Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

DrPhilG

Well there was good and bad there for him. More bad to be honest.

The good:

It was better than the debate. He had 1 real howler for sure but overall not too many soundbites for Trump.

He gave a lot of detailed answers and sold himself as a successful President.

The bad:

Vice President Trump...

He rambled for ages, often nothing to do with the question.

As much as it was a good look to have done so long a presser, it's not a good look that every reporter was hand picked, and as we've seen recently there's a high liklihood that the questions were vetted if not issued by Biden's team.

The one unscripted question he faced, he cut and ran. He really needed to give a strong answer to that and he made a childish "well what about him" response and shuffled off.

the whole year inn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370146#Comment_122370146

Two or 3 major howlers , he didnt come across great, looked frail and weak .

I think he went on a bit on the pre planed questions but overall he wasnt as bad on them but it might aswell been a bag of sand talking , he had zero charisma.

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370156#Comment_122370156

I agree he looked weak, but 2 or 3 major howlers? I thought only the VP Trump one was really bad. Especially right after the Putin blunder a few hours before.

The rambling and "anyway" stuff is pretty standard.

Northernlily

There is no way anyone in their right mind thinks it is sane to run Biden as the Democrat presidential candidate at this point.

Its crazy not to mention inhumane the humiliation he is suffering on the world stage. He has completely lost it.

AbusesToilets

I thought it was a strong showing from Biden. He engaged with complex topics in detail, demonstrated a deep understanding of the issues and showed a stark comparison to Trump.

He's not getting younger and that's the issue that he has to grapple with.

everlast75

Things that apparently don't matter.

1) unblemished 8 years as VP

2) unblemished 4 years as POTUS

3) Restoring the US economy

4) Dealing with a global pandemic properly

5) Surrounding yourself with competent staff, as opposed to family members and grifters

6) Restoring the reputation of the US on the international stage

7) Being able to talk competently on difficult and complex US policy

8) Coming across as compassionate, hard working and trustworthy.

Apparently, when under immense pressure by your own colleagues and the US media, scrutinising your every word, making a mistake and immediately correcting your error is enough for your head to be called for.

Perhaps he should have called for a hurricane to be nuked, or said that windmills give you cancer, because that **** slides no problem at all.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370109#Comment_122370109

that is such a sad statement and probably inevitable for all of us

everlast75

This is the alternative when addressing the world stage...

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1811529537869742406

Yep, this guy is better... Definitely better!!!

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370278#Comment_122370278

He looks and sounds better and in an election that matters a lot. Biden looks frail and can barely speak without a teleprompter. Constantly getting names wrong. Either he steps aside or Trump wins.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370268#Comment_122370268

Biden is also lacking the convicted fraudster and rapist awards that are apparently vote winners. The Democrats would need to pardon and put forth Bill Cosby to appeal to voters it seems.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370175#Comment_122370175

If he was your father you wouldn't let him drive a car, use a knife or go to the shops by himself.

The poor man, needs to be let retire to a nice warm beach.

Dick phelan

Trumps failings and obvious evils won't matter when all the focus will be on Bidens cognitive decline. That's just the reality now, no amount of some Irish lad online howling about Trump like a maniac will change the fact that American voters are making it very clear Biden needs to drop out or Trump will win.

Hungry Burger

I suspect @Overheal will disappear now for a few days after Biden’s gaffes.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370268#Comment_122370268

That is all very true and in a normal situation should be the key points.

But Trump isn't a normal situation. We know that Trump is given special treatment by his supporters and his media supporters. His issues are baked in and simply accepted. 'What he actually meant' is a line thrown out all the time due to the massive amount of lies, mistakes and brain farts he has.

But. Biden positioned himself as the alternative to that. The serious politician that can beat Trump through clear, sane, and trustworthy talk and actions.

One can rage against the unfairness of the double standards, but the Dems were warmed about running HC and didn't listen and they are now facing the same decision over Biden.

Should his record be more than enough to squash Trump? 100%. But nobody is focused on his record. There will be no clips of his detaiked answers in the press conference but clips of him mixing up Putin and Zelensky will be everywhere.

It's not fair but that is the situation they find themselves in. Dems, and Biden, need to stop wishing they were in a different fight and face the reality of the fight they are in.

Biden has done a great job. He has served his country well. But right now the biggest threat to US is Trump - at least the US that the dems would like. Biden needs to acknowledge and accept that him staying in the race allows the conversation to be about his issues rather than focusing on Trump.

Trump has had a free ride since the debate. His catalogue of lies during the debate has been completely forgotten due to Biden performance. And since then, despite numerous attempts at a reset, Biden continues to provide evidence that he is struggling.

He needs to step aside. He needs to acknowledge that he too old. He might not think it, but everyone else does.

The problem for Biden is that everyone is waiting for the next gaff. They aren't listening to what he is saying. He could talk for 10 hours and solve all the world's problems but as soon as he tries to walk off left instead of right the clip is in the bank. Doddery old Biden can't remember where the door is.

That isn't going to change.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370391#Comment_122370391

"But nobody is focused on his record. There will be no clips of his detailed answers in the press conference but clips of him mixing up Putin and Zelensky will be everywhere."

Agreed, and whose fault is this?

The media here are more interested in gaffes than policy and the stuff that really matters.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370079#Comment_122370079

In the early days of the US, Trump would be vice president… the VP went to whoever got 2nd highest number of electoral college votes for Presidency. So you had Federalist Adams with Jefferson from a different party as his VP.

Tis a pity he didn't mix up Trump and Putin. Not even lucky in his gaffes.

nigeldaniel

With the amount of overall harassment and vain-like digs from his own side, it's no wonder Joe is falling over a few words. He would not be blundering like this if he were not under so much consistent stress. I still think Joe is better than the following-up lot. The US political system as a whole is falling into satire. It would not surprise me if the darkhorse Kennedy gives Don-Don and Joe a run for their money.

As for CNN the one-time pro-Joe, they have smelled the money like Fox and co.

silverharp

how do the media talk themselves out of this situation? , "the dogs on the street" knew there was something up with Biden for years, its such a funny year

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370511#Comment_122370511

They may well have been in denial even to themselves just how much Biden had gone downhill mentally. That debate seemed to come as a shock to everyone in the US……nobody anticipated that he would struggle to such a degree, it was worse than anyone expected.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370418#Comment_122370418

The problem isn’t his record. It’s good, but we aren’t electing a person to do the last four years, we are electing him for the next four years, and what matters is his prospective record.

There are now legitimate concerns that he is capable of doing as well in the future as he has in the past. As the investments adverts keep saying, past performance is no guarantee of future gains. Sure, most of his policies will be continued in the same vein by a cabal of handlers and aids (assuming folks will be OK with in effect electing a cabal behind a figurehead), but his advisors and handlers aren’t going to be sitting in the “United States” seat in major meetings on policy with other nations for the next four years as Biden has been this week. An old man whose sharpness is apparently being dulled by time is in that seat and is proposed to stay in it. That is an issue, Trump or no Trump.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370268#Comment_122370268

Maybe.. but his time is up. Everyone needs to know when it's time to go.

sock.rocker*

I think the debate being so early might be because of his team deciding to get it out of the way before he deteriorates more, so at least there is one in the bag in case he doesn't do one closer to the vote.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370268#Comment_122370268

So why are an increasing amount of Democrats, his very own party, asking him to stand aside?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370278#Comment_122370278

Trump thread —-> that way.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370565#Comment_122370565

The alternative is electing a dictator who has established he will have presidential immunity for whatever he wants to do:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1811203755905360308

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370418#Comment_122370418

The media here are more interested in gaffes than policy and the stuff that really matters.

This is an interesting point but it is one the Democrats and the Progressive order in the US have made for themselves.

The emergence of Trump in 2016 was a goldmine for corporate news media in the US. He made them billions given the coverage he entailed.

Now, in 2024 Trump is seen rightly or wrongly as a dictator in waiting. I am not so sure that is the case, but many in the US believe it and the US media are going to portray Trump as a monster in waiting.

Now we have clear evidence that Biden is failing cognitively and the media are also panicking about Trump being a shoo-in.

In other words, the Democrats and Biden cant complain about unfair coverage given they created that monster in the first place.

You got to suck it up.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370689#Comment_122370689

That is a nice bit of fiction.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370689#Comment_122370689

Or finding a replacement candidate. There are still a few months before the election and it’s a nation of, what, 360 million people. There has to be at least one registered Democrat who would be better. However, I happen to believe that a Trump presidency is not going to be the end of our representative republic so if the Democrats continue to balls this up and lose as a result, so be it.

StevenToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370689#Comment_122370689

They left out the bit where Trump adds himself onto Mount Rushmore.....

If you want to stop Trump, put someone credible up against him.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122370689#Comment_122370689

It's not the alternative. Reminder: the people who want Biden to step aside want trump to lose. People want a replacement to beat trump, the worry is that Biden will lose.