Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Arduach

UK 1565 deaths per 1M Pop
ROI 667 deaths per 1M Pop

So we're 43% of deaths per head of pop in comparison to the UK.

Cork2021

Malcomex wrote: »

Edwina Curry on claire byrne in reference to Uk

"Several european countries have a higher death rate than we have per million including brussels"

Is that a lie?

Edwina Curry is a joke! She’s a mouthpiece. Banging the drum for brexit and is totally blinded by it.
Uk have a terrible record since last March, but can’t seem to admit it.
We’ve been poor and the majority know we have been.

Widdensushi

Arduach wrote: »

UK 1565 deaths per 1M Pop
ROI 667 deaths per 1M Pop

So we're 43% of deaths per head of pop in comparison to the UK.

Of the 47 'countries' listed in worldometers for Europe with Belgium number 1,we are 30th, so we are doing quite well in relation to many in regards to deaths.

blackcard

Malcomex wrote: »

Edwina Curry on claire byrne in reference to Uk

"Several european countries have a higher death rate than we have per million including brussels"

Is that a lie?[
There are 4 countries with a higher death rate in the entire world than the UK. Gibraltar and San Marino both with populations of 33,000. Slovenia with a population of 2 million. And Belgium. So technically she is correct but is being very disingenuous and should have been called up on this. Three of the countries have very small populations and a tiny number of deaths skew the figures. Gibraltar has had a total of 78 deaths, San Marino has had 67 deaths. Slovenia has had 3.5k deaths. The UK has the most deaths in Europe at 105k

Professor Moriarty

blackcard wrote: »

Malcomex wrote: »

Edwina Curry on claire byrne in reference to Uk

"Several european countries have a higher death rate than we have per million including brussels"

Is that a lie?[
There are 4 countries with a higher death rate in the entire world than the UK. Gibraltar and San Marino both with populations of 33,000. Slovenia with a population of 2 million. And Belgium. So technically she is correct but is being very disingenuous and should have been called up on this. Three of the countries have very small populations and a tiny number of deaths skew the figures. Gibraltar has had a total of 78 deaths, San Marino has had 67 deaths. Slovenia has had 3.5k deaths. The UK has the most deaths in Europe at 105k

When you have more deaths per capita than Italy and Spain, who had the pandemic ripping through their population ever before it arrived on your shores, you know you've messed up in a mortal way. This Tory government is a disgrace.

Arghus

Edwina is talking dung.

Once you take out microstates, The UK's death rate is the third highest in the world - we're forty fifth.

Admittedly Belgium and Slovenia have it beat, but there's so many questions about the accuracy of UK death statistics - many deaths weren't counted as Covid deaths in early stages of the pandemic, the fact that you're only counted if your death comes within 28 days after a positive test - so what happens if you die of complications after 29? I'd take the UK's totals with a very large pinch of salt - it's almost certainly higher.

muddypuppy

Malcomex wrote: »

Edwina Curry on claire byrne in reference to Uk

"Several european countries have a higher death rate than we have per million including brussels"

Is that a lie?

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=GBR~AUT~BEL~BGR~HRV~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~European%20Union~FIN~FRA~DEU~GRC~HUN~ISL~IRL~ITA~LVA~LUX~MLT~NLD~POL~PRT~ROU~SVK~SVN~ESP~SWE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

I guess Belgium and Slovenia are "Several" :pac:

Loafing Oaf

Arghus wrote: »

Edwina is talking dung.

Once you take out microstates, The UK's death rate is the third highest in the world - we're forty fifth.

Admittedly Belgium and Slovenia have it beat, but there's so many questions about the accuracy of UK death statistics - many deaths weren't counted as Covid deaths in early stages of the pandemic, the fact that you're only counted if your death comes within 28 days after a positive test - so what happens if you die of complications after 29? I'd take the UK's totals with a very large pinch of salt - it's almost certainly higher.

Seemingly Belgium went to the opposite extreme
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/22/841005901/why-belgiums-death-rate-is-so-high-it-counts-lots-of-suspected-covid-19-cases?t=1612225078184

Belgium has surged to the top of the grim leaderboard because authorities decided to be radically transparent, if perhaps a bit speculative, about the toll from the novel coronavirus. They include not only deaths that are confirmed to be virus-related, but even those suspected of being linked, whether the victim was tested or not.

So possibly that 'several' could be down to one in terms of 'actual' figures

forumdedum

Cork2021 wrote: »

Edwina Curry is a joke! She’s a mouthpiece. Banging the drum for brexit and is totally blinded by it.
Uk have a terrible record since last March, but can’t seem to admit it.
We’ve been poor and the majority know we have been.

Pre-covid I heard Edwina on Newstalk. An absolute fool. Delusional

FintanMcluskey

iguana wrote: »

Maybe the confirmed more infectious, possibly deadlier BR117 that is dominant here and is potentially becoming dominant in more of Europe? Laxer restrictions worked to slow the spread last year. That won't be the case with BR117.

We also have to try and ensure that the 501Y.V2, P.1 and CAL.20C strains don't spread and take hold. We can't take what worked last year for granted. Especially when not being extra careful for the coming months may damage the very realistic chance we have of ending the worst of this in the near future. It was one thing to 'learn to live' with the virus when there was no guarantee of an effective vaccination in the immediate future. It's not the case any more. We need to tamp it down hard while we vaccinate as many people as possible.

I wonder what variant will turn up to put the kibosh on Summer 2022?

bb1234567

Throwback :eek:
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1356414335136968705

patnor1011

iguana wrote: »

Maybe the confirmed more infectious, possibly deadlier BR117 that is dominant here and is potentially becoming dominant in more of Europe? Laxer restrictions worked to slow the spread last year. That won't be the case with BR117.

We also have to try and ensure that the 501Y.V2, P.1 and CAL.20C strains don't spread and take hold. We can't take what worked last year for granted. Especially when not being extra careful for the coming months may damage the very realistic chance we have of ending the worst of this in the near future. It was one thing to 'learn to live' with the virus when there was no guarantee of an effective vaccination in the immediate future. It's not the case any more. We need to tamp it down hard while we vaccinate as many people as possible.

And so the story repeats.
So we will work hard and stay at home for say a year or two to get rid of the 3 strains you mentioned. Then I wonder what guarantee we do have that another 3 or 30 strains will not emerge for which we would have to put in the same hard work to ending the worst in the future. And then perhaps more strains emerge till someone will not have a firm talk with the virus to tell him to stop mutating finally that we need a break.
There already are concerns of vaccines maybe not effective enough for new variants and that we may need to take them every year or every time when new strains emerge.
A vaccine is not an answer to this. Treatment is a better chance since there is no way this or any other virus can be stopped, neutered or erradicated. Virus wants to survive too and is quite experienced to do just that.

Mark1916

Good news this morning:

Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly opted into the purchase of an additional 875,000 Moderna vaccines at the weekend, bringing Ireland’s total order from the US drug firm to 1.65 million.

It is hoped up to one million of the doses can be delivered to Ireland by July, thereby allowing for a significant ramping up of the overall vaccine rollout in the first half of the year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cabinet-to-back-purchase-of-nearly-1m-extra-doses-of-moderna-vaccine-1.4473510

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

And so the story repeats.
So we will work hard and stay at home for say a year or two to get rid of the 3 strains you mentioned. Then I wonder what guarantee we do have that another 3 or 30 strains will not emerge for which we would have to put in the same hard work to ending the worst in the future. And then perhaps more strains emerge till someone will not have a firm talk with the virus to tell him to stop mutating finally that we need a break.
There already are concerns of vaccines maybe not effective enough for new variants and that we may need to take them every year or every time when new strains emerge.
A vaccine is not an answer to this. Treatment is a better chance since there is no way this or any other virus can be stopped, neutered or erradicated. Virus wants to survive too and is quite experienced to do just that.

Doom mongers out in force again.

All indications are that all vaccines provide excellent protection against severe disease, even if some are less effective in preventing any illness against the SA variant. The way out of this is not treatment, its activation of the immune system through exposure and/or vaccine

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Doom mongers out in force again.

All indications are that all vaccines provide excellent protection against severe disease, even if some are less effective in preventing any illness against the SA variant. The way out of this is not treatment, its activation of the immune system through exposure and/or vaccine

Agree with you on the doom mongers - personally I like to look for the positives.

Some vaccines are less effective currently. The same way the annual flu jab changes to address changes in the virus.

Ficheall

AdamD wrote: »

The way out of this is not treatment, its activation of the immune system through exposure and/or vaccine

The vaccines aren't a silver bullet - they're an aid. Like with the masks, if people start thinking the vaccines mean they can go about their lives as normal immediately, cases will take much longer to go down.

pc7

Newstalk news bulletins playing the tony 'only beach will be local' spiel. Tony can fook right off on this one, firstly its too early to say, but the data coming from Israel is looking positive in bringing cases down. Jesus we've just got through a depressingly long January, give us a bit of hope Tony, especially when he can't look that far in the future. I am 'hopeful' I will get away to the sun this year, cause I could not face doing staycations again this year, it was brutal last year. Now maybe he will be proven right but its way to early to be saying it.

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

Long way to go yet.

I wouldn't be awarding out prizes to anyone for first place right now.

How quickly your start is isn't half as important is as how well you get the job done.

Not saying the EU haven't made some mistakes and aren't capable of making more, but, we'll see how everyone matches up in three to four months time.

If it was the other way around and the UK was lagging behind and the EU miles in front, I am confident you would be the first to blame Brexit and praise the EU for their vaccine rollout.

I doubt you would come in here and say, "Oh well there's a long way to go yet, Brexit Britain may well end up in better in the long-term". :rolleyes:

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

If it was the other way around and the UK was lagging behind and the EU miles in front, I am confident you would be the first to blame Brexit and praise the EU for their vaccine rollout.

I doubt you would come in here and say, "Oh well there's a long way to go yet, Brexit Britain may well end up in better in the long-term". :rolleyes:

Its nothing to do with Brexit. The EMA chose yo verify all data prior to approving vaccine, the UK authorised emergency use approval for each batch. It is a risk. It paid off. They are also playing around with 2nd dose schedule, which makes them look better in first doses, but is also a risk. It also looks like this may pay off. However it could easily have backfired and resulted in a large portion of doses effectively being wasted. When by Q2 there will be more vaccine than we can use, taking risks with the overall rollout by rushing initially is a gamble, but by June, no one in Europe, will be behind because of vaccine supply. This whole argument is a red herring

frozen3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Doom mongers out in force again.

All indications are that all vaccines provide excellent protection against severe disease, even if some are less effective in preventing any illness against the SA variant. The way out of this is not treatment, its activation of the immune system through exposure and/or vaccine

Serious question

What do you think is going happen when a variant evades the vaccine?

What do you think government response will be?

Israel data shows vaccines are 90% efficacious which is insanely good, 317 people have been infected after 2nd dose, 16 needed hospital treatment, that's 5% of infected roughly

If a variant comes along with only 20% efficacy with current vaccines and you have 1,000,000 vulnerable people

800,000 can be infected, 5% of them eg 40,000 of them can be hospitalised, that's worst case, but what governments plan for

You can see why people are saying they havent heard the bell yet or white flags raised, this can all change so quickly

daydorunrun

froog wrote: »

that's what they do. NPHET have zero power to enact restrictions. not sure how people still don't understand this.

Power is a subjective term in this instance. They have the power to influence by having prime time tv slots every evening. We live in a world where influence is power. NEPHET should be directly influencing the government- instead we hear they are just texting each other most of the time.
How people don’t realise the relationship between them isn’t a good one is beyond me.
The government has been very weak in this- they were happy to push an advisory group into the spotlight because it took the spotlight off them.
Of course NEPHET are necessary, I just don’t think the set up as stands does us any favours.

froog

frozen3 wrote: »

Serious question

What do you think is going happen when a variant evades the vaccine?

What do you think government response will be?

Israel data shows vaccines are 90% efficacious which is insanely good, 317 people have been infected after 2nd dose, 16 needed hospital treatment, that's 5% of infected roughly

If a variant comes along with only 20% efficacy with current vaccines and you have 1,000,000 vulnerable people

800,000 can be infected, 5% of them eg 40,000 of them can be hospitalised, that's worst case, but what governments plan for

You can see why people are saying they havent heard the bell yet or white flags raised, this can all change so quickly

And what if an asteroid hits us?

is_that_so

Ficheall wrote: »

The vaccines aren't a silver bullet - they're an aid. Like with the masks, if people start thinking the vaccines mean they can go about their lives as normal immediately, cases will take much longer to go down.

They are aimed at returning us to normal and will do so. I don't think you can make any claims about cases. We'll soon see evidence from the rapidly vaccinating countries and early Israeli data is very positive.

froog

daydorunrun wrote: »

Power is a subjective term in this instance. They have the power to influence by having prime time tv slots every evening. We live in a world where influence is power. NEPHET should be directly influencing the government- instead we hear they are just texting each other most of the time.
How people don’t realise the relationship between them isn’t a good one is beyond me.
The government has been very weak in this- they were happy to push an advisory group into the spotlight because it took the spotlight off them.
Of course NEPHET are necessary, I just don’t think the set up as stands does us any favours.

And if there was no NPHET press conferences they would be accused of lack of transparency. And I dont know about you but I prefer to get my information from actual scientists and public health experts rather than careerist morons like donnelly and martin.

Malcomex

frozen3 wrote: »

Serious question

What do you think is going happen when a variant evades the vaccine?

What do you think government response will be?

Israel data shows vaccines are 90% efficacious which is insanely good, 317 people have been infected after 2nd dose, 16 needed hospital treatment, that's 5% of infected roughly

If a variant comes along with only 20% efficacy with current vaccines and you have 1,000,000 vulnerable people

800,000 can be infected, 5% of them eg 40,000 of them can be hospitalised, that's worst case, but what governments plan for

You can see why people are saying they havent heard the bell yet or white flags raised, this can all change so quickly

Quarantine or block travel from regions,plus test trace and isolate

Booster jabs

Governments are preparing for new variants now

is_that_so

frozen3 wrote: »

Serious question

What do you think is going happen when a variant evades the vaccine?

What do you think government response will be?

Israel data shows vaccines are 90% efficacious which is insanely good, 317 people have been infected after 2nd dose, 16 needed hospital treatment, that's 5% of infected roughly

If a variant comes along with only 20% efficacy with current vaccines and you have 1,000,000 vulnerable people

800,000 can be infected, 5% of them eg 40,000 of them can be hospitalised, that's worst case, but what governments plan for

You can see why people are saying they havent heard the bell yet or white flags raised, this can all change so quickly

We know that none of this ever happened so why even guess at it? Variants will be addressed via vaccine tweaks, as they do with flu'. There should be some level of protection from the original vaccinations anyway.

tom1ie

is_that_so wrote: »

We know that none of this ever happened so why even guess at it? Variants will be addressed via vaccine tweaks, as they do with flu'. There should be some level of protection from the original vaccinations anyway.

You guess at it to prepare for worst case scenario.
Prepare for the worst hope for the best. Col Chris Hadfield.

is_that_so

tom1ie wrote: »

You guess at it to prepare for worst case scenario.

These numbers look like they are made up by Hollywood scriptwriters and have no credibility in the real world. We know what to do when cases rise and we'd never get anywhere near them. There's also also a lot of work going on treatments and vaccines to mitigate effects.

daydorunrun

froog wrote: »

And if there was no NPHET press conferences they would be accused of lack of transparency. And I dont know about you but I prefer to get my information from actual scientists and public health experts rather than careerist morons like donnelly and martin.

I agree with you. I’m just objecting to the daily prime time talking shop that the briefings have become- they are a way for Tony to scare people into doing the right thing. Unfortunately The ones who have needed some scaring all the way Through have never tuned in. I’m not suggesting NEPHET be silenced- just that they start working better with the government. The daily briefings should be in government buildings rather than a few phone calls and texts, it doesn’t fill me with confidence that the current system is fit for purpose.

frozen3

frozen3 wrote: »

Serious question

What do you think is going happen when a variant evades the vaccine?

What do you think government response will be?

2 things - there will be fewer serious infections. The reason the impact of this virus was so serious is because immune systems had not seen anything like it before. Following vaccination we will be attuned to this type of virus, so residual immunity will reduce the impact for most. Secondly - the vaccine manufacturers will probably be tweaking the recipe 1-2 times per year to boost the efficacy, and administer boosters to vulnerable populations and healthcare workers at least