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Lord Mayor of Dublin harassed at her home by protesters

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    #122
    GarIT
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    after the knife man died a huge amount of anger out there that there is no direct way the electorate can remove chu from the position of Lord Mayor.

    How was she installed as Lord Mayor in the first place - Grubby dealings behind the scenes in city hall?

    She was voted for by the elected councillors legitimately like anyone else.


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    #123
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm 100% against the protesters...........but...............the protesters were in a public place weren't they? So private residence or not, the protesters (wrong as they are) have a right to protest in a public place.

    Protest, or harass?


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    #124
    Beechwoodspark
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    GarIT wrote: »
    She was voted for by the elected councillors legitimately like anyone else.

    Is there any way to remove a Lord Mayor by the electorate?


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    #125
    dennispenn
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    Chu up next on Claire Byrne


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    #126
    [Deleted User]
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    I think calling that building her home is a stretch just to sell the piece and I cannot stand her based on how she handles her business on twtter alone, she's not very bright in my opinion.

    However, Pennsylvania avenue was Trumps address for the last 4 years, 10 downing street is Johnsons at this point in time, if they sleep there, technically it's their home isn't it? as paul young says, "wherever I lay my hat...."


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    #127
    GarIT
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Is there any way to remove a Lord Mayor by the electorate?

    Not that I'm aware of. Their job is to control the order of business and be the deciding vote of the council. And sort of the public face of the council. I don't think theres too much point in the public picking them.

    Wasn't there a vote on that actually that failed a while ago to have a directly elected mayor?


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    #128
    Beechwoodspark
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    Personally I think labelling the mansion house as her “home” is unfortunate. Little bit misleading. It’s the official residence of the Lord Mayor - she happens to be the current occupier of that role.

    Not sure why it was presented as if it was her own personal home in the Piece.


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    #129
    dan1895
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    after the knife man died a huge amount of anger out there that there is no direct way the electorate can remove chu from the position of Lord Mayor.

    How was she installed as Lord Mayor in the first place - Grubby dealings behind the scenes in city hall?

    Again, what has that got to do with face masks?


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    #130
    Invidious
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    However, Pennsylvania avenue was Trumps address for the last 4 years, 10 downing street is Johnsons at this point in time, if they sleep there, technically it's their home isn't it?

    The White House and 10 Downing Street are entirely different cases from the Mansion House, apparently, because, erm, [insert convoluted logic here]


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    #131
    Beechwoodspark
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    Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

    Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

    Chu seems to be against protest full stop


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    #132
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Personally I think labelling the mansion house as her “home” is unfortunate. Little bit misleading. It’s the official residence of the Lord Mayor - she happens to be the current occupier of that role.

    Not sure why it was presented as if it was her own personal home in the Piece.

    How so?


    It is the official residence (home?) of the lord mayor, she is currently the lord mayor, so it's her residence (home).



    What kind of mental backflipping is going on here....


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    #133
    Annasopra
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Was it a violent protest?

    Sounds like intimidation and harassment the way its described.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #134
    suicide_circus
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Should it be illegal to protest outside the Mansion House?
    Anyone? Howabout the Aras?


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    #135
    dan1895
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    Invidious wrote: »
    The White House and 10 Downing Street are entirely different cases from the Mansion House, apparently, because, erm, [insert convoluted logic here]

    The large security railings and space between the front door and the main road. That's the difference.


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    #136
    GarIT
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone? Howabout the Aras?

    To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

    Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.


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    #137
    KaneToad
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

    Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

    Chu seems to be against protest full stop

    But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.


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    #138
    Beechwoodspark
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    I would say to the Lord Mayor - as a democrat you should be fully behind the public’s legitimate right to protest and to accept that is part and parcel of being in a liberal democracy.

    Don’t try to shut down protest. Protest has led to some great social changes over the years.


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    #139
    suicide_circus
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    GarIT wrote: »
    To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

    Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.
    Interesting


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    #140
    BattleCorp
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Protest, or harass?

    I think the fact that the protesters had a placard that said "Our Lives Matter", clearly a play on BLM, means that the protesters weren't really there because of masks. Anyway............back to your question.

    Most protesters are there to cause a nusiance. So many protests can lead to people being harassed. That said, Chu didn't get too much harassment. Approached by 5 people, one asked to shake her hand, two stood close to her and they asked her why she was wearing a mask. Not the greatest instance of harassment ever. But still, the protesters are absolute ar5eholes.


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    #141
    beakerjoe
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.

    Thats a stupid thing to do in these covid times.

    But its not the point, they shouldnt be outside her house where her kids live.

    These Anti Mask idiots are the most selfish fools around so I expect dumb situations like this from them.


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    #142
    riffmongous
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Anyone? Howabout the Aras?

    A registered and approved protest, sure why not? One with a clearly defined time and duration, a Garda presence, and an actual reason why they are there and what it's got to do with the office of the mayor


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    #143
    ohnonotgmail
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Bit startling how a public rep like chu is labelling the protest as “abuse”

    Even clare Byrne said they were “perfectly entitled” to protest.

    Chu seems to be against protest full stop

    The protest seemed to be very personalised against her specifically. and protesting about wearing masks to someone that has no control over that is a bit odd.


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    #144
    suicide_circus
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    A registered and approved protest, sure why not? One with a clearly defined time and duration, a Garda presence, and an actual reason why they are there and what it's got to do with the office of the mayor

    The best kind of protest


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    #145
    Invidious
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    beakerjoe wrote: »
    But its not the point, they shouldnt be outside her house where her kids live.

    She doesn't have "kids" — she has one daughter, who was in a creche at the time.


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    #146
    mariaalice
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    But Chu herself attended a mass protest/rally in contravention of the Covid restrictions.

    Every citizen is entitled to protest but personally, I would limit it to outside council offices, Dáil and Seanad Éireann, and the like. Protests should be about the issue and not the person that is very important.

    The official resident/work thing is semantics


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    #147
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think the fact that the protesters had a placard that said "Our Lives Matter", clearly a play on BLM, means that the protesters weren't really there because of masks. Anyway............back to your question.

    Most protesters are there to cause a nusiance. So many protests can lead to people being harassed. That said, Chu didn't get too much harassment. Approached by 5 people, one asked to shake her hand, two stood close to her and they asked her why she was wearing a mask. Not the greatest instance of harassment ever. But still, the protesters are absolute ar5eholes.

    so you agree that it's not protesting but is harassment, but only kinda harassment?

    We definitely agree on the orifices.


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    #148
    WrenBoy
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    GarIT wrote: »
    To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

    Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

    Why not a disused field in Wexford instead ??
    I think that would be best then no one would be bothered by the Protest.


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    #149
    An Ri rua
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    GarIT wrote: »
    To be honest I'd like if we made a protestors square, and banned protesting outside of protestors square.

    Could make use of the pedestrianised Dame Street and confine protestors to there.

    Don't be so square, dude. Power to the people... :D


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    #150
    hot buttered scones
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    Fair enough, the Mansion House is a public building as well as the residence of the Lord Mayor. It makes sense that you should be able to protest outside it as it is a public building. However the protestors should also be aware that it is also a residence and behave accordingly and not in a way that intimidates the residents. However I fail to see any connection between the current Lord Mayor and masks. If the protest was regarding something the Lord Mayor had said or done then that would be different. The Lord Mayor is a purely ceremonial role afaik. What power does she have to change anything that the protest was about? None. What part did she have to play in forming the legislation regarding masks? None. It was a pointless excercise. If people have a problem with the government then go protest outside the relevant Government Department or the Dáil. If you have an issue with Dublin City Council then go protest outside the Council offices.


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    #151
    Annasopra
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I would say to the Lord Mayor - as a democrat you should be fully behind the public’s legitimate right to protest and to accept that is part and parcel of being in a liberal democracy.

    Don’t try to shut down protest. Protest has led to some great social changes over the years.

    I think there is a difference between legitimate protest and harassment/intimidation. The fact the gardai stepped shows this stepped over the line.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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