Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431639#Comment_118431639

It absolutely is not wrong to compare the 2 events.

That does not mean they are exactly the same but while 9/11 saw horrific deaths, the perpetrators were extremist foreign nationals.

Here, the death numbers were small, but the attackers were American citizens who claim to be patriots and the ring leader was the sitting American President.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432362#Comment_118432362

If they could prosecute those people as they wanted they’d have done it by now. There aren’t even any indictments yet. There are thousands of hours of video footage yet to be released that they are sitting on, making it a nightmare situation for the defence of the defendants. Though they have released what they want us to see.

There were armed military there with shoot to kill orders.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-secret-commandos-shoot-kill-authority-were-capitol-1661330

Many of the agencies involved refused to seek extra help but as VP Pence was there at the capitol the justice department were doing their jobs. Which is surprising because it was evident the size of the protests planned for that day. The mayor of D.C. was a Democrat, Bowser. What did the justice department see that others didn’t?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html

And back to downplaying...

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433290#Comment_118433290

Not in the WaPO article: "Higher-up leaders at the Pentagon then evaluated the request and activated the full D.C. Guard, in addition to later calling the governors of other states to send their Guard forces as reinforcements. The officials also lifted limits on the Guard for the new mission, arming guardsmen with riot gear, but not guns, before they headed to create a perimeter around the Capitol."

The Newsweek article is kind of vague - indicates SWAT teams around the Capitol, but not in it where the insurrectionists were. Be careful what you mean when you say "there." My guess is there are armed police around the Capitol all the time. But, in the Capitol building protecting (and shooting) insurrections? Not so much.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433290#Comment_118433290

Inditements? There have been hundreds charged and many have already been sentenced.

Only showing us what they want us to see? The pictures were live, you could, like everyone else, watch it unfold. Across many channels, so not stuck to some bias.

AS for the shoot to kill, I refer back to the situation where the POTUS himself was congratulation the people involved. That is a tough call, particularly given the very fervent political split in the US, to give the order to start shooting.

A perfect example is that despite the video evidence, the convictions, the evidence, many as still trying to downplay the events. Go back and look over the reaction to the woman being shoot inside the building. Many Trump supporters were openly calling it out as police violence. Imagine if instead of one woman, breaking through a window after being told not to, was shot, some snipers had started to fire into the crowd outside? Imagine the POTUS response? He had previously said that if HC won then gun owner had the 2nd Amendment and knew what to do.

Trump had sided with the militia that had stormed the congress building (can't recall the stat off hand).

It is not as simple as saying they should have been tougher.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432362#Comment_118432362

What I really don't understand was why there wasn't like 100 armed guards shooting to kill at the perimeter.

Because the perpetrators were acting on the instruction of the sitting President, and all the rampant second amendment adovcates and supposed lovers of the constitution who demand access to guns so as to prevent the actions of a tyrannical government forgot all that for the day and instead tried to do his bidding in preventing the election being certified as laid out in the constitution.

And this is why we are still talking about it.

As for your final statement about if there were armed police who had shot the insurrectionists, it might have brought it to a close on that day. We don't know at this point obviously. But, we have seen Trumps supporters asking 'when do they get to use the guns' and those same people who ignored the President trying to circumvent democracy are all too willing to flip back in to patriot mode and would use an attack by police at the capitol were it to happen as a sign that the government was preventing access to the peoples house.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433381#Comment_118433381

As dishonest takes go that one is right up there. These things as mentioned in the Waco article were done on that day Wednesday, when it was already too late. How are troops from other states supposed to get there and react in a meaningful way? Look at the words in your quote, ‘then evaluated’, ‘in addition to later calling’

paragraph 5. Wapo

The Capitol Police, the law enforcement force that reports to Congress and protects the House and Senate, hadn’t requested help from the Guard ahead of Wednesday’s events. But early Wednesday afternoon, its chief made an urgent plea for backup from 200 troops during a call with top Pentagon and city officials, according to officials familiar with the call.

Paragraph 8. Wapo

Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) confirmed that account in an interview with The Washington Post, saying Capitol Police “made it perfectly clear that they needed extraordinary help, including the National Guard. There was some concern from the Army of what it would look like to have armed military personnel on the grounds of the Capitol.” One concern was whether the Army had been invited by Congress.

Paragraph 1. Wapo

The Pentagon placed tight limits on the D.C. National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests this week, trying to ensure the use of military force remained constrained, as the Guard carried out a narrow, unarmed mission requested by the city’s mayor to help handle traffic ahead of planned protests.

Paragraph 2. Wapo

In memos issued Monday and Tuesday in response to a request from the D.C. mayor, the Pentagon prohibited the District’s guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, sharing equipment with local law enforcement, or using Guard surveillance and air assets without the defense secretary’s explicit sign-off, according to officials familiar with the orders. The limits were established because the Guard hadn’t been asked to assist with crowd or riot control.

Paragraph 4. Wapo

Then the mission abruptly changed — and the Pentagon is now facing criticism from governors and local officials who say it moved too slowly to send National Guard troops to respond, a charge that its leaders denied Thursday.

The capitol police that protects the Congress and house didn’t request the guard, Bowser said it was clear they needed the guard but couldn’t sort it out with the military, the pentagon placed limits on the guard, the mayor blames the pentagon. The pentagon denies all of this. A jumbled mess of blame shifting. Not one was ready before the day.

3rd paragraph of the Newsweek article shows that Rosen and the justice department were the only ones anticipating the widespread protests that day.

paragraph 3 Newsweek.

Rosen made a unilateral decision to take the preparatory steps to deploy Justice Department and so-called "national" forces. There was no formal request from the U.S. Capitol Police, the Secret Service, or the Metropolitan Police Department—in fact, no external request from any agency. The leadership in Justice and the FBI anticipated the worst and decided to act independently, the special operations forces lurking behind the scenes.

paragraph 6 newsweek.

All of these assets were "pre-deployed" and ready to go over the weekend of January 2-3, staging out of the FBI Academy complex in Quantico, 30 miles south of the Capitol building. If a WMD or terrorist attack occurred, the units were to move via helicopter to the site of the incident. The activation of the catastrophic response units, operating under plans already approved by President Trump, entailed an automatic green light allowing federal responders to take the initiative and spare no resources, including shoot-to-kill authority, to deal with this most extraordinary condition.

Paragraph 14 Newsweek.

The presence of these extraordinary forces under the control of the Attorney General—and mostly operating under contingency plans that Congress and the U.S. Capitol Police were not privy to—added an additional layer of highly armed responders. The role that the military played in this highly classified operation is still unknown, though FBI sources tell Newsweek that military operators seconded to the FBI, and those on alert as part of the National Mission Force, were present in the metropolitan area.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433585#Comment_118433585

I don't understand why thare werent armed guards shooting all summer when police stations and federal buildings were being stormed by insurrectionists across America

Oh wait I do understand why that didnt happen ☺️

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433885#Comment_118433885

Were they interruping the constitutional democratic process?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433885#Comment_118433885

Yeah, scenes like this were disgraceful and a sign of what was to come.

https://video.cgtn.com/news/346b444e3245444e3067544e33496a4d7a67444f31457a6333566d54/video/b2b1f9e3007c4bc19cf2f594b37c3177/b2b1f9e3007c4bc19cf2f594b37c3177.jpg

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432362#Comment_118432362

What I really don't understand was why there wasn't like 100 armed guards shooting to kill at the perimeter. Like why didn't they kill the protestors who breached?

Because that's exactly what Trump and the people who egged on these rioting fools would be looking for. Imagine all the claptrap that would have spouted if armed guards opened up on these twats.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434283#Comment_118434283

Interrupting a Democratic process is an insurrection. Definitions aren't your strong point are they?

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434307#Comment_118434307

Dictionary says otherwise 🤭

"An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office."

Interruption however

"An interruption is something such as an action, comment, or question, that causes someone or something to stop."

Sounds like the ticket to me. You were saying something about strong points, anyway.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433200#Comment_118433200

What pearl harbour, 9/11, and 1/6 have in common is not the numbers of casualties, but all three events dispelled beliefs that they wouldn’t be attacked during WWII, that Islamic terrorism wouldn’t succeed in striking on the American homeland, and that the “peaceful transfer of power” was almost a given and something that Americans held up as why they were were the top democracy in the world. That’s how I think they are linked.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434615#Comment_118434615

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that Harris was making a symbolic comparison between the events. Amazingly, in the real world it's possible to compare things without saying they're the exact same. Those sadly googling and trotting out the casualty figures know this, as usual it's just something else for them to pretend to be outraged about.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434421#Comment_118434421

One dictionary says otherwise.

Here's what Google says.

It is what it is.

Just because they failed, doesn't mean that it was something other than what it was intended to be.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118434693#Comment_118434693

It’s was a coup attempt. An insurrection.

It was just a terrible one, perpetrated by morons.

Dr. Bre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435217#Comment_118435217

A coup involves an army with tanks etc..

this was a bunch of hicks

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435240#Comment_118435240

By what definition does it _have_ to include an army with certain equipment?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435240#Comment_118435240

A coup doesn’t need to be violent.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435240#Comment_118435240

No, it doesn't.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435240#Comment_118435240

It really, really doesn't.

Why people still feel the need to play this down is beyond me.

• It doesn't matter how many there were
• It doesn't matter that they weren't backed by the army
• It doesn't matter that the attempt was completely botched.

Fact is, a large group of people broke into the US government buildings in an attempt to stop the democratic process on behalf of the current President. That's an insurrection. That is domestic terrorism.

Like I've said, those who are here trying to deny this were nowhere to be seen on the night in question.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435522#Comment_118435522

They downplay it because judging those at the capital based on the facts and the footage is extremely damaging for trump et Al.

Therefore, they contort the facts to lessen the offence, or else claim the Dems did worse, so that we aren't discussing what *actually* occurred.

I wonder how such posters would perform in a debate in person, where they can't run away and replenish their bs by looking at Fox talking points, where they would have to stick around and not change the topic so easily.

newhouse87

https://mobile.twitter.com/HAv2RtrnVdeoTps/status/1479106136137555979

Yep sure looks like an attempt to overthrow the us government.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437394#Comment_118437394

Reservoir dogs was a placid movie if you edit it right

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437414#Comment_118437414

What's edited about that video? Presume the music wasnt playing but the video is a snippet of idiots in the capitol.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433495#Comment_118433495

No charges of insurrection or sedition. What have they been charged with? The first person sentenced was an Alaskan grandmother who just followed the crowd and was one the first people in the building. They would have shot if they needed to, they were under orders to do so. If they had more visible guards at the perimeter then this would never have happened.

newhouse87

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

FBI dont have evidence it was a coup attempt. Think some on here should contact the FBi with the coup attempt evidence as they seem to be struggling in america to find it.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437394#Comment_118437394

It was an attempt to interrupt and prevent the business of the US government so that the incumbent could somehow remain in charge.

That is pretty much the definition of an insurrection no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

The fact that those involved including those shown in the video above were incompetent, idiotic and easily manipulated doesn't change that fact.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437548#Comment_118437548

Similar to the Kavanaugh hearings in your opinion when activists stormed federal buildings?