Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

zuutroy

Bird is an idiot. That documentary about his time in Washington showed him up as a crackpot.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2U7LxwkZY6PGWnimTwlR9x?si=7F_RKER4Qq6RDAqyLY6l7Q

I don't know how to feel.

Jinglejangle69

From reading the school forum it seems a lot of people are still in fear of the virus and their kids catching it.

Is that the general consensus out there?

I find it bizarre people are still in such fear that their kids are better off and safer at home from the virus.

I thought a year on its more clear about who should be a bit fearful of this virus.

200,000 confirmed cases today. And god knows how many have had it but didn't know.

Have we been put into a permanent state of fear now going forward?

I dunno. Maybe it's just me.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2U7LxwkZY6PGWnimTwlR9x?si=7F_RKER4Qq6RDAqyLY6l7Q

I don't know how to feel.

I do, I retched as soon as I read "Superstar immunologist Luke O'Neill..." They might as well have thrown in multi-millionaire has grin permanently strapped to his face as he rides out pandemic in relative luxury.

eigrod

eigrod wrote: »

Hospitalisations down to 1,300. ICU down to 198.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-03-february-2021.pdf

Hospitalisations 1,239 and ICU 183 tonight.

Going pretty quickly in the right direction, while acknowledging the very sad reason that contributes to the ICU reduction.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I do, I retched as soon as I read "Superstar immunologist Luke O'Neill..." They might as well have thrown in multi-millionaire has grin permanently strapped to his face as he rides out pandemic in relative luxury.

I know. But Bertie. 2 or 4 years of some kind of restrictions. Maybe he just means a bit of mask wearing here and there.

manofwisdom

eigrod wrote: »

Hospitalisations 1,239 and ICU 183 tonight.

Going pretty quickly in the right direction, while acknowledging the very sad reason that contributes to the ICU reduction.

Well on course to having 600 to 800 in hospital by the end of this month as Prof Nolan said he could be.

hotmail.com

Britain introducing hotel quarantine for 30 countries from February 15.

Ireland will get around to it sometime around October.

Dr. Em

The discussion around death rates obscures the full impact of the pandemic. Two people close to me 'came through' after being infected. One of them rang me to say goodbye at one point because she didn't think she was going to make it. She -healthy, fit and under 60 - says it was the sickest she has ever been in her life.

My grandmother has also 'recovered' from Covid: in the space of two months, she has gone from living independently in her own house to trying to relearn how to lift her arm from the bed after 4 strokes. These aren't cases that are included in the death rates - thankfully - but they aren't mere inconveniences either.

marno21

The rate of decline of hospital numbers is quite steep so far. It's far steeper than what was expected by NPHET in their briefings throughout January.

On Monday 25/01 at 8am it was 1948, it's now 1239. 36.4% drop in 11 days.

patnor1011

There is a cold front coming so expect more hospitalizations. From all the data we have so far covid behave the same way other viruses like flu or cold do.

I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.
The 10 most feared words in the English language.

Word government can be substituted for NPHET.

caveat emptor

patnor1011 wrote: »

There is a cold front coming so expect more hospitalizations. From all the data we have so far covid behave the same way other viruses like flu or cold do.

I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.
The 10 most feared words in the English language.

Word government can be substituted for NPHET.

Why stop there? You could substitute NPHET for Stalinist aliens who advise the feeblest mutant government in the history of the state. Creative writing is fun.

Turtwig

patnor1011 wrote: »

There is a cold front coming so expect more hospitalizations. From all the data we have so far covid behave the same way other viruses like flu or cold do.

I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.
The 10 most feared words in the English language.

Word government can be substituted for NPHET.

Meh, I much preferred the planetary conjuction theory.

One out of ten for effort.

Stateofyou

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

From reading the school forum it seems a lot of people are still in fear of the virus and their kids catching it.

Is that the general consensus out there?

I find it bizarre people are still in such fear that their kids are better off and safer at home from the virus.

I thought a year on its more clear about who should be a bit fearful of this virus.

200,000 confirmed cases today. And god knows how many have had it but didn't know.

Have we been put into a permanent state of fear now going forward?

I dunno. Maybe it's just me.

What a disingenuous misrepresentation. First of all there were strong words recently had (by me in fact, and I'm on that thread most days) that it's not about whether the kids are effected. It's the fact that they bring it home and spread it on.Bad for older and vulnerable people they live with, and bad for the community of which those in the school community are a part. There are also many older and vulnerable teachers.
And finally, there's a new dominant strain that early studies suggest it may impact children more. And it's more contagious. If you're a parent nothing in life is more important than that role, and no one wants to roll the dice and risk covid being brought into the home. It's not "bizarre" to want your children and yourself/your family/their teacher/others in the community to be safe.
Rude and flippant post off you, as per usual.

OwenM

Stateofyou wrote: »

What a disingenuous misrepresentation. First of all there were strong words recently had (by me in fact, and I'm on that thread most days) that it's not about whether the kids are effected. It's the fact that they bring it home and spread it on.Bad for older and vulnerable people they live with, and bad for the community of which those in the school community are a part. There are also many older and vulnerable teachers.
And finally, there's a new dominant strain that early studies suggest it may impact children more. And it's more contagious. If you're a parent nothing in life is more important than that role, and no one wants to roll the dice and risk covid being brought into the home. It's not "bizarre" to want your children and yourself/your family/their teacher/others in the community to be safe.
Rude and flippant post off you, as per usual.

That was speculated a couple of weeks ago, and as we all know the press love a good scare story so the lack of any further coverage would suggest to me that it's not true.

Lifelong generational harm in many forms results from deprivation of education, the kids need to go back to school soon.

the corpo

Up to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid disease

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/up-to-100-uk-children-a-week-hospitalised-with-rare-post-covid-disease

eagle eye

I think it'll be Easter before we come out of this lockdown. Hopefully by then we are down to low double digit new cases and we should have all the over 65's vaccinated.

Loafing Oaf

eagle eye wrote: »

I think it'll be Easter before we come out of this lockdown. Hopefully by then we are down to low double digit new cases and we should have all the over 65's vaccinated.

Maybe a slight easing of restrictions in early March though?

Stateofyou

OwenM wrote: »

That was speculated a couple of weeks ago, and as we all know the press love a good scare story so the lack of any further coverage would suggest to me that it's not true.

Lifelong generational harm in many forms results from deprivation of education, the kids need to go back to school soon.

They're not being deprived of an education. They are learning from home. Some people choose to homeschool their children covid aside, and our right to do is enshrined in the Irish constitution. Are parents who make that choice depriving their children?

It's everything else being closed having an impact on EVERYONE. No socialising in each other's homes, no family get togethers, no arts, no music, no pubs, no restaurants, no weekends away, no sports, no scouts etc. Life has stopped for everyone. And for some kids being bullied at school on a regular basis, it's actually a respite.

seamus

Turtwig wrote: »

Yet, when someone apparently healthy dies we have to resort to assuming they had something wrong with them.

It's a very natural, human thing to do; to disassociate oneself with a tragedy. "That wouldn't happen to me, because...", and so forth.

Someone gets murdered on holiday in Turkey - "Well, you couldn't pay me to go to Turkey anyway, very dangerous country".
Young person dies in a car crash - "Probably driving like a crazy man"
Person commits suicide - "God love him, he must have been in a terrible place"
Person dies of lung cancer - "Was probably the aul smoking. That's why I never did it"
Young person dies of Covid - "Must have had some kind of underlying condition"

It's why things like terrorism or childhood cancer hit really hard; it's very difficult to convince yourself that it couldn't happen to you.

Deaths in the 30-50 cohort are rare. But still a considerable risk. Someone aged 30-50 contracting Covid this year increases your risk of death (from all causes) by about 10%. Which is quite a feat for a single disease. I'm not particularly worried about dying this year, and my odds are pretty low (about 1 in 3,000). But I'd rather keep them as low as I can and not tempt fate.

patnor1011 wrote: »

There is a cold front coming so expect more hospitalizations. From all the data we have so far covid behave the same way other viruses like flu or cold do.

Cold and 'flu don't get worse in cold weather. The association with cold weather is down to increased indoor mixing and better survival ability in cold & damp conditions.

If anything the weather system which appears to be approaching, should be very helpful as it will drastically reduce human movement even further. If it's anything like 2018 or 2010, some essential service like deliveries will be paused for a few days and everyone who has been going to work when they don't need to, will stop.

hynesie08

https://mobile.twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1357637954039123970


Let the floodgates open.....

thelad95

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1357637954039123970


Let the floodgates open.....

This is to the detriment of the rest of us, watch everyone's motor insurance magically increase yet again!

CIARAN_BOYLE

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Maybe a slight easing of restrictions in early March though?

Maybe. The earlier some things open up the later other things open.

It probably depends on icu numbers which have been stubbornly high so far.

Sanjuro

Stateofyou wrote: »

They're not being deprived of an education. They are learning from home. Some people choose to homeschool their children covid aside, and our right to do is enshrined in the Irish constitution. Are parents who make that choice depriving their children?

It's everything else being closed having an impact on EVERYONE. No socialising in each other's homes, no family get togethers, no arts, no music, no pubs, no restaurants, no weekends away, no sports, no scouts etc. Life has stopped for everyone. And for some kids being bullied at school on a regular basis, it's actually a respite.

Sorry, this is a bull**** equivalency. The home schooling that's happening during the pandemic and parents who otherwise choose to educate their children at home are not in any way similar. The children being schooled at home now are used to an environment with other kids, a teacher who is not their parent. They aren't being taught from a syllabus that's cobbled together in reaction to a change in environment. That's not a criticism of the teachers. They're doing a brilliant job, but it's not the same as the school environment. Some kids are doing fine. Others are struggling. Far more than would be when they're in school. And parents are not teachers. They're not trained as teachers. They don't carry the same authority as teachers. And many are trying to juggle teaching, child minding and jobs. Everybody is suffering as a result. To think that home schooling and pandemic home schooling are the same is absurd.

polesheep

the corpo wrote: »

Up to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid disease

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/up-to-100-uk-children-a-week-hospitalised-with-rare-post-covid-disease

From the article: “It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and [PIMS] would not be a reason to keep schools from opening.

polesheep

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1357637954039123970


Let the floodgates open.....

Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember insurance companies being bailed out by the taxpayer. We can probably expect a levy on the pint.

OwenM

Stateofyou wrote: »

They're not being deprived of an education. They are learning from home. Some people choose to homeschool their children covid aside, and our right to do is enshrined in the Irish constitution. Are parents who make that choice depriving their children?

It's everything else being closed having an impact on EVERYONE. No socialising in each other's homes, no family get togethers, no arts, no music, no pubs, no restaurants, no weekends away, no sports, no scouts etc. Life has stopped for everyone. And for some kids being bullied at school on a regular basis, it's actually a respite.

That's a very simplistic view of the reality of how 'learning at home' is being delivered and it's effectiveness, along with the social and developmental elements that accompany actual school attendance.

iamwhoiam

OwenM wrote: »

That's a very simplistic view of the reality of how 'learning at home' is being delivered and it's effectiveness, along with the social and developmental elements that accompany actual school attendance.

Exactly if it were that simple we wouldnt need schools or trained teachers

ArthurDayne

Stateofyou wrote: »

They're not being deprived of an education. They are learning from home. Some people choose to homeschool their children covid aside, and our right to do is enshrined in the Irish constitution. Are parents who make that choice depriving their children?

Well, yes, it’s very possible that they are.

The quality of homeschooling probably varies wildly and different families have different levels of time and capability to provide a good and well-rounded education to children. If homeschooling involves a parent hammering it into a child’s head that they will go to hell if they read Harry Potter for example, or that Gandalf is an emissary of Satan, then one could quite reasonably say that the child is being deprived.

Stateofyou wrote: »

It's everything else being closed having an impact on EVERYONE. No socialising in each other's homes, no family get togethers, no arts, no music, no pubs, no restaurants, no weekends away, no sports, no scouts etc. Life has stopped for everyone. And for some kids being bullied at school on a regular basis, it's actually a respite.

Is there a compelling reason why those parents who are comfortable enough with their children going to school should not be able to let them?

It is for parents to weigh up what they perceive to be in the best interest of their children and family home. If a parent decides that the risk of sending their child to school outweighs the benefits to the child’s development then that is a choice for them. I do not see it as being beyond the realms of human endeavour that our education system could at least cater to some extent for children whose parents do not wish to send their children to school. Extra work for teachers yes — but these are extraordinary times and we are all having to dig deep into our resolve.

Stateofyou

Sanjuro wrote: »

Sorry, this is a bull**** equivalency. The home schooling that's happening during the pandemic and parents who otherwise choose to educate their children at home are not in any way similar. The children being schooled at home now are used to an environment with other kids, a teacher who is not their parent. They aren't being taught from a syllabus that's cobbled together in reaction to a change in environment. That's not a criticism of the teachers. They're doing a brilliant job, but it's not the same as the school environment. Some kids are doing fine. Others are struggling. Far more than would be when they're in school. And parents are not teachers. They're not trained as teachers. They don't carry the same authority as teachers. And many are trying to juggle teaching, child minding and jobs. Everybody is suffering as a result. To think that home schooling and pandemic home schooling are the same is absurd.

I didn't say it was an equivalency, nor did I try to make it one. I'm simply talking about outcomes re home education.Parents who choose this in regular times aren't damaging their kids! We're in a pandemic, everything is different. But to say education has stopped is not true. The syllabus isn't "cobbled together," it seems to be continuing from their same books and materials taught by their same teacher. Give me a break. I don't know why you're pontificating about parents vs teachers either. I never said they were the same so your post is ridiculous. I said education hasn't stopped.