Google threatens to pull out of Australia

10000maniacs

Hmmm. The Australian Government has demanded that Google passes on some of it's profits to Australian media.
I don't get this. It's like a Government demanding that a building firm pass on some of it's profits to a department store because the store is struggling.

https://news.yahoo.com/google-threatens-shut-down-search-080849193.html

Mic 1972

Australia sounds like the smartest country in the world at the moment

Gradius

If you worked all month, yet someone else got paid for your effort...would you be happy with that?

Screw these tech companies, practically no redeeming qualities at all. Advertising salesmen, nothing more, lots less!

odyssey06

Gradius wrote: »

If you worked all month, yet someone else got paid for your effort...would you be happy with that?

Screw these tech companies, practically no redeeming qualities at all. Advertising salesmen, nothing more, lots less!

I've no idea what this post means.

If they are advertising salesmen... who is getting the money from the products bought?
Who is paying for the advertising and why?

Gradius

odyssey06 wrote: »

I've no idea what this post means.

If they are advertising salesmen... who is getting the money from the products bought?
Who is paying for the advertising and why?

They sell advertising space and your privacy to make money.

Hence "advertising salesmen".

Irishphotodesk

10000maniacs wrote: »

Hmmm. The Australian Government has demanded that Google passes on some of it's profits to Australian media.
I don't get this. It's like a Government demanding that a building firm pass on some of it's profits to a department store because the store is struggling.

https://news.yahoo.com/google-threatens-shut-down-search-080849193.html

A lot of what Google does involves information scraping, journalists often spend days and weeks researching a story, verifying details, double checking , triple checking, and eventually the story is passed by legal and published on the publication website, then seconds later news aggregation websites - I believe in some cases powered/facilitated by google.

So ... Yes, I agree that Google should pay the people that create news (if my recollection is correct they are supposed to be doing this in Europe soon)

10000maniacs

Gradius wrote: »

They sell advertising space and your privacy to make money.

Hence "advertising salesmen".

Maybe I am missing something here, but why does Australian media deserve anything from Googles pie?
Because people use links on Google to get to free news websites?

frozenfrozen

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

A lot of what Google does involves information scraping, journalists often spend days and weeks researching a story, verifying details, double checking , triple checking, and eventually the story is passed by legal and published on the publication website, then seconds later news aggregation websites - I believe in some cases powered/facilitated by google.

So ... Yes, I agree that Google should pay the people that create news (if my recollection is correct they are supposed to be doing this in Europe soon)

you're right. There needs to be some new technology where you have to account for who owns each piece of content on your website, all text and images should be properly tagged with who paid for it and it should be very easy to trace who did the first copy pasting. and if that info isn't there then it should be penalised heavily on its placement on search engines

Overheal

Australia should be careful - google's pull-out game is strong.

10000maniacs

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

A lot of what Google does involves information scraping, journalists often spend days and weeks researching a story, verifying details, double checking , triple checking, and eventually the story is passed by legal and published on the publication website, then seconds later news aggregation websites - I believe in some cases powered/facilitated by google.

So ... Yes, I agree that Google should pay the people that create news (if my recollection is correct they are supposed to be doing this in Europe soon)

A bit like the anger when the spinning jenny replaced manual workers so.

francois

Call their bluff. The French have already made them cough up.

Gruffalux

The faster Time Berners Lee builds and rolls out the independent internet, where users control their own data, the better.

https://inrupt.com/
https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/08/tim-berners-lees-startup-inrupt-releases-solid-privacy-platform-for-enterprises/
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/tim-berners-lee-expands-inrupt-team-open-source-web

francois

10000maniacs wrote: »

A bit like the anger when the spinning jenny replaced manual workers so.

Poor analogy.

Gradius

10000maniacs wrote: »

Maybe I am missing something here, but why does Australian media deserve anything from Googles pie?
Because people use links on Google to get to free news websites?

An actual journalist creates a piece of journalism, say.

Google and the usual suspects take that journalism for free.

People use Google to read the journalism, and the journalist loses out.

Google uses the journalists work to attract people, then off the basis of viewership, they then sell advertising.

Is that clear enough?

Leeches basically, like all these "tech" ideas such as just eat and the like...they profit by inserting themselves in-between workers and consumers, with pretty much fook-all benefit to anyone besides themselves.

10000maniacs

Gradius wrote: »

An actual journalist creates a piece of journalism, say.

Google and the usual suspects take that journalism for free.

People use Google to read the journalism, and the journalist loses out.

Google uses the journalists work to attract people, then off the basis of viewership, they then sell advertising.

Is that clear enough?

Leeches basically, like all these "tech" ideas such as just eat and the like...they profit by inserting themselves in-between workers and consumers, with pretty much fook-all benefit to anyone besides themselves.

Not really. All that journalists need to do to find out their true worth is by placing a paywall around their site. If the paywalled newspaper then has a link in Google or other places on the internet, then they will quickly know how good they are as journalists if the money starts rolling in or not.

Gradius

10000maniacs wrote: »

Not really. All that journalists need to do to find out their true worth is by placing a paywall around their site. If the paywalled newspaper then has a link in Google or other places on the internet, then they will quickly know how good they are as journalists if the money starts rolling in or not.

Good idea!

Let's put a paywall around Google and prevent them from profiting off other people...and then we'll know their true worth.

You'll find out quick enough that something that produces nothing is, in actual fact, worth nothing.

Leeches.

10000maniacs

Gradius wrote: »

Good idea!

Let's put a paywall around Google and prevent them from profiting off other people...and then we'll know their true worth.

You'll find out quick enough that something that produces nothing is, in actual fact, worth nothing.

Leeches.

Or give manual workers free shares in the spinning jenny.

odyssey06

When I search on google and click the link to a news article, should the destination site give a kickback to Google or be delisted?
There's times when I just scan the results, balanced out by the times I follow the link through to the full article.

Good luck finding anything with Bing!