Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Del Griffith wrote: »

Less than 1% according to contact tracing.

The travel thing is a total herring.

I don't think so. If someone travelled home for Christmas, didn't isolate properly and gave the virus to their brother who in turn gave it to a colleague who passed it on to their wife etc, only the first case would be officially recorded as due to travel when in fact one person would actually have een responsibile for several cases.

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The case numbers are moving in the right direction. Great news. The vast majority of people are doing what they need to. We are moving to the point where things will start to open up. The travel thing right now is a sideshow and an unhelpful one.

I think it is great that case numbers are going in the right direction but let's not minimise the massive sacrifices people are making to achieve this.

• Schools not open for a huge amount of time.
• People forgoing routine and screening hospital appointments.
• Can't go more than 5 km.
• Can't meet with family and friends.

You may think it is unhelpful but this is the third such wave and every time we've opened up without mandatory hotel quarantine the cases have increased exponentially as the R number goes back above 1.

You may find it unhelpful but I think a lot of people are quite adamant that this time the sacrifices shouldn't be in vain. Why would people expect a different outcome. It's clear the vaccine rollout won't be complete until end of this year at best.

There's only so many times the government can say "How were we to know :rolleyes:"

Happydays2020

Dawson Future Wisecrack wrote: »

I don't think so. If someone travelled home for Christmas, didn't isolate properly and gave the virus to their brother who in turn gave it to a colleague who passed it on to their wife etc, only the first case would be officially recorded as due to travel when in fact one person would actually have een responsibile for several cases.

People coming back for Christmas was never a good idea especially from the UK who have not had great control of the virus (and indeed had pubs open). Plus we know now that the UK variant was probably here for some weeks - the UK government was less than forthcoming on this.

But the biggest cause was socialising and household mixing. I could see that and changed my behaviour accordingly. 7 weeks now without contact outside the family unit. But I am getting sick of it and sick of the disproportionate negativity.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Happydays2020 wrote: »

People coming back for Christmas was never a good idea especially from the UK who have not had great control of the virus (and indeed had pubs open). Plus we know now that the UK variant was probably here for some weeks - the UK government was less than forthcoming on this.

But the biggest cause was socialising and household mixing. I could see that and changed my behaviour accordingly. 7 weeks now without contact outside the family unit. But I am getting sick of it and sick of the disproportionate negativity.

I agree but some of the cases contracted as a result of socialising a nd household mixing can be traced back to a person who travelled home from the UK and then met friends, attended a family gathering on Christmas day and so on. That's why saying only 1 per cent of cases are due to travel is in accurate.

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

People coming back for Christmas was never a good idea especially from the UK who have not had great control of the virus (and indeed had pubs open). Plus we know now that the UK variant was probably here for some weeks - the UK government was less than forthcoming on this.

But the biggest cause was socialising and household mixing. I could see that and changed my behaviour accordingly. 7 weeks now without contact outside the family unit. But I am getting sick of it and sick of the disproportionate negativity.

Everyone is sick of it alright. What's disproportionate negativity? It is great that cases and hospitalisations are falling. It'll be great when they are at a low enough level to open up again.

Given that this is the 3rd such wave do you think that this time will be different? I think the mandatory hotel quarantine is needed to stop the reseeding of the virus once the benefits of these harsh restrictions are reaped. Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is crazy.

Mad that the people who were fanatically committed to the belief that pubs and restaurants were responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately have moved, quite seamlessly, to being fanatically committed to the belief that holidays are responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately.

Almost none of the people who have made detention without trial one of the pillars of their new religion mentioned it at all until they started seeing their high priests start pushing it. (In fact, in the early stages of the pandemic, it was "racist" to point out that banning people in Ireland from working or carrying out business while 5 flights packed with new migrants from Romania landed each day might need to be looked at).

Once that doesn't work, it'll be music that is the cause of all our ills and must be banned immediately, then smoking, then alcohol will be the target. Burn the witch!

A substantial minority have gleefully embraced the pandemic to try and impose their joyless, puritanical vision of society.

Plumbthedepths

b0nk1e wrote: »

Mad that the people who were fanatically committed to the belief that pubs and restaurants were responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately have moved, quite seamlessly, to being fanatically committed to the belief that holidays are responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately.

Once that doesn't work, it'll be music that is the cause of all our ills and must be banned immediately, then smoking, then alcohol will be the target. Burn the witch!

A substantial minority have gleefully embraced the pandemic to try and impose their joyless, puritanical vision of society.

It's all about finding someone or something to blame. Happily they haven't targeted the young again.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's all about finding someone or something to blame. Happily they haven't targeted the young again.

Ah they'll be back to the young soon enough. Hanging monkeys and drinking vinegar.

spookwoman

b0nk1e wrote: »

Mad that the people who were fanatically committed to the belief that pubs and restaurants were responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately have moved, quite seamlessly, to being fanatically committed to the belief that holidays are responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately.

Almost none of the people who have made detention without trial one of the pillars of their new religion mentioned it at all until they started seeing their high priests start pushing it. (In fact, in the early stages of the pandemic, it was "racist" to point out that banning people in Ireland from working or carrying out business while 5 flights packed with new migrants from Romania landed each day might need to be looked at).

Once that doesn't work, it'll be music that is the cause of all our ills and must be banned immediately, then smoking, then alcohol will be the target. Burn the witch!

A substantial minority have gleefully embraced the pandemic to try and impose their joyless, puritanical vision of society.

Would you ever feck off, no one has gleefully embraced the pandemic. The only ones that seem to be using the pandemic to spread their sh*te views are the nuts who think facemasks give people cancer.

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah someone needs to tell the government not to do it asap. It clearly doesn't work. Like who want's Kids to be able to go school and hospitals to function?

Weirdos I say. Give me two weeks in Lanzarote anytime over those selfish demands.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357040275164659714?s=20

A lot of this is down to the Opposition holding the government to account, in reality they are asking a lot of really stupid questions. They know legislation takes time and as for the home thing that is shrieking hysteria. TBF to them, nobody is paying much attention to them. and they do miss roasting ministers for minor transgressions.

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

no one has gleefully embraced the pandemic.

Here is, in fact, an article from the Irish Times with people proudly explaining how much they've enjoyed lockdown.

If you think those are the only people in the country who've had a rare wee time to themselves twitching their curtain and sneering at those who display insufficient piety, I've a bridge to sell you.

silverharp

b0nk1e wrote: »

Mad that the people who were fanatically committed to the belief that pubs and restaurants were responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately have moved, quite seamlessly, to being fanatically committed to the belief that holidays are responsible for all our ills and must be banned immediately.

Almost none of the people who have made detention without trial one of the pillars of their new religion mentioned it at all until they started seeing their high priests start pushing it. (In fact, in the early stages of the pandemic, it was "racist" to point out that banning people in Ireland from working or carrying out business while 5 flights packed with new migrants from Romania landed each day might need to be looked at).

Once that doesn't work, it'll be music that is the cause of all our ills and must be banned immediately, then smoking, then alcohol will be the target. Burn the witch!

A substantial minority have gleefully embraced the pandemic to try and impose their joyless, puritanical vision of society.

reminds me of the Easter Islanders and them cutting down all their trees to continue making their stone statues. I wonder what their thoughts were when they got to the last one? :pac:

Turtwig

b0nk1e wrote: »

Here is, in fact, an article from the Irish Times with people proudly explaining how much they've enjoyed lockdown.

If you think those are the only people in the country who've had a rare wee time to themselves twitching their curtain and sneering at those who display insufficient piety, I've a bridge to sell you.

That's people reaching and seeking out the positives in extraordinary times. That doesn't mean they want their situation to become their norm.

Also, that's the first lockdown which was "easiest" for nearly everyone. A sustained sht show like we're in is a entirely different matter.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

b0nk1e wrote: »

Here is, in fact, an article from the Irish Times with people proudly explaining how much they've enjoyed lockdown.

If you think those are the only people in the country who've had a rare wee time to themselves twitching their curtain and sneering at those who display insufficient piety, I've a bridge to sell you.

They are people saying that despite the restrictions of lockdown, some good things have also come out of it. That’s not saying they’re delighted about the pandemic or have had a rare wee time criticising others. Grow up.

Qwertyminger

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's all about finding someone or something to blame. Happily they haven't targeted the young again.

Lol the blame game is happening, I'm just not sure you're pointing at the right cohort yourself.

On an unrelated note (spoiler:politicians are to blame), I get stomach issues due to anxiety and I've had a creeping dread the past couple of days. Probably because I work in special education and all the uncertainty around that, combined with all the other moving parts.

Anyway I've been intentionally avoiding any politicians voices because they bring on bad anxiety (see: I fly into a blind rage) and last night my buddy sent some joke about the thumbs up thing and my stomach retched and I was nearly sick.

Now yesterday was bad, I woke up hysterically crying which is not normal at all. I don't have any diagnosed psychological issues. It's just this situation, loneliness, pointlessness and the feeling of being oppressed to the point of wanting to just give up.

This morning I've decided I have to make a bit of an effort to look at the news. I'm incandescent with the government. I think I might have spoiled myself the past week by ignoring it. Is there any cure for spontaneous vomiting at the sight of Stephen Donnelly, or shyting one's pants when they hear a Leo Varadkar movie quote, or losing control of your vocal cords and getting stuck in a dubadubaduba (me)hole?

spookwoman

b0nk1e wrote: »

Here is, in fact, an article from the Irish Times with people proudly explaining how much they've enjoyed lockdown.

If you think those are the only people in the country who've had a rare wee time to themselves twitching their curtain and sneering at those who display insufficient piety, I've a bridge to sell you.

Behind pay wall and the 2 that I could read were observations of how they have found what is in their 5km limit, the lack of commuting etc. I would not and most would not see that as "Gleefully embracing the pandemic".

Why don't you meet up with paddy here sounds like you would get on great with each other https://waterford-news.ie/2021/01/31/motorist-ferrying-anti-vaccination-led-sign-on-trailer-fined-for-travel-breach/

is_that_so

Dawson Future Wisecrack wrote: »

They are people saying that despite the restrictions of lockdown, some good things have also come out of it. That’s not saying they’re delighted about the pandemic or have had a rare wee time criticising others. Grow up.

There have been stories of all sorts and there are some who have enjoyed it a whole lot more than others or at the very least found themselves unbothered by it.

Gruffalux

b0nk1e wrote: »

Here is, in fact, an article from the Irish Times with people proudly explaining how much they've enjoyed lockdown.

If you think those are the only people in the country who've had a rare wee time to themselves twitching their curtain and sneering at those who display insufficient piety, I've a bridge to sell you.

Don't be silly. Those people are not twitching curtains or sneering - careful about projecting the contents of your imagination as it is more revealing about you than others. No one likes this restricted life. But there is pure madness in the other way of life too - relentless commuting, slavish working, almost no time with family, spouse, children, no opportunity to look within or pause. A lot of people have appreciated having time to be more at home with the people they love while at the same time not liking what has happened as it means there are other loved ones they cannot visit, and especially no one likes why it has happened.

Plumbthedepths

Qwertyminger wrote: »

Lol the blame game is happening, I'm just not sure you're pointing at the right cohort yourself.

My post was quite short, easily understood. I pointed at no one just happy the youth are not the subject of ire again.

mohawk

prunudo wrote: »

Tbh, I'm skeptical of some of the data the contact tracers are given. If someone got it from their mate who just returned from the UK or their neighbour over a cup of tea in their house is everyone going to be truly honest, I don't believe so.

They only go back 48 hours with the contact tracing. People can have it 4 or 5 days before showing any symptoms. The contact tracers from what I can see are only interested in finding people who you may have passed it on to. They are not finding where people are picking it up.
In countries such as South Korea and Taiwan they go back as far as they have to in order find where a person picks it up.

I also agree that many people will not admit to contact tracers when they have broken restrictions.

I know a guy that got tested at work around the second week of January and test came back positive. He had no idea he had it and couldn’t figure out where he got it. His wife was at a New Year’s Eve party and a couple of the guests a week after the party tested positive. The wife never showed symptoms and was never contacted by contact tracers. She just went about her business going to work and shops as normal. The guy I know got tested because his company does private tests every few days. He then followed the guidelines and isolated etc. This case just highlighted to me how useless the contact tracing system is to help with virus suppression.

Qwertyminger

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My post was quite short, easily understood. I pointed at no one just happy the youth are not the subject of ire again.

Flinging blame at anyone who has any issues with anything throughout the pandemic doesn't count as pointing at no one. You're right that the youth are the ones suffering, I would suggest the most in all of this. Who knows what damage is being done.

caveat emptor

I'm happy that we aren't blaming anybody apart from the government and their horrific decision making.

Fingers crossed 3rd time lucky.

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm happy that we aren't blaming anybody apart from the government and their horrific decision making.

Fingers crossed 3rd time lucky.

Oh, I blame an unseen virus.

caveat emptor

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh, I blame an unseen virus.

Every country has had the virus. Not every country was the worst in the world in terms of cases / hundred thousand.

The virus is not responsible for our lack of implementing preventative public health measures. We do implement them but only after it's too late. I'd love to see a bit forethought going into our plan for 2021. Call me demanding but these yoyo lockdowns really don't seem to be working for the majority of people.

Qwertyminger

Well it's unseen but we know roughly how it spreads and have a team of people advising on how to avoid that.

Shame leo and the other guys didn't bother taking that guidance.

Also sorry to be morbid but I know three people who have killed themselves this year. Is there anywhere that tracks and reports on those statistics? Also I know one posted a note online and it was removed by the platform very promptly (within hours). The lack of data and deplatforming of those who have taken their own lives because of this situation makes it seem like we want to erase any trace of those who struggled and block out their memory instead of supporting each other through it.

Tbh, from frank discussions with my loved ones, virtually everyone is on the cusp of serious mental breakdown currently.

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

Every country has had the virus. Not every country was the worst in the world in terms of cases / hundred thousand.

The virus is not responsible for our lack of implementing preventative public health measures. We do implement them but only after it's too late. I'd love to see a bit forethought going into our plan for 2021. Call me demanding but these yoyo lockdowns really don't seem to be working for the majority of people.

2021 is far too late to be coming up with a new plan, this is the one we have and numbers are easing. It is also a strategy endorsed by NPHET and government. I don't expect another one like this and see a gradual up to the summer. What we learn in the next 3-4 months will tell us what happens after that.

AdamD

caveat emptor wrote: »

Everyone is sick of it alright. What's disproportionate negativity? It is great that cases and hospitalisations are falling. It'll be great when they are at a low enough level to open up again.

Given that this is the 3rd such wave do you think that this time will be different? I think the mandatory hotel quarantine is needed to stop the reseeding of the virus once the benefits of these harsh restrictions are reaped. Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is crazy.

Of course it will be different, we have multiple vaccines for **** sake.

Plumbthedepths

Qwertyminger wrote: »

Well it's unseen but we know roughly how it spreads and have a team of people advising on how to avoid that.

Shame leo and the other guys didn't bother taking that guidance.

Also sorry to be morbid but I know three people who have killed themselves this year. Is there anywhere that tracks and reports on those statistics? Also I know one posted a note online and it was removed by the platform very promptly (within hours). The lack of data and deplatforming of those who have taken their own lives because of this situation makes it seem like we want to erase any trace of those who struggled and block out their memory instead of supporting each other through it.

Tbh, from frank discussions with my loved ones, virtually everyone is on the cusp of serious mental breakdown currently.

Not looking for a row but this may come as a surprise but Leo and lads have to weigh up more than just what Nphet deems the best thing to do. Nphet have only one remit , the government has many aspects to consider. It's a balancing act which I don't envy them trying to navigate.
If it were up to Nphet everyone would be sitting at home waiting for a vaccine .

CIARAN_BOYLE

Can we assume 68 hospital deaths

Hospital numbers yesterday 1366
Admissions 92
Discharges 82
Hospital numbers today 1308

Great to see hospital numbers trending downwards but sad to draw conclusions on the number of deaths.

Qwertyminger

AdamD wrote: »

Of course it will be different, we have multiple vaccines for **** sake.

Vaccine rollout isn't impacting this wave. Multiple sources have said vaccines won't be effective until late 2021 early 2022, if at all.

I say "if at all" because there's evidence they're only 60% effective in preventing severe disease, several of them don't prevent transmission of covid and the rollout has been painful so far.

So I'm not sure why you think the vaccine rollout will impact this wave except to presume hearing constantly that that's our strategy has confused you.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not looking for a row but this may come as a surprise but Leo and lads have to weigh up more than just what Nphet deems the best thing to do. Nphet have only one remit , the government has many aspects to consider. It's a balancing act which I don't envy them trying to navigate.
If it were up to Nphet everyone would be sitting at home waiting for a vaccine .

If it were up to the government we'd work until we were dead and bad management of covid would have killed us all already.