Fundraiser for student nurses

weisses

Boe Jiden wrote: »

What makes nurses so special?

Ask again after having your colonoscopy

Mimon

What about nursing aids in nursing homes who will earn a pittance compared to a nurse and generally without the perks of being in a union, nice pension etc.

weisses

Boe Jiden wrote: »

Why don't I ask the lads in the ESB who provide the electricity as well?

I would if I were you... you don't want a blackout while having a probe up your arse

virginmediapls

Boe Jiden wrote: »

What makes nurses so special?

Your pay should scale upwards as (a) stress (b) level of responsibility (c) level of knowledge required goes upwards. Nurses have the most stress of any job, the highest level of responsbility - often taking on upwards of 20 patients by themselves straight out of college, and they require a level 8 degree to work. The fact that they are on the extreme upper-end of all of these metrics cannot possibly be refuted. They are absolutely not offered renumeration in line with this.

This is not even taking into account the fact that they have to deal with death every single day, often have to work incredibly long hours for no pay, put themselves and their family in danger by working in close proximity to diseases - especially during the current pandemic. There's also the fact that they are forced to work within a system which is completely unfit for purpose (the HSE), their job is incredibly high-stress, they generally dont have regular working hours, they need to deal with all sorts of imbecilic gowls not just limited to the normal gowls you see walking around the place - gowls with mental health issues, gowls with gammy bowels and urinary systems who will **** and piss all over them, gowls with anger issues who will endeavour to hurt them without a moments notice, gowls who are suffering from dementia and think it is socially acceptable to try and sexually harrass them at any time during the day. Do I need to go on?

When's the last time you got punched/shat on/pissed on/sexually harrassed at work? If you did, I'm sure you'd kick up a big fuss. For most nurses this isn't just a story - its a weekly occurance (daily on some wards). They work within a system which has allowed, and continues to allow this to happen - and it has done for decades. And they shouldn't be treated differently/thanked for their hard work? Especially after the past year? Get over yourself.

I am not a nurse. I am one of the myriad of posters here who has the free time during my job to post up my thoughts on here. You will notice that there are no nurses replying to this post during their shift with such a privilege.

Frankly, anyone who is speaking out against them getting paid more, or paying student nurses is, in my view, either (a) not educated/does not have enough exposure to the job/responsbilities of a nurse or (b) is a ****. The latter is far more common on this board and within this post.

weisses

Mimon wrote: »

What about nursing aids in nursing homes who will earn a pittance compared to a nurse and generally without the perks of being in a union, nice pension etc.

Agree.. pay is awful for HCA'S in nursing homes... it's the main reason for the high turnover of staff which leads to a lower quality of care imho

givyjoe

virginmediapls wrote: »

Your pay should scale upwards as (a) stress (b) level of responsibility (c) level of knowledge required goes upwards. Nurses have the most stress of any job, the highest level of responsbility - often taking on upwards of 20 patients by themselves straight out of college, and they require a level 8 degree to work. The fact that they are on the extreme upper-end of all of these metrics cannot possibly be refuted. They are absolutely not offered renumeration in line with this.

This is not even taking into account the fact that they have to deal with death every single day, often have to work incredibly long hours for no pay, put themselves and their family in danger by working in close proximity to diseases - especially during the current pandemic. There's also the fact that they are forced to work within a system which is completely unfit for purpose (the HSE), their job is incredibly high-stress, they generally dont have regular working hours, they need to deal with all sorts of imbecilic gowls not just limited to the normal gowls you see walking around the place - gowls with mental health issues, gowls with gammy bowels and urinary systems who will **** and piss all over them, gowls with anger issues who will endeavour to hurt them without a moments notice, gowls who are suffering from dementia and think it is socially acceptable to try and sexually harrass them at any time during the day. Do I need to go on?

I am not a nurse. I am one of the myriad of posters here who has the free time during my job to post up my thoughts on here. You will notice that there are no nurses replying during their shift with such a privilege.

Frankly, anyone who is speaking out against them getting paid more, or paying student nurses is, in my view, either (a) not educated/does not have enough exposure to the job/responsbilities of a nurse or (b) is a ****. The latter is far more common on this board.

Eh, I dont think that's true even restricted to just medical jobs. I'd say anaesthetists would argue otherwise considering what an extreme delicate balancing act their role is, and the implications of them making a mistake.

The other parts of post are also quite strange contradictory, you state you're not a nurse and just posting your opinion, earlier say your points cannot be refuted then go on to say anyone who disagrees with your POV is uneducated on the matter or a ***/something not complimentary. Strange post altogether.

Mimon

weisses wrote: »

Agree.. pay is awful for HCA'S in nursing homes... it's the main reason for the high turnover of staff which leads to a lower quality of care imho

My sister had to quit as she tried her best to bring to managements attention the neglect imposed on the residents by some of her colleagues.

There was a clique who would bully anyone who stood up to them. This clique for example would leave residents in dirty nappies all night for the day shift to sort out.

Management ignored it.

If you are doing a carers job properly it is harder than what most nurses have to deal with.

the beer revolu

virginmediapls wrote: »

Your pay should scale upwards as (a) stress (b) level of responsibility (c) level of knowledge required goes upwards. Nurses have the most stress of any job, the highest level of responsbility - often taking on upwards of 20 patients by themselves straight out of college, and they require a level 8 degree to work. The fact that they are on the extreme upper-end of all of these metrics cannot possibly be refuted. They are absolutely not offered renumeration in line with this.

This is not even taking into account the fact that they have to deal with death every single day, often have to work incredibly long hours for no pay, put themselves and their family in danger by working in close proximity to diseases - especially during the current pandemic. There's also the fact that they are forced to work within a system which is completely unfit for purpose (the HSE), their job is incredibly high-stress, they generally dont have regular working hours, they need to deal with all sorts of imbecilic gowls not just limited to the normal gowls you see walking around the place - gowls with mental health issues, gowls with gammy bowels and urinary systems who will **** and piss all over them, gowls with anger issues who will endeavour to hurt them without a moments notice, gowls who are suffering from dementia and think it is socially acceptable to try and sexually harrass them at any time during the day. Do I need to go on?

When's the last time you got punched/shat on/pissed on/sexually harrassed at work? If you did, I'm sure you'd kick up a big fuss. For most nurses this isn't just a story - its a weekly occurance (daily on some wards). They work within a system which has allowed, and continues to allow this to happen - and it has done for decades. And they shouldn't be treated differently/thanked for their hard work? Especially after the past year? Get over yourself.

I am not a nurse. I am one of the myriad of posters here who has the free time during my job to post up my thoughts on here. You will notice that there are no nurses replying to this post during their shift with such a privilege.

Frankly, anyone who is speaking out against them getting paid more, or paying student nurses is, in my view, either (a) not educated/does not have enough exposure to the job/responsbilities of a nurse or (b) is a ****. The latter is far more common on this board and within this post.

Arguing that nurses are underpaid generally, compared to other professionals, is a whole different argument.
That is not what is being discussed.

Also a lot of your "facts" are merely opinions.

stoneill

Student Nurse Only Fans - that would work.

Paulzx

givyjoe wrote: »

The point is those folks can work just as effectively from home, teachers cannot, no matter how hard they work.

I'd like to know your alternative. What exactly do you want them to do? You seem highly critical that some teachers are not putting in the effort while teaching remotley yet you then say that they can't work effectively from home. There seems to be a contradiction there.

What exactly do you want the education system to do?

Paulzx

givyjoe wrote: »

That's completely and utterly irrelevant and down to managers to sort out, it's fairly easy to spot. You either do work or you dont, you have output to show your boss or you dont. The point is those folks can work just as effectively from home, teachers cannot, no matter how hard they work. Whether they (non teachers) choose to or not is a different story but there's also a consequence if they dont. There seems to be absolutely no consequences for teachers who choose to not bother their arse.

What are the consequences for workers who are not showing sufficent work for their "boss"

Mimon

Mimon wrote: »

What about nursing aids in nursing homes who will earn a pittance compared to a nurse and generally without the perks of being in a union, nice pension etc.

OP here. Include those nurses.

There is no way our frontline workers should be on bread and water.


The country took no time in organising the PUP payments for so many people.

You would think it should be pretty easy to make sure our nursing staff are well looked after, students or not, they are working in a dangerous environment, looking after some of our friends and relatives.

Amirani

virginmediapls wrote: »

I am not a nurse. I am one of the myriad of posters here who has the free time during my job to post up my thoughts on here. You will notice that there are no nurses replying to this post during their shift with such a privilege.

You must not know many nurses. I know plenty and they'd be posting on Instagram/Twitter/Snapchat etc. during downtime in their shifts just like anyone else.

Nurses are great and do great work, but to suggest they work 12 hours straight every shift without downtime is false.

OP here again.... What about an online concert, the same idea as Self Aid in 1986?

20 top Irish acts on at different intervals with an online donate button to a Paypal account registered to the Irish Nursing Union (for example).

Another idea would be an online Irish comedy festival.

givyjoe

Paulzx wrote: »

What are the consequences for workers who are not showing sufficent work for their "boss"

Are you taking the p1ss? Do you really need this explained to you? The exact same consequences if they don't do any work, while in the office. .

givyjoe

Paulzx wrote: »

I'd like to know your alternative. What exactly do you want them to do? You seem highly critical that some teachers are not putting in the effort while teaching remotley yet you then say that they can't work effectively from home. There seems to be a contradiction there.

What exactly do you want the education system to do?

Not sure why you find this complicated and how you see a contradiction. Of course I/and thousands of others are critical of the teachers who aren't doing their best, they're easy to identify because other teachers in the same schools are clearly making efforts others are not. A teacher not being arsed to do their best remotely can obviously have a seriously negative impact on their students education, a private sector working not being arsed, who does that impact? The latter is also relatively easily dealt with. What, if anything, is being done by schools or the Dept of Ed to ensure some kind of quality control/standardization of remote learning?

Do you actually believe that teachers, even the good ones who are making the effort.. can provide the same quality of educational experience remotely, as they could in the classroom? If there is no difference in quality in remote v school, then why was the LC cancelled last year and why are they calls for it be cancelled again?

The alternative is going back to doing the job where it's intended to take place. Teachers simply cannot provide the same level of education, no matter how good they are, remotely. You seem to be taking statement of the obvious awfully personally. I and many, many private sector workers don't have a problem doing the same job, to the same standard remotely. If we can't, our business suffers, or we ourselves won't, I'm sure our employers won't be slow addressing our laziness/apathy.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

OP here again.... What about an online concert, the same idea as Self Aid in 1986?

20 top Irish acts on at different intervals with an online donate button to a Paypal account registered to the Irish Nursing Union (for example).

Another idea would be an online Irish comedy festival.

the other thing is that a charity donation from a business is a tax write off for them.

If a company donates €250 or more in a year, the company can claim a tax deduction as if the donation was a trading expense. There is a four year time limit for making a claim under this scheme.

noodler

2lazytogetup wrote: »

nurses are a funny bunch.

Talk to a 17year old putting nursing as first choice on the CAO. EVeryone warns them and tells them its tough work and the pay isn't great. But they are idealists and want to help people.

So they become nurses, and after a few years of caring, their priorities change, family, mortgage etc, and they realise they need money.

So they go on strike for more money. and the government hates giving into them cause when they do, gardai and teachers union will go on strike too seeing the nurses got more. And its hard for the government to say no, cause everyone loves nursese, even pre covid. just talk to anyone going into hospital and they are so grateful of the hard work they do.

its a catch-22. i do think a full report is needed. dont think one example of a nurse saying she has no phone credit as she needed to pay for a bus to work should decide Irelands public sector pay policy.

The average nurse salary is not bad at all.

Now Nurse is obviously a broad category but there is way too much focus on Student Nurses (who are students) and the nurse salary of a starting nurse.

Nurses have received increments and pay increases along with the rest of the public sector as well as their own specific sectoral pay agreement two years ago.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

Excellent idea, OP.

They should be paid a full wage when on work experience at the best of times, but not being paid a full wage during a pandemic...a scandal. Absolutely shameful.

There should be a payment. 100 euro ballpark per week on top of their covid payment would be good.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/student-nurses-should-be-paid-100-per-week-during-pandemic-report-recommends-1.4450037

gctest50

virginmediapls wrote: »

.............Nurses have the most stress of any job, the highest level of responsbility - often taking on upwards of 20 patients by themselves........

Utter bull.. Pilots, aircraft mechs etc will have the blood of hundreds on their hands if they get it wrong




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Same goes for engineers, pipeline welder and many many more

The most Nurse Newbie is going to kill of a night is 1 or 2

Sonic the Shaghog

silver2020 wrote: »

Remember these students get near free excellent training through college.

They also get allowances - both travel & accommadation

They also get their grants (like most students)

Final year nursing students who do some clinical work get about 20k a year.

Those not in final year do very basic "minding" work when on placements.


Next student gardai will want payment (that is as sure as night following day), student teachers (100% certain too).

Sure feck it, lets pay all students massive salaries whilst in college + grants + allowances + free education. - Who's volunteering a 5% increase in PAYE and the dropping of tax allowances of about 20% to pay for this?


The nursing union have some very good mouthpieces and far topo many people believe every word out of the union's mouth with questioning it. they play the sympathy card as well as those sh1te ads on tv for concern, trocaire and dogs trust.

Even better if this pay the student nurses a proper wage worked out watch the shock when the government cut down further on the number qualified nursing posts when they have a constant stream of trainees every year

noodler

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

Even better if this pay the student nurses a proper wage worked out watch the shock when the government cut down further on the number qualified nursing posts when they have a constant stream of trainees every year

Go to the HSE website.

Check out the latest staffing figures. Show me a decrease in nurses over the last five years.

Edgware

noodler wrote: »

Go to the HSE website.

Check out the latest staffing figures. Show me a decrease in nurses over the last five years.

Ah stop FFS! You are letting truth get in the way of propaganda.
Everyone knows the nurses are great. Aren't they front line heroes?