Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

podgeandrodge

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

60 euros for two jabs is fine.

Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.

Professor Moriarty

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.

Good point. Many people will be going in to their GP for their jab and saying "By the way, Doctor....".

Ficheall

Roger_007 wrote: »

What’s happening in India. It was predicted that India would be one of the worst hit countries but the latest figures suggest that the rate of new infections is vanishingly small and declining steadily. If our infection rate was the same as India we would have less than 5 cases per day.
Have they achieved herd immunity?

They also had almost linear growth followed by almost linear decline.. I'm not sure I'd trust their numbers.

JP Liz V1

New data from the UK suggests that, contrary to the initial reports, the UK strain might actually be more deadly than the original variant. Dr. Peter Rabinowitz is the director of the UW Center for One Health Research

seamus

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Good point. Many people will be going in to their GP for their jab and saying "By the way, Doctor....".

They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.

Jim_Hodge

seamus wrote: »

They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.

Fully agree. And, in line with other vaccinations at many GP practices, it'll mostly be the practice nurses doing them anyway.

Plumbthedepths

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

New data from the UK suggests that, contrary to the initial reports, the UK strain might actually be more deadly than the original variant. Dr. Peter Rabinowitz is the director of the UW Center for One Health Research

Can you post a link to this please?

Deeper Blue

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can you post a link to this please?

It's just based on the exact same evidence as that published on 21st January when it was first announced by Boris Johnson. I have no clue why it's been posted today.

eagle eye

jams100 wrote:

I would've agreed with you last year but these days I'm not so sure. Come the summer we'll be told we'll be rewarded by getting to go to another county and then we'll be blamed for something some next winter again. That cycle will just continue.

As soon as we get down to double digits there'll be inter county travel again.
Lol I remember the amount of people attacking me on here when I suggested we were opening up two weeks too early at Christmas. Lessons hopefully have been learned now and we stay shut until this thing gets down to mid double digits. I personally believe we'll get there just before Easter.

At that stage we hopefully have started vaccinating those with underlying conditions. We will continue to social distance, wear masks and wash our hands but we should be able to visit other households.

jams100 wrote:

Either way come two to three years time we'll be back to 700 people on trolleys. Sorry for being so negative this morning but i really don't see any long term change coming from this other than the working from home thing

This is an entirely separate issue. I wish I had it in me to go out and find like-minded people who would be interested in sorting this country out and form a new political party with the aim of asking the electorate to give us one term to fix the health service, our welfare system and the many other areas that need to fixed. I'm talking about putting together a group of non-politicians, experts like doctors, nurses, accountants, economists etc.
It's been made clear during this pandemic that the three largest parties are not capable of running a country.

Gruffalux

Here is a passing thought on India. People mentioned their generally low numbers. Bhang is used in cooking there, and in yoghurt drinks, even among people who do not smoke weed. Mumbai and New Delhi are among the top 10 cities in the world for the consumption of cannabis, specifically as drink or sweetened recipes. Cannabis also grows wild and is used in the villages.

https://www.rt.com/news/514596-cbd-effective-covid-support-treatment/

It could be that contributes a bit, plus rural use of cheap Ivermectin against parasitic diseases (prophylactic use has been studied in Bhubaneshwar - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.29.20222661v1.full.pdf ) plus generally being tough from having a lot more dirt and disease than we have to cope with.

gipi

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.

Some people (my father was one of them) get increased blood pressure when in a medical setting, so a health check during vaccination visits might not give totally accurate results.

podgeandrodge

gipi wrote: »

Some people (my father was one of them) get increased blood pressure when in a medical setting, so a health check during vaccination visits might not give totally accurate results.

Yes. White coat. But still will show up serious issues.

Happydays2020

seamus wrote: »

They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.

It is GP practice driven, but does that mean GPs have to give the jab?

runawaybishop

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It is GP practice driven, but does that mean GPs have to give the jab?

Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.

Storm 10

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Yes. White coat. But still will show up serious issues.

Just checked the NHS when going for the vaccine no mention of blood pressure check you will be asked if you are allergic to anything if not you get the injection, if the were going to start medical checks they would never get it done relation in the North got it asked questions on allergy then the injection

Happydays2020

runawaybishop wrote: »

Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.

Agree. We are outsourcing the logistics. For over 70's that works.

MerlinSouthDub

1024 cases
12 deaths

eagle eye

Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.

Gael23

eagle eye wrote: »

Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.

Death figures on weekends are rarely accurate.

suicide_circus

Roger_007 wrote: »

Dr Nina and the rest of the GPs are going to make a fortune on the vaccinations. They have negotiated a rate of €60 per person vaccinated. (All vaccines and syringes etc supplied to them free, of course).

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's a disgrace.

It's naked profiteering is what it is

podgeandrodge

eagle eye wrote: »

Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.

How's your brother getting on with the Ivermectin. Seems they haven't ruled it out just yet. Heat well turn out to be right, but a tad premature.

iamwhoiam

runawaybishop wrote: »

Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.

I see a local GPs car in the drive of the surgery today
He never works on a Sunday so am presuming he is organising his lists and schedules etc . It takes a lot of pre organisation

eagle eye

podgeandrodge wrote:

How's your brother getting on with the Ivermectin. Seems they haven't ruled it out just yet. Heat well turn out to be right, but a tad premature.

The Ivermectin treatment is currently in a clinical trial in Oxford.

Happydays2020

Gael23 wrote: »

Death figures on weekends are rarely accurate.

They are rarely accurate any day.

Happydays2020

Last 5 Sunday's

January 10th - 4842
January 17th - 3231
January 24th - 1910
January 31st - 1414
February 7th - 1024

Happydays2020

suicide_circus wrote: »

It's naked profiteering is what it is

I disagree. That is for two shots and all the admin.

suicide_circus

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I disagree. That is for two shots and all the admin.

£12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.

Happydays2020

suicide_circus wrote: »

£12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.

Or that the wages of the nurses, admin etc are probably already covered under the NHS.

suicide_circus

That could be it. Still a hell of a difference. Do we not have nurses and admin employed by the HSE?

Geuze

suicide_circus wrote: »

£12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.

GBP 12.58 per dose in UK, = approx 14 euro per dose


Here 25 dose + 25 dose + 10 for admin = 60 per person for two doses.


I'm guessing the NHS does the "admin" in the UK, whereas it seems the HSE has decided to ask/get the GP practices to do the "admin".