Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

funnydoggy

Deleted User wrote: »

It means the vaccines are useless.

Do people still believe & say this complete lie?

Evade the immune system - It means you will have no immunity so will be unable to fight it

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

Do people still believe & say this complete lie?

Explain what evade the immune system means then, that is what the Sky News report says.

Le Bruise

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure why it is even called a vaccine, a Vaccine provides you with immunity, these jabs do nothing of the sort.

Can you still get Covid after vaccine?
An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.Jan 26, 2021
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-got-my-covid-19-vaccination-now-what-can-i-get-on-a-plane-or-visit-my-grandparents-do-i-still-need-to-wear-my-mask-11611637998

You say the vaccines are useless in one post, then contradict yourself by posting how the vaccines are actually very useful in the next!?

runawaybishop

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not sure why it is even called a vaccine, a Vaccine provides you with immunity, these jabs do nothing of the sort.

Can you still get Covid after vaccine?
An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.Jan 26, 2021
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-got-my-covid-19-vaccination-now-what-can-i-get-on-a-plane-or-visit-my-grandparents-do-i-still-need-to-wear-my-mask-11611637998

This is wildly inaccurate. Vaccines do not stop you getting the virus, they train your body to deal with it.

The covid vaccines in up to 95% of cases stop the virus turning into the disease. In the remaining cases they have prevented the need for hospital care to deal with it, i.e they massively reduce the seriousness of it.

@draftdodger

@draftdodger

As I said in my first post this morning, I’m just having a feel sorry for myself day. I have them every now and then since 2017.

I typed out a long post and then deleted it. Typing it out helped as I then come to the usual conclusion that I have and that is that there are people ALOT worse off than I am.

Wish all here and their families well x

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

You say the vaccines are useless in one post, then contradict yourself by posting how the vaccines are actually very useful in the next!?

How and where did I say the Vaccines are useful?

It cant be a vaccine if it does not provide you with immunity, go look up the word vaccine,

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

These so-called vaccines do not prevent you from catching COVID thus they cannot by any standard definition be called vaccines.

runawaybishop

runawaybishop wrote: »

This is wildly inaccurate. Vaccines do not stop you getting the virus, they train your body to deal with it.

The covid vaccines in up to 95% of cases stop the virus turning into the disease. In the remaining cases they have prevented the need for hospital care to deal with it, i.e they massively reduce the seriousness of it.

Are you saying you know more than Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.?

Le Bruise

Deleted User wrote: »

How and where did I say the Vaccines are useful?

You didn't, but the link you posted did.

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

You didn't, but the link you posted did.

I highlighted that the so-called vaccines do not prevent you from catching COVID, this is supported by the CDC. Thus by any standard definition, they are not vaccines.

An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,”

said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.Jan 26, 2021

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-...sk-11611637998

OwenM

Ficheall wrote: »

Can you clarify what you feel Holohan's vested interests are? Are you saying he's "biased" because he wants to get rid of the disease? Are you proffering that as a reason not to heed his advice?

NPHET's vested interest is in saving lives, as many as possible and I shouldn't have to state the obvious but this is of course a wholly necessary interest, but they have no vested interest in the economy or the mental and social effects of their advice and seem to be ignoring the massive and accruing deficit in non-covid care.

Their sectoral interest means they have an asymmetrical risk where no covid deaths mean they are hero's in their own eyes, all else be damned.

DraftDodger

DraftDodger wrote: »

That's terrible. I have to say im finding the complete opposite and many people ive spoken to who where breaking restrictions at Xmas and in the last year in general seem to have finally realised this is a team effort. I find that heartening,

well maybe that's why they feel more positive as they have not been keeping to the restrictions! They obviously haven't felt the same weight of burden that many others have for the last year. No wonder they are positive;) (I wonder when they realised this is a team effort? )

c68zapdsm5i1ru

ginoginelli wrote: »

Exactly. It's really infuriating to listen to these idiots chastising tony for his travel comments. No surprise they are the exact same idiots who wanted resctrions lifted for christmas.

Tony is just erring on the side of caution. He is trying to save lives while these fools are giving out about not being able to fly out to lanzarote for a week.

I totally agree. Since when did a holiday abroad become a necessity instead of a luxury. I can understand people needing a break. I've been caring for an elderly relative with cancer for the past year and yes, it can become very exhausting. But why does the break have to be abroad? I'd give anything for a few days away down the country or near a beach. Even if the weather isn't glorious can people not cope with a couple of summers at home? The fact that a considerable minority are prepared to risk public health and even lives for a fortnight in Greece or the Canaries shows what a spoilt society we've become.

Le Bruise

Deleted User wrote: »

I highlighted that the so-called vaccines do not prevent you from catching COVID, this is supported by the CDC. Thus by any standard definition, they are not vaccines.

An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,”

said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.Jan 26, 2021

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-...sk-11611637998

You said the vaccines were useless in your first post. The link you posted suggests they are useful as they prevent serious illness/hospitalisation/death in a 94% of people. Now you're trying to argue that you they don't stop you catching COVID....I'm not disputing that as the transmission side of things hasn't been tested properly yet.

marno21

The B117 variant in the UK (with the N501Y mutation in the spike protein’s RBD) has in 11 instances also acquired the E484K mutation found in the South African variant which appears to reduce the effectiveness of neutralising antibodies.

Vaccine manufacturers will likely start producing booster shots to improve protection against these 2 mutations (they seem to be most effective at evading immune responses as a pair)

iguana

Drumpot wrote: »

I’d concur with this. I’ve spoken to a fair few clients over the last few weeks and this has been mentally harder for everybody I have spoken with.

I'm feeling like a major anomaly in this but I'm actually having a wonderful time. This was the fastest cheeriest January I've ever lived through. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to live a more normal life but tbth, I'm actually just really happy nearly every day. Maybe it's because during the first lockdown I was sick from March 18th to April 4th and then from April 8th to the end of June I was mostly debilitated by post viral chest, thyroid and gastric inflammation. By July when things reopened I could do most of my normal activities but I still had a lot of pain and weaknesses. It's honestly only since the end of November/start of December that I've been able to really rebuild the strength in my chest and I only started to feel genuinely fit and strong again in the last month. I still have thyroid problems and constantly reoccurring oral/throat candida as my immune system is low and some chest inflammation that I've learned to manage but I still mostly just feel really, really good.

I feel like I'm finally getting a chance to do some of the stuff I'd planned for the first lockdown, so lockdown projects are still really fresh to me. While I'm also on the high of feeling much more in control of my body again. All of which boils down to how utterly shït getting Covid is. Because my experience of being (most likely) infected with it, is making the life that everyone else is utterly bloody sick of feel like a wonderful new adventure to me because even my mild dose has really boll0xed up so much of the last year.

The_Brood

Russman wrote: »

You do realise that governments rely on popularity to get re-elected and this is precisely the last thing any government in the world would do if they had any realistic choice ?

So it's not 'realistic' to expect them to close borders or adopt the strict protocols other countries have used to beat the virus....but it is perfectly realistic to keep us in endless death-spiral lockdowns, destroying the economy and people's lives for years on end?

It is absolute derangement that anyone accepts this. Absolute and complete nonsense and madness.

What’s on your project list, iguana?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I highlighted that the so-called vaccines do not prevent you from catching COVID, this is supported by the CDC. Thus by any standard definition, they are not vaccines.

This is nonsense. Very few vaccines offer true sterilizing immunity. That does not mean they are ineffective or useless.

A good example is the Rotavirus vaccine. It only prevents severe illness but after it's introduction to the US in 2006 it reduced hospitalizations from the virus by up to 90%.

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

You said the vaccines were useless in your first post. The link you posted suggests they are useful as they prevent serious illness/hospitalisation/death in a 94% of people. Now you're trying to argue that you they don't stop you catching COVID....I'm not disputing that as the transmission side of things hasn't been tested properly yet.

I said the vaccines are useless for the new Mutant Variant strain according to the SKY News Report.

RebelButtMunch

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Morning all.

Can’t believe it’s been over a year now since the COVID threads came to be. I’m having a feel sorry for myself day. I’m burnt out.

I’ve just deleted the majority of this post as everyone is having a rough time not just me.

I'm feeling the same, it's the toughest lockdown so far.

Where as before I felt we were on a rollercoaster, now I feel like I'm cycling along a very very long straight road against the wind, but the finishing line is in sight.

pawdee

frozen3 wrote: »

That's not how our life was, I still don't feel confident in saying I will be able to go a winter holiday this year or even have a job

We used to know our future to some extent

There are no guarantees in life. None of us can be sure that we'll be alive tomorrow. Or this afternoon for that matter. In fact, I might not even finish typing this sente

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

The B117 variant in the UK (with the N501Y mutation in the spike protein’s RBD) has in 11 instances also acquired the E484K mutation found in the South African variant which appears to reduce the effectiveness of neutralising antibodies.

Vaccine manufacturers will likely start producing booster shots to improve protection against these 2 mutations (they seem to be most effective at evading immune responses as a pair)

Here is the problem, you talk about booster shots, they can't even supply enough for the first round of vaccines, let alone the 2nd follow-up round, then the annual boosters we will need. If we need boosters for every strain how many boosters in between are we supposed to have? It's virtually impossible logistically and way too expensive for the medical system to cope with.

niallo27

DraftDodger wrote: »

What i want most is for my elderly parents to be able to walk to the shops and my dad to get back to his manshed meetings for his own wellbeing. I also want kids to be able to get back to school and get an education and also a proper social outlet.

What i want most is not for people who have worked their whole lives only to die in hospital alone and sad as they struggle for breath like two people in their 60's i know and one doctor in his 40's.

I could give two hoots about a trip to Santa del STD's or Lake Garda. If it means i don't get a holiday until 2025 then so be it.

This doctor in his 40s, didn't people call you out on this bull**** already.

runawaybishop

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you saying you know more than Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.?

I am saying you have misunderstood Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.

None of this info is new, you are merely misunderstanding how vaccines work.

runawaybishop

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not hard, Google the definition of Vaccine.

Just knock it off, it's tedious explaining basic stuff to fools over and over again.

ArthurDayne

DraftDodger wrote: »

What i want most is for my elderly parents to be able to walk to the shops and my dad to get back to his manshed meetings for his own wellbeing. I also want kids to be able to get back to school and get an education and also a proper social outlet.

What i want most is not for people who have worked their whole lives only to die in hospital alone and sad as they struggle for breath like two people in their 60's i know and one doctor in his 40's.

I could give two hoots about a trip to Santa del STD's or Lake Garda. If it means i don't get a holiday until 2025 then so be it.

A few posts ago you were spouting on to people about first world problems and telling them to get over it. Well let’s try it out with you then.

Children not having access to their high level of education? First world problem, get over it.

People lucky enough to live into old age who are lucky enough to live within walking distance of shops that provide all they need? First world problem, get over it.

People having the luxury of good medical care in advanced age? First world problem, get over it.

The problem with taking moral high grounds and preaching down to everyone else is that other people can take high grounds too. I have every sympathy for your personal circumstances and every sympathy that you want to see normality return — but it’s not for you to bleat to people about first world problems when the very things you yourself claim to miss are in themselves first world luxuries, and the poverty which has been and will continue to be foisted on millions because of the lockdown-induced economic depression will rob people of access to those things you speak of for many years to come. See example here from the London School of Economics: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/globalhealth/2020/10/16/the-impact-of-covid-19-on-poverty-in-low-and-middle-income-countries/. And you know, going on holiday also involves people on the receiving end who rely on visitor income to put food on the table.

The whole event of this pandemic is shades of grey — none of us can really come out of it with our sense of morality and ethics unchallenged in some way. But running around telling people to “get over it” from whatever little hill of self-righteousness you’ve camped on is not good for anyone.

Deeper Blue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I highlighted that the so-called vaccines do not prevent you from catching COVID, this is supported by the CDC. Thus by any standard definition, they are not vaccines.

An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,”

said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist.Jan 26, 2021

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-...sk-11611637998

And do you not think what's quoted there is useful?

marno21

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here is the problem, you talk about booster shots, they can't even supply enough for the first round of vaccines, let alone the 2nd follow-up round, then the annual boosters we will need. If we need boosters for every strain how many boosters in between are we supposed to have? It's virtually impossible logistically and way too expensive for the medical system to cope with.

I am open to correction on this but I did see a piece before that after conducting in vitro tests before this mutation happened in the wild they had predicated that E484K would be a particularly evasive mutation. If it’s the most evasive mutation that’s possible to happen then it can be vaccinated against and that would be the end of it

iguana

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What’s on your project list, iguana?

All the boring stuff like a big tidy and clear out of the my son's playroom and bedroom, repaint some walls, do some jobs in the garden, etc. And the more fun stuff like learn to do a handstand and dance better in my skates, maybe some hula hoop tricks. I've tried on an off with stuff up to now but none of it really clicked like it has since December.