Superbowl LV Thread: Chiefs v Buccaneers (MOD Note Post #1)

fryup

could Tom Brady play for Ireland in rugby by any chance?

ELM327

Delighted for TB and the bucs, as a pats fan.
I'd say this TB team have 1-2 more goes at this.

Deffo didnt see a blowout like that happening but hey, it made the game end quicker and let me get more sleep without missing anything :P

threeball

Left the game after Fornettes TD and seeing the result I'm glad I did. One of the least competitive SB's I've ever seen. The Chiefs didn't manage a single drive to worry the Buccs the whole game. Really poor display on the biggest stage. The weekend put in a better performance. Buccs worked the gameplan to perfection. Worthy winners.

el Fenomeno

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Hard to see where the deniers go from here now that he has his ring without Bill.

After campaigning for Gronkowski, Fournette and Brown - all last night's TD scorers - the argument now becomes where do we rank Brady in the list of league GMs?

Man Vs ManUre

Xavi6 wrote: »

Tough watch from a Chiefs perspective. No point blaming the refs (even if there were some very questionable calls) as the Bucs dominated on both sides of the ball from the off. They nailed it and it never really was much of a contest.

Can’t stand Brady or Gronk but they’ve got the rings and will go again next year.



Lol, and why do you think he was throwing on the run passes all game? Come on now

Mahomes was excellent, comfortably the Chiefs’ MVP, and did everything he could. He was let down by some bad drops, indiscipline, and two missing linemen.

The positive to take is that this should only serve as motivation and I’m sure the Chiefs will be there or thereabouts again next year.

Lol yourself.
He was only their best player because all the others were so rubbish. And yes I understand that the Bucs defence were great.
USA Today said it was a Mahomes worst performance in his 4 years career. And they ranked this Super Bowl in position 47 out of 55 in terms of excitement. Unfortunately the great battle of Goat vs Kid didn’t happen because only 1 team turned up.

cosatron

I know brady will get allot of the plaudits and rightly so but f**k me Devon white has had some playoff run, int against Brees, dislodged the ball from aaron jones for a fumble and another int last night, can play the run, good in coverage and excellent speed. His going to be one of greats

lawred2

Xavi6 wrote: »

Tough watch from a Chiefs perspective. No point blaming the refs (even if there were some very questionable calls) as the Bucs dominated on both sides of the ball from the off. They nailed it and it never really was much of a contest.

Can’t stand Brady or Gronk but they’ve got the rings and will go again next year.



Lol, and why do you think he was throwing on the run passes all game? Come on now

Mahomes was excellent, comfortably the Chiefs’ MVP, and did everything he could. He was let down by some bad drops, indiscipline, and two missing linemen.

The positive to take is that this should only serve as motivation and I’m sure the Chiefs will be there or thereabouts again next year.

Never understand these sorts of sentiments...

cj maxx

threeball wrote: »

Left the game after Fornettes TD and seeing the result I'm glad I did. One of the least competitive SB's I've ever seen. The Chiefs didn't manage a single drive to worry the Buccs the whole game. Really poor display on the biggest stage. The weekend put in a better performance. Buccs worked the gameplan to perfection. Worthy winners.

The same here. KC never looked like making a game of it.

Itssoeasy

threeball wrote: »

Left the game after Fornettes TD and seeing the result I'm glad I did. One of the least competitive SB's I've ever seen. The Chiefs didn't manage a single drive to worry the Buccs the whole game. Really poor display on the biggest stage. The weekend put in a better performance. Buccs worked the gameplan to perfection. Worthy winners.

It was a very anti climactic fourth quarter actually. I mean it was 21 points for a while and never looked like it was changing.

Wombatman

I'd say that car crash on Friday night, involving Reed's son, was a massive distraction for the Chiefs and obviously Reed in particular. The son was the Chiefs linebacker coach. The crash left a 5 year old fighting for her life. He had drink on board apparently but no charges against him yet to be fair.

Itssoeasy

Wombatman wrote: »

I'd say that car crash on Friday night, involving Reed's son, was a massive distraction for the Chiefs and obviously Reed in particular. The son was the Chiefs linebacker coach. The crash left a 5 year old fighting for her life. He had drink on board apparently but no charges against him yet to be fair.

It probably didn’t help but doesn’t explain the poor performance of the chiefs offence. I mean I think myself and a few said it live, that half time was important because they weren’t even landing punts in the way you’d expect. I don’t know.

el Fenomeno

lawred2 wrote: »

Never understand these sorts of sentiments...

They've sent the Chiefs packing 2 out of the last 3 years in the playoffs. Understandable, really

thefa

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It probably didn’t help but doesn’t explain the poor performance of the chiefs offence. I mean I think myself and a few said it live, that half time was important because they weren’t even landing punts in the way you’d expect. I don’t know.

I agree. I definitely think there was likely an element of overconfidence from the chiefs. They’ve been there before, steamrolled teams and beat the Bucs handy early in the year far handier than the scoreline suggested. Sometimes they’ve only had to put it together for a quarter or so to beat teams. Bucs unsettled them early and they never got any rhythm. Couple the overconfidence with a Bucs team who seemed more hungry with a lot of players with something to prove. They just wore the chiefs down and were relentless.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

Never understand these sorts of sentiments...

You can’t understand why someone wouldn’t like a sports person? God what a grey and boring experience it would be if nobody did.

Trey13

Long time follower of the threat, first time posting.

It’s been a great year but felt that the game was a bit anti-climatic. The Chiefs missing two starters on the offensive line really hurt them and Mahomes was the most rushed quarterback in a SuperBowl, under pressure on 50% of his snaps. The Buccs defensive backs and linebackers, who have been excellent all year, were brilliant again. Maybe the Chiefs could have run it more but easy to say in hindsight.

The Buccs offense were efficient. Excellent run game and Fournette was brilliant. Brady got the three touchdowns and delighted for Gronk. AB, to his credit came back from all the off-field stuff and was an important piece in this offence. Penalties killed the Chiefs. Even their punter and special teams guys played poor.

Brady is the goat, no question. Can’t argue with 7 rings across 20+ years.

It’s been a great year, Sunday nights through covid have been bearable. Hopefully free agency and the draft heat up.

Xavi6

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Lol yourself.
He was only their best player because all the others were so rubbish. And yes I understand that the Bucs defence were great.
USA Today said it was a Mahomes worst performance in his 4 years career. And they ranked this Super Bowl in position 47 out of 55 in terms of excitement. Unfortunately the great battle of Goat vs Kid didn’t happen because only 1 team turned up.

He was the best player because he tried to make things happen and was let down by drops from players who normally make those catches all day and a second rate offensive line. To buy as much time as he did for receivers to try get open was crazy, there’s not many QBs who can do that.

Statistically it was a poor performance but that wasn’t necessarily Mahomes’ fault, there’s more to the game than raw numbers. If you watch it regularly you’ll know what I mean.

lawred2 wrote: »

Never understand these sorts of sentiments...

Why? Plenty of successful sports stars are very unlikeable people.

PhuckHugh

Xavi6 wrote: »

He was the best player because he tried to make things happen and was let down by drops from players who normally make those catches all day and a second rate offensive line. To buy as much time as he did for receivers to try get open was crazy, there’s not many QBs who can do that.

Statistically it was a poor performance but that wasn’t necessarily Mahomes’ fault, there’s more to the game than raw numbers. If you watch it regularly you’ll know what I mean.



Why? Plenty of successful sports stars are very unlikeable people.

Only the successful ones

thefa

lawred2 wrote: »

Never understand these sorts of sentiments...

Presume it’s dislike of repeated success.

About a decade ago, I would go for anybody else against the Pats. Took a few years to appreciate what Brady & Bill were pulling off in New England without having the greatest team.

Brady’s actually a likeable guy too. Been wrote off half a dozen times but still setting new standards for QB longevity and leadership. Won’t hear him calling himself the GOAT (Lebron) or show fake humility (Hamilton). Appreciates it’s a team game. Gronk is just goofy and likeable.

Oat23

thefa wrote: »

Brady’s actually a likeable guy too.

So likeable

lawred2

Xavi6 wrote: »

Why? Plenty of successful sports stars are very unlikeable people.

In my head I was being specific about Brady and Gronk.. There's not a whole lot there to possess such a intense dislike ..

Maybe I missed all the awful stuff that came with all the success

Wombatman

Oat23 wrote: »

So likeable

Half of the people in the US voted for Trump. It doesn't make them all 'bad people'. In the first election it was, anybody but Hillary, for many.

Oat23

Wombatman wrote: »

Half of the people in the US voted for Trump. It doesn't make them all 'bad people'. In the first election it was, anybody but Hillary, for many.

He has been a friend of Trump's for almost 20 years. The fact he keeps company like that says a lot about him. Donald Trump didn't suddenly become an a*sehole in 2016. He has always been one.

paulie21

Ah we've nothing else to have a dig at Brady so let's bring politics into it :rolleyes:

el Fenomeno

It's great. The Belichick argument is gone. The AFC East argument is gone. What now? Oh well, he supported Trump...and...and....Devin White and that defence...and...and....

Gratzi22

As a Bucs fan, that performance was the best I've seen over the last few years. Only small bit of disappointment was that Mike Evans didn't get a TD, he has been a great player for us. To celebrate, decided to get a small memento from the Bucs shop. The game programme was available with limited numbers, so ordered one. Original price was $18, but with shipping/tax/etc that total was $55. Worth it.

Felt a tad sorry for Mahomes as he put it a great individual performance but the Bucs defence were immense.

Roll on SB LVI.

Wombatman

Oat23 wrote: »

He has been a friend of Trump's for almost 20 years. The fact he keeps company like that says a lot about him. Donald Trump didn't suddenly become an a*sehole in 2016. He has always been one.

The reality is they barely knew each other. Brady did not go to the White House after winning SB 51 and Brady said he disagreed with Trump's suggestion that NFL players who knelt during the playing of the national anthem should be suspended or fired.

Haters gonna hate I guess.

Oat23

Wombatman wrote: »

The reality is they barely knew each other. Brady did not go to the White House after winning SB 51 and Brady said he disagreed with Trump's suggestion that NFL players who knelt during the playing of the national anthem should be suspended or fired.

Haters gonna hate I guess.

There's no hate. I'm just stating the facts. You say they barely knew each other, but while Brady won't publicly acknowledge his support of Trump's politics he said he 'supports him as a friend'. I don't know about you, but I don't consider people I barely know 'friends'. And if they barely know each other he would have no problem making it clear that he doesn't support him in any way.


Being a 1%'er, he probably voted for his friend. Twice.

Leroy42

Few points on the game last night.

Chiefs shat the bed. They were poor in almost every position. Sure the OL was impacted by injuries, but that is no reason for their punter to have a mare. Of for Kelcee to drop passes, or Hill to be almost totally ineffectual.

Their defence made a great goal-line stand, that should have lifted the entire team and got the offence moving, but they ended up punting and the Bucs got their TD anyway. All it did was delay the score.

They failed to keep Brady out just before HT. Crucial. Calling that Time out was insane. They obviously felt they could get the ball back and score, but the previous 29 minutes of football should have shown that even if they got the ball back, the chance of then scoring was remote and so the better option was to stop the Bucs from taking advantage of the momentum. Hubris, pure and simple.

Mahomes, as great an entertainer and talent that he is, failed to drive his team when it needed him the most. Yes, the rest of the team played badly, but that is when great players really make the difference. They adapt and take what they can get. Brady has built his entire career on that. Instead, Mahomes was always looking for the great play, the highlight reel. (I am not suggesting he was doing to for himself btw). What he needed, what the team needed, was a steady hand, a series of 5 yard passes. They managed it a few times to move down the field but then would not be able to get it done. And Mahomes would run 20 years backwards trying to eek out the TD pass when a quick 3 or 4 yard dump would have kept the Bucs guessing.

No doubt Mahomes will learn from this, he certainly learned from the last time Brady beat him in the AFC game.

My feeling as that the Bucs knew they had to play the game of their lives to have a chance. KC seems to think they just needed to turn up.

Very disappointing from KC, a massive missed opportunity to repeat.

adrian522

I think ultimately the Chiefs didn't really do enough to support their backup tackles. Early on they tried to go with a quick passing game but once they got behind that all went out the window, they should have kept a TE or RB back to help with pass blocking but I guess hindsight is 20/20

I didn't really understand people who said the chiefs were going to win in a blowout. it was obvious that Tampa had an advantage in the trenches on both sides of the ball, they would be able to pressure Mahomes and be able to protect Brady.

Also apart from the AFC championship game they hadn't really played all that well or blew teams away. They struggled against fairly mediocre team and defensively they even struggled to stop the Browns moving the ball up and down the field.

Pair that with Tampa having the experience of the first day and they were never getting beaten with a load of deep passes and Brady was more than capable of picking apart the Chiefs secondary.

The scary thing about this is Tampa will probably be better next year as they really only got things figured out in December next year.

From KC perspective it is a missed opportunity but they had a QB carrying an injury and no one really on the offensive line so they were always going to struggle and if the offense is not putting up points they are not built to win a defensive battle. It's not the end of the world, they will be competitive for many years to come.

helimachoptor

Fell asleep putting one of the kids asleep ay half 9 last night :pac:

Well done Buccs, assumed that Mahomes and co would just blow them away, but couldn't have been more wrong.

Kev8360

Gratzi22 wrote: »

As a Bucs fan, that performance was the best I've seen over the last few years. Only small bit of disappointment was that Mike Evans didn't get a TD, he has been a great player for us. To celebrate, decided to get a small memento from the Bucs shop. The game programme was available with limited numbers, so ordered one. Original price was $18, but with shipping/tax/etc that total was $55. Worth it.

Felt a tad sorry for Mahomes as he put it a great individual performance but the Bucs defence were immense.

Roll on SB LVI.

Yes I remember Mike Evan’s on hard knocks a few years back talking with desean Jackson about trying to get to the Super Bowl. Glad to see that he won it as he has been one of the bucs best players for a good while.

phatkev

Ohmeha wrote: »

Congrats Todd Bowles Super Bowl MVP to the disgust of Jets fans

StringerBell wrote: »

So, how triggered are the Jets fans then tonight?

Ah I missed these two last night, I'm delighted for Bowles and young Steve Mclendon and the sentiment seems to be the same from most of the other Jets fans I know. I
I've watched a good few Bucs games this year and watching Bowles defense was the best part of it.
He'll definitely be back in the HC talk next year, but he will need to have made big changes if he's going to succeed next time around.
Also nice to see that even after a 2 win season and on the night of the biggest game of the year the Jets are still at the forefront of Pats fans minds:D

Patriot Way. Brady Way

There is absolutely nothing Mahomes can do when his offence cannot protect him nor can they catch his passes.

There is absolutely nothing Mahomes can do when his defence gives up 120 yards in really stupid penalties. To put it into context...Brady had 200 yards passing and The Buccs had 150 yards rushing.


Mahomes gave his team ample chances to establish a foothold (no toehold jokes) in the game, they didn't take it.

cena

It was a boring Superbowl this time. Anyways congrats to Tampa

PhuckHugh

Oat23 wrote: »

There's no hate. I'm just stating the facts. You say they barely knew each other, but while Brady won't publicly acknowledge his support of Trump's politics he said he 'supports him as a friend'. I don't know about you, but I don't consider people I barely know 'friends'. And if they barely know each other he would have no problem making it clear that he doesn't support him in any way.


Being a 1%'er, he probably voted for his friend. Twice.

You've a lot of built up hate there.

Oat23

PhuckHugh wrote: »

You've a lot of built up hate there.

It doesn't matter how many times you Brady brown nosers say it..there isn't any hate. I am too busy to hate everyone who supports a racist like Donald Trump. I'm not going to sit idle as someone uses his on-field success to say he's a 'likeable guy', though. He isn't. He has shown multiple times he can be a complete a*sehole.


He goes into the same category as the likes of Brees, and as a Bears fan, Urlacher, Ditka and Cutler. Players/coaches I used to like but no longer have any respect for due to their questionable/outright disgusting (in Ditka's case anyway) characters off the field.


Brady cemented his legacy last night by beating the kid everyone had been crowning. Fair play. What he's doing at his age defies everything we've previously seen from other athletes. That doesn't mean we all have to worship every aspect of his life.

adrian522

Deleted User wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing Mahomes can do when his offence cannot protect him nor can they catch his passes.

There is absolutely nothing Mahomes can do when his defence gives up 120 yards in really stupid penalties. To put it into context...Brady had 200 yards passing and The Buccs had 150 yards rushing.


Mahomes gave his team ample chances to establish a foothold (no toehold jokes) in the game, they didn't take it.

There was bit of a failure of coaching on the chiefs sideline as well, they didn't really adjust to what Tampa were doing. Its a bit simplistic to say his offense can't protect him and catch his passes.

Throwing it into coverage over and over again is never going to yield great results. I think they could have ran the ball a bit more to give Tampa something to think about, maybe force them to bring a safety down into the box to help.

It wasn't Mahomes best game either to be honest, I wouldn't give him a complete pass either, though there was obviously reasons why he wasn't able to perform.

Arduach

Oat23 wrote: »

He has been a friend of Trump's for almost 20 years. The fact he keeps company like that says a lot about him. Donald Trump didn't suddenly become an a*sehole in 2016. He has always been one.

Muhammad Ali was a member of the FOI who believed white men were blue eyed devils. No one seems to mention that today.

BizzyC

Oat23 wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many times you Brady brown nosers say it..there isn't any hate. I am too busy to hate everyone who supports a racist like Donald Trump. I'm not going to sit idle as someone uses his on-field success to say he's a 'likeable guy', though. He isn't. He has shown multiple times he can be a complete a*sehole.

Lol...
"There isn't any hate, now let me tell you why he's a dick...." Nice try...

Gisele actually came out a couple years back to say that Brady has never and would never vote for Trump, Tom quickly tried to sweep those comments under the rug.
I suspect Tom probably has some sort of connections from his TB12 business point of view that he didn't want to come out publicly anti-trump on.

adrian522

Arduach wrote: »

Muhammad Ali was a member of the FOI who believed white men were blue eyed devils. No one seems to mention that today.

Lets keep the conversation relevant to American Football and yesterdays game please.

Arduach

Oat23 wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many times you Brady brown nosers say it..there isn't any hate. I am too busy to hate everyone who supports a racist like Donald Trump. I'm not going to sit idle as someone uses his on-field success to say he's a 'likeable guy', though. He isn't. He has shown multiple times he can be a complete a*sehole.


He goes into the same category as the likes of Brees, and as a Bears fan, Urlacher, Ditka and Cutler. Players/coaches I used to like but no longer have any respect for due to their questionable/outright disgusting (in Ditka's case anyway) characters off the field.


Brady cemented his legacy last night by beating the kid everyone had been crowning. Fair play. What he's doing at his age defies everything we've previously seen from other athletes. That doesn't mean we all have to worship every aspect of his life.

You'd swear you knew Brady personally. None of us know one way or the other.

Gisele is one who can say. People who have had personal dealings with him. You just have remote tv dislike without really knowing someone. Confirmation bias has creeped in.

Arduach

adrian522 wrote: »

Lets keep the conversation relevant to American Football and yesterdays game please.

I was trying to make a comparison of how a star QB is painted in a poor light for supporting Trump.

While another star athlete gets a free pass for much worse.

adrian522

Arduach Please don't post in this thread again, any questions via PM only.

martingriff

Did I just come in to the politics forum or something. I was sure it was the Superbowl thread

Anyway well done to Tampa watched the game this morning. Thought it was an okay game had not seen much of the season this year.

Brady has cemented his position anyway in the history whatever he is like off the pitch he is some player

martingriff

Arduach wrote: »

You'd swear you knew Brady personally. None of us know one way or the other.

Gisele is one who can say. People who have had personal dealings with him. You just have remote tv dislike without really knowing someone. Confirmation bias has creeped in.

Brady is some player but he does come off a quiet a bit of a d$%k in fairness whatever about his connections to anyone. He does seem like a person who would do anything to get what he want. I like him as a player would not like to know him

StringerBell

I'd say you are probably projecting on to him then really.

The man as a teammate and as a leader has practically unanimous acclaim from coaches and teammates etc.

Hardest worker in the room and sets and demands high standard of himself and others.

Inquitus

Mahomes was badly let down by Kelce, Hill and his Offensive line. He made some unbelievable throws on the run that should have been caught, he did his best and never stopped trying, but if the whole team is shítting the bed around you there is nothing you can do. Buccs won it handy, the Chiefs never got going, it was a bit of an anticlimax, but well done to Brady and the Buccs, Gronk, Fournette and Brown all played an important role in the match along with their awesome pass rush who hounded Mahomes all night long.

Man Vs ManUre

I’ve never heard bad publicity on Brady. He seems quite humble for what he has achieved, and he always shifts praise to the team and organisation.
Sure on the bbc last night, Osi compared him to Michael Jordan on them being the 2 biggest superstars he had ever met, one was an are€hole to him, they other was sound. You wouldn’t need to be Sherlock to pick who you as the sound one.

StringerBell

Mahomes was let down, for sure. The Monday morning quarterback in me is examining more then thoughts I had during the game, why didn't they change it up even in the second half when it was apparent the Dline were absolutely bullying them.

Screens, quick throws, dumps, runs etc because the looking for the huge play so often just wasn't working and scrambling around when you have no protection and are carrying a toe surely wasn't the best they could have come up with for a game plan.

They needed to adjust and they didn't. I think it's a game a lot of them and Reid included will look back on with plenty of regrets but if they can keep the core of that team together you wouldn't be surprised to see them back next year such is the talent they have on offence

StringerBell

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

I’ve never heard bad publicity on Brady. He seems quite humble for what he has achieved, and he always shifts praise to the team and organisation.
Sure on the bbc last night, Osi compared him to Michael Jordan on them being the 2 biggest superstars he had ever met, one was an are€hole to him, they other was sound. You wouldn’t need to be Sherlock to pick who you as the sound one.

And Osi is not even a Brady fan