Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118646125#Comment_118646125

So why are they ok here , along with a host of other options?

What problem are they trying to address?

Voter Fraud simply isn't a thing so why all the effort to increase the level of effort

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118646008#Comment_118646008

Here you go.

40% of Texans don't have a drivers licence and logically those most likely to not be driving are those living in Urban locations and those on lower incomes.

Fathom

One major problem for Biden. He is not entertaining. He typically does not frequently makeup and state outrageous and sensational things on Twitter or other social media.

No matter the importance of issues like Covid, he does not know how to package them in a way that draws in the news media and their audience.

To reiterate and paraphrase Huey Long. Good news is the best news. Bad news is the the second best news. And no news is bad news for a politician. Biden is not news worthy. He is boring and not entertaining.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118646125#Comment_118646125

thats the justification, not the reason.

Plenty of states require a much lower bar for ID or no ID at all. They don’t have a problem with voter fraud, no state actually has a problem with voter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118645026#Comment_118645026

My right wing troll sites? I think you are delusional. Integrity is anti democratic….that’s what the Kim dynasty in North Korea would say too. maybe it’s you that is reading troll sites.

arthursway

Oh No Joe say it ain't so.......

Biden and Trump for the first time at the exact same approval rating on the exact same day of their presedential terms, and Joe didn't have to insult anyone or send any mean tweets to get there.

How low Bidens will get is anyone's guess but it's worrying for the Dems as midterms approach and their leader can't inspire any confidence in the American People.

What do the Dems do?

Very unlikely any further of his major legislation will pass?

Remember this is the president with the most votes ever on the brink of becoming the most unpopular president ever in the space of a year.

But posters will try and convince us he's doing a good job and it's Fox news fault.

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118646400#Comment_118646400

The very first search result I got stated...

About 23.7 million Texans — nearly 83 percent of the state’s population — hold a Texas driver’s license or a DPS-issued identification card

That's from 2019 admittedly but it's newer than your 2017 data. Are you actively looking for something to confirm your assertation that poor people don't drive or hold ID?

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/2019/oct/license.php#:~:text=About%2023.7%20million%20Texans%20%E2%80%94%20nearly%2083%20percent,and%20identification%20cards%2C%20including%20issuance%2C%20renewals%20and%20replacements.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648236#Comment_118648236

And another search found a site not run by Texas that said only 18 million held licenses... So, what's the truth? Somewhere in between? some gaming of definitions?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/198029/total-number-of-us-licensed-drivers-by-state/

And, 'election integrity' nonsense is all about preventing people from voting. Texas is doing quite well at that (preventing, you know, the people they don't want to vote from voting): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/texas-new-restrictive-voting-law-reject-thousands-mail-in-ballots

arthursway

A quick Google search will show you:

80% of Americans support voter ID.

It's like the only thing the country can agree on these days and the Dems are still against it.

Says alot about the Democrats doesn't it, how anyone can support the democtatic Party at the moment is beyond me but different strokes for different folks I guess.

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648573#Comment_118648573

About 23.7 million Texans — nearly 83 percent of the state’s population — hold a Texas driver’s license or a DPS-issued identification card

That's 83% with a state issued ID.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648236#Comment_118648236

That's before we get to him proving that it would be difficult for "poor urban voters" in that other 17 percent to obtain a driving license or any other form of ID that allows them to vote

The bigotry of low expectations lol

Perhaps Texas should add Death Certificates as a form of voter ID 😂

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648604#Comment_118648604

I know, much better to support the party of Gaetz, MTG and Boobert. Such fine examples of Republicanism. What policies does the GOP have by the way?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648687#Comment_118648687

GQP: Everyone we want, should get an ID and vote, in ways that maximize our ability to control.

Democratic party: Everyone should be able to vote

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648803#Comment_118648803

80% of the nation are for voter IDs.

Only 20% of the nation said it's very confident in the countries elections.

Democrats don't want voter ID's.

Why dont Democrats want to restore confidence in elections?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648849#Comment_118648849

Link?

arthursway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648858#Comment_118648858

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_062121/

At the same time, fully 4 in 5 Americans (80%) support requiring voters to show photo identification in order to cast a ballot. Just 18% oppose this.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-faith-election-integrity-drops-poll/story?id=82069876

only 20% of the public saying it's very confident about the system, a new ABC/Ipsos poll finds. This is a significant drop from 37% in an ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted in the days after the insurrection last year.

There is no faith in us elections and the evidence is there.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648925#Comment_118648925

Nor do your polls show anything about voter ID being an improvement. Do you think they will be a reason that future insurrections cease to happen?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648925#Comment_118648925

And the reason for this loss of faith?

The constant lies from the GOP about Election integrity , because there's no loss of faith because of actual issues with voting as absolutely none have been found.

To be fair the GOP have done an outstanding job of embedding their lies about election fraud into the National psyche , but they are just that - Lies.

There isn't a shred of actual truth on any of the justifications they are putting forward for changing the laws around Elections.

So , we come back to the fundamental question - Why are they expending so much effort "fixing" problems that do not exist?

They aren't doing it for altruistic reasons , they clearly believe that it's in their interest to make all these changes - What I wonder, would be the benefits to all the changes , like closing polling places , limiting mail-in voting , limiting early voting on Sundays etc. etc. etc.?

Could it be that they feel that this will make it harder for people that typically don't support them to vote?

They are hardly seeking to make it harder for their own supporters to vote now are they?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648664#Comment_118648664

Here is the evidence you were looking for - From the ACLU

Voter identification laws are a part of an ongoing strategy to roll back decades of progress on voting rights. Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls. Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exceptions.

Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.

As I have said before , it's not the requirement for ID that's the issue , not at all - It's the very limited forms of ID that are acceptable. Compare the Texas list to the Irish list posted earlier.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648604#Comment_118648604

You’re either blind or intentionally missing the point. It’s not about ID specifically, it’s about how the type of ID is chosen. It’s chosen specifically to discriminate against demographics who lean Democrat

Celticfire

Limited forms of ID that 83% of the population of Texas have already. 25% of the population is under 18. Who are all these people that were denied votes. There must be 10's of thousands between the 34 states that have voter ID. Where are they and where are their stories.People need ID for the following,

1. Alcohol

2. Cigarettes

3. Opening a bank account

4. Apply for food stamps

5. Apply for welfare

6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security

7. Apply for unemployment or a job

8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage

9. Drive/buy/rent a car

10. Get on an airplane

11. Get married

12. Purchase a gun

13. Adopt a pet

14. Rent a hotel room

15. Apply for a hunting license

16. Apply for a fishing license

17. Buy a cell phone

18. Visit a casino

19. Pick up a prescription

20. Hold a rally or protest

21. Blood donations

22. Buy an "M" rated video game

23. Purchase nail polish at CVS

24. Purchase certain cold medicine

25 Anywhere a Covid cert is required.

Where was the uproar when Democratic states and cities required ID for people to be able to eat indoors?

Leroy42

Again, you are looking at this from the wrong way around.

For a country, indeed a party, that espouses freedom so much, they seem to take completely the other tact when it comes to voter id.

Without any shred of evidence, they are basically saying that everyone needs to prove themselves to avoid massive voter fraud.

So what is there aim? There is no evidence of voter fraud so that can't be it.

They have no problem with an insurrection attempting to overturn a legimate election, so election security and perception cannot be the reason.

They haven't put forward a legitimate reason why now, after so many years, they feel the electoral system is so unfit for purpose.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118648803#Comment_118648803

,,,even if not entitled to or deceased.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118650078#Comment_118650078

I'm sure you can back this up with evidence just like Donnie did... Oh wait.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118649083#Comment_118649083

That opinion, not evidence, and from the ACLU no less, not much credibility there

Now that your Texas example has been shot to peices, perhaps you and Brian might want to be specific about what demographic is incapable of obtaining the required forms of ID.

Manic Moran

Instead of focusing on the specific types of ID from the approved list, perhaps it makes more sense to observe that "for the purposes of this government activity, you must present a government ID". I can't think of a Texas ID which isn't accepted. It happens that a Texas License to Carry is in itself an ID, as is obvious if you compare one side to side with a driver's license or State ID. It has photo, height, weight, address, name etc.

For those who do not want to wait in line at a DPS office for a State ID, Texas also issues Election Identification Certificates. If you show up at DPS saying you want an EIC, you get put at the front of the line. Some DPS offices are open Saturdays and will issue nothing but EICs on those days. Counties also have the option of setting up their own EIC issuance stations, normally at the county elections office, but those are purely at the discretion of the county. Oddly, the counties which do so tend to be Republican.

If you're going to have a "Government ID" standard, Texas makes it about as easy as possible to do it.

Why does Ireland accept a lower standard? I don't know. I have also noticed that for Irish citizenship purposes, a signature of a priest, banker or school teacher is acceptable for verification (at least as of when i registered my daughter on the Foreign Births Registry a couple of years ago) . I suspect there is some holdover from the old days.

Igotadose

Why can't you vote by mail in Texas (and of course, Texas is one state of 50, they're all a bit different.)

In fact, the non-partisan Brennan center has taken issue with a lot of the new voter laws there: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/were-suing-texas-over-its-new-voter-suppression-law

Igotadose

Further, the argument that Voter ID solves anything "Integrity" related is, obviously, rebuffed by Texas. ID's are easy to get - ergo, more ID requirements won't increase perception of Integrity, which I believe based on what you see about Texas is very low.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118654124#Comment_118654124

My WA state CCP isn't accepted in Texas, which is weird. Harder to get in WA, I had to apply in person at the cop shop including being fingerprinted and a background check. Apparently if I have a Texas residence I can get one from Texas online, nice. Though I'd need some sort of local ID, which would let me vote in Texas though not by mail.

Ireland looks remarkably similar to Texas in this map of global postal voting. Green countries allow on demand postal voting, yellow allow it only in certain exceptions. Blue is no postal voting and orange is only allowed for citizens abroad.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118654452#Comment_118654452

So what’s your point exactly?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118654483#Comment_118654483

Most counties don’t allow mail in voting on demand and the ones that do have changed their rules pretty recently.