Good to see you climb down about misrepresenting the other poster and the 4est of your argument that you failed to defend.

newhouse87

Carfacemandog wrote: »

No, it can not. Hence why this would be setting precedent, and a bad one at that. The UK and Irish TV news market are not the US TV market. If you disagree then point me to the UK equivalent of someone like Sean Hannity or tucker Carlson.

Good to see you climb down about misrepresenting the other poster and the 4est of your argument that you failed to defend.

Climbdown, what are you talking about, you totally got the wrong poster and i have pointed you to the poster i was talking about who was suggesting conservative views are insane, correct yourself. You are missing the point as i have seen with you many times. there is no right leaning media outlet in the uk hence one is being created as people righly or wrongly believe the media in the uk is left leaning, you do get confused a lot.

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

Climbdown, what are you talking about, you totally got the wrong poster and i have pointed you to the poster i was talking about who was suggesting conservative views are insane, correct yourself.

Ah, I had missed that.

To no surprise though, you are also misrepresenting that poster, whose comment was: "You think GB news wont be a echo chamber for sane people to laugh at?"

This was in reply to your comment: "Its worrying to you that right wing viewpoints are going to be focussed on in GB news, that says all i already knew about you, you just want an echo chamber of your views, enjoy dumb and dumber, lemon and cuomo on cnn.'"

Once again, nowhere was the word conservative used by either poster.

So why the need to deliberately be dishonest about other people's posts?

You are missing the point as i have seen with you many times. there is no right leaning media outlet in the uk hence one is being created as people righly or wrongly believe the media in the uk is left leaning, you do get confused a lot.

We are not talking about right leaning, we are talking about right wing - you included, as I have shown above in this same post. Why also the need to change the goalposts?

As repeatedly has been said, there is no uk equivalent to what is being proplsed here. If you disagree then point me to the UK equivalent of someone like Sean Hannity or tucker Carlson,which you have failed to do in response to my previous post.

newhouse87

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Ah, I had missed that.

To no surprise though, you are also misrepresenting that poster, whose comment was: "You think GB news wont be a echo chamber for sane people to laugh at?"

This was in reply to your comment: "Its worrying to you that right wing viewpoints are going to be focussed on in GB news, that says all i already knew about you, you just want an echo chamber of your views, enjoy dumb and dumber, lemon and cuomo on cnn.'"

Once again, nowhere was the word conservative used by either poster.



So why the need to deliberately be dishonest about other people's posts?

We are not talking about right leaning, we are talking about right wing - you included, as I have shown above in this same post. Why also the need to change the goalposts?

As repeatedly has been said, there is no uk equivalent to what is being proplsed here. If you disagree then point me to the UK equivalent of someone like Sean Hannity or tucker Carlson,which you have failed to do in response to my previous post.

Yes you had missed that, just like you missed the point about people wanting more right leaning news outlet as they feel most news is left lenaing that is why Carlson Hannity etc don't exist yet., some people say conservative others say right wing, its far right is the problem not right wing, you were wrong i misrepresented no poster and now you are being pedantic with about use of conservative or right wing, glad you admitted your mistake, in future read back before accusing posters of misrepresenting, time to clock out here at work, good day sir.

Sonics2k

newhouse87 wrote: »

In your opinion and i respect that, i also hold the same view for many liberal policies and hope you respect my opinion on that.

There's are people who think the world is flat, 5g caused covid and vaccines cause autism.

Some opinions are insane.

Overheal

Sonics2k wrote: »

There's are people who think the world is flat, 5g caused covid and vaccines cause autism.

Some opinions are insane.

OAN is definitely insane

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/business/media/misinformation-trump-media.html

Carfacemandog

newhouse87 wrote: »

Yes you had missed that, just like you missed the point about people wanting more right leaning news outlet

No, right wing. Your words, which I have repeatedly quoted. Please try being a little less intentionally dishonest, though I won't hold my breath.

as they feel most news is left lenaing that is why Carlson Hannity etc don't exist yet.,

No, it is because opinion-as-news fests are not a part of the British or Irish TV news market, be it on the left or the right. Which has been repeatedly pointed out, and which you have been unable to argue against.

some people say conservative others say right wing, its far right is the problem not right wing, you were wrong i misrepresented no poster and now you are being pedantic with about use of conservative or right wing

Except you said right wing initially, then you pretended the person was responding to a comment stating conservatism. If you were being honest, you would have taken issue with them saying being right wing was insane, but that wouldn't have tied in well with your efforts to switch the goalposts to 'right leaning' now would it?

glad you admitted your mistake, in future read back before accusing posters of misrepresenting, time to clock out here at work, good day sir.

Admitted I had figured you were referring to a different poster. Yet still correct that you were intentionally misrepresenting another poster, such has been the consistency of your doing similar in this thread.

Still waiting for you to get back on your litany of misrepresentations, inaccuracies, and dishonest posts through this thread, but it's beginning to look like that was the intent on your end so I won't be holding my breath.

12gauge dave

If a law abiding citizen wants to watch a right wing news channel I don't see the problem?

Its the horse racing channels you need to stay away from.

flazio

So, back on topic. Joseph R. Biden Junior is still the President of The United States of America.

eagle eye

newhouse87 wrote:

Somebody stated it was worrying the a news outlet was going to be right leaning, that is a childish view to have, do people only want to hear opinions that they agree with? Different viewpoints is essential in society im sure you would agree.

I don't want to hear different viewpoints, just the facts. I'll make up my own.mind based on that and by having conversations with others.
Agenda driven media is crap whether it's supporting the left, right or centre.

flazio

This really should be in a thread of its own but I do have to chime in on this and say, it's not just how news is delivered that forms an agenda it's what, or more importantly, what is not getting reported that can form an agenda. To say that Irish media used to be impartial is a bit bull. The church had as much power there as it did in other aspects of society, else Magdeline laundries and the Mother and baby home scandals would have been out much sooner

CtevenSrowder

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So you do accept it will be an echo chamber.

What is the left wing echo chamber channel on British TV? There is none, which is why this sets dangerous precedent when it comes to how their society communicate tes and interacts, which has already been deteriorating for a few years now... thanks in no small part to echo chambers.

Have you not heard of channel 4?

ExMachina1000

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

Water John

A President makes decisions, wow!

everlast75

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

*sigh*

No ability to contextualise.

Common trait amongst trump supporters.

Oh, and when your guy tries to incites a crowd to stop a free and fair election, I'd keep the word dictatorial out of your mouth.

ExMachina1000

Water John wrote: »

A President makes decisions, wow!

Yes a president. Not a king.

everlast75

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes a president. Not a king.

You mean like someone who is above the law?

Who can't be indicted?

Who cannot be impeached?

Who does that sound like?

Tell me how

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

Trump Derangement Syndrome in full flow.
Trumpets in 2020: 'He has done nothing in 47 years'
Trumpets in 2021: 'He has done too much in a week'

Question for you. If you got a new job, and the last guy had been doing things terribly, would you keep doing things terribly, or try to fix things?

(P.S. Your guy also lamented the fact that he would only be able to serve 2 terms. How's that for dictatorial? I does make it sweeter that the only thing he got 2 of was impeachments.)

ExMachina1000

everlast75 wrote: »

You mean like someone who is above the law?

Who can't be indicted?

Who cannot be impeached?

Who does that sound like?

I believe the mod note specifies that this thread is about Biden. There is another thread for Trump. Moreover spending years complaining about Trunp then when Biden does something not seen before rather than addressing the point the default answer is yeah but Trump.

No thanks. I'm not playing the whataboutery spin the wheel game with you. Pass

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

I thought you guys were into that kind of thing.

everlast75

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I believe the mod note specifies that this thread is about Biden. There is another thread for Trump. Moreover spending years complaining about Trunp then when Biden does something not seen before rather than addressing the point the default answer is yeah but Trump.

No thanks. I'm not playing the whataboutery spin the wheel game with you. Pass

I'm merely pointing that you have zero credibility when you had zero problem with Trump truly acting like a king. Hypocrisy will do that to you.

uncleoswald

Signing executive orders is like raising the national debt, the right only cares when dems do it.

A lot of those were to combat covid. Let's do a count at the end of Biden's term.

relax carry on

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

Almost as if there was some sort of global emergency requiring immediate actions which included correcting the incompetence of the previous administration. Won't someone think of the children!

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

Timberrrrrrrr

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

Your guy lost, get over it.

namloc1980

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Joe Biden has carried out 33 executive orders in his first week as president.

This compares to

5 by Obama
4 by Trump
1 by Clinton
And zero by Bush jr

Some were directly overturning Trumps while others were because he felt it should be so.

Dictatorial like governance from the get go.

About half of then are related to battling Covid 19 and were needed due to the inaction and lack of planning of the last administration. Most of the others were to reverse the most egregious executive orders by Trump like the Paris climate accord and withdrawing from the WHO.

You're fooling nobody with your faux outrage.