Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

stephenjmcd

eviltimeban wrote: »

Don't know about that. I know many people who originally loved working from home during the first lockdown, and now they can't f**cking wait to get back into the office.

Only so much staying at home people can take.

Same in my place. It was loved for a few months, now people are over it, fed up and can't wait to get back. Most say they'll probably mix it up with days at home here and there but vast vast majority itching to get back.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Spanish Flu '18 to '21 life returned to normal shortly after. Ever hear the phrase the 'roaring twenties' ?

Society then was nothing of the complexity that we have now.

And was the 'roaring 20's' not different to what preceded it? Behaviours changed substantially, as ours will

Hmob

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Spanish Flu '18 to '21 life returned to normal shortly after. Ever hear the phrase the 'roaring twenties' ?

Agree

Some posters are stuck in a moment

Life moves on and people want to live

The majority don't want to be stuck behind a mask without good reason

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Society then was nothing of the complexity that we have now.

Spanish Flu was more devastating 50 to 80 million deaths yet life returned to normal. My advice to you would be don't place any bets on your predictions.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Spanish Flu was more devastating 50 to 80 million deaths yet life returned to normal. My advice to you would be don't place any bets on your predictions.

Well, my advice back to you is that don't expect 2023 to look like 2019

Hmob

Hmob wrote: »

Agree

Some posters are stuck in a moment

Life moves on and people want to live

The majority don't want to be stuck behind a mask without good reason

But that's not what we are saying. We wont wear masks forever. But society will come back different to what it was - a natural evolution - not worse, not better, just dfferent. As will our economic and travelling models

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, my advice back to you is that don't expect 2023 to look like 2019

Life in 23 will be very similar to 19, the virus will fade into the background through either vaccination or less harmful variants.

Hmob

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But that's not what we are saying. We wont wear masks forever. But society will come back different to what it was - a natural evolution - not worse, not better, just dfferent. As will our economic and travelling models

Society doesn't evolve that fast

Hmob

Hmob wrote: »

Society doesn't evolve that fast

We'll see. I believe that, in a vacuum, and with many of its outlets substantially changed or closed, that it will.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I always used to be one of those people. I thought that we would snap back to normality in 2022 pretty quick when this is done. But am definitely recalibrating my expectations

You were indeed.

I don’t see normality returning for the remainder of the lives of certain citizens.

I know of a married couple in their late 60’s, no underlying conditions, both were regularly active and capable folk. They won’t leave their home since Christmas, even to go for exercise outside because they are petrified of catching the disease. A daughter leaves shopping at their doorstep.

I can’t see them ever being capable of normal socialising again, vaccinated or not. I wonder will those over 65 ever have confidence to socialise in groups again?

sonofenoch

Hmob wrote: »

Agree

Some posters are stuck in a moment

Life moves on and people want to live

The majority don't want to be stuck behind a mask without good reason

I dunno, nearly a year now and I haven't had so much as a sniffle never mind the flu and I know more than a few others the same ......granted none of us have being seeing as many people as normal but makes you think .....stuff like that and sanitizing hands in general after touching 'stuff' might stick around, seems to make sense now

though on seconds thoughts I think none of it will, people will go on doing what people do and so the world turns

Hmob

Rte news now

"Over 3000 deaths caused by the virus". here

Is that an accurate statement?

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

I am going to launch into a bit of an existential narrative here, but this is what I think:

We will never go back to 2019 behaviours and way of living. Not because of the virus itself, and our defending against it. But because you don't subject society to such a seismic interruption and not expect it to evolve.

Assuming that it is spring 2024 in which we are in a position to be completely back to normal (that is my expectation now because of the pace of vaccine rollout across much of the world, and the variants that our governments will continue to try to mitigate against). We will have had 4 years of interruption (of a greater or a lesser degree) to our way of life.

• That is an entire college cohort who have never known Harcourt Street at 3am on a Sunday morning. It is a cohort of teenagers who have become of age and had to adapt to very different ways of interacting.
  
• We will see the airline sector decimated, and flights become much more expensive in the new operating model (probably back to early 1990's type scenario). Tourist cities will have reclaimed their airbnbs etc for local housing, and remodelled themselves. So the weekend city breaks, the stags in Dublin or Tallinn, are probably over. We will be back to less frequent longer holidays. Emerging regions will take years to recover from the social issues that COVID has wrought, so we'll be back to the intrepid 1990's style backpackers exploring them again,
  
• Cities will be different, as we are working remotely, from rural locations. Universities will probably stay a little online, so less crazy student drinking (and students wont have been brought into that culture anyway). Loads of pubs will be shut, probably never to re-open.
  
• And our economic model will change. With more out of work, the acceleration of digital trends and a move toward UBI.

COVID will have accelerated things that might have otherwise have taken a decade or more. But to expect that our way of life does not evolve in this vacuum I think is naive.

We will get back to a normal. But I dont think that it will be a 2019 normal. It will be something different. Perhaps very different the longer this goes on

Flights won’t sky rocket. Less people on aircraft means what ? Less weight ! The heavier an aircraft, the more fuel it requires to get from A-B... Jet A-1 is expensive... airlines can adjust their pricing models to suit this....the lighter the aircraft, less wear on the breaks when landing, less runway required to takeoff, less trip fuel needed en route no different from a car going from Dublin to Galway with 5 people vs 3 people, you use less fuel transporting 3 because 5 people and bags will weigh half a tonne approximately ... 3 about 300 kgs...

It takes more for a car and it’s engine and parts to propel 500kgs of weight plus the vehicle itself then 300kgs plus vehicle.

phormium

I have caught two head colds already this winter and I'm wfh, see practically nobodyexcept some family in December and shop maybe every 2 weeks if even so not sure even all the sanitising/masks etc has got rid of that as I have bottles of sanitiser everywhere!

Roger_007

Hmob wrote: »

Rte news now

"Over 3000 deaths caused by the virus". here

Is that an accurate statement?

The only way to estimate that figure is by comparing the excess deaths over the period from when the pandemic started up to date. We don’t have that figure officially yet because of the lag in reporting deaths in ROI.
Probably the nearest we could get is the data held by rip.ie.

saabsaab

phormium wrote: »

I have caught two head colds already this winter and I'm wfh, see practically nobodyexcept some family in December and shop maybe every 2 weeks if even so not sure even all the sanitising/masks etc has got rid of that as I have bottles of sanitiser everywhere!

Noticed a fair few wearing masks below the nose or even on the chin! in shops. Some staff too but they are behind a screen at least.

kerrylad1

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Life in 23 will be very similar to 19, the virus will fade into the background through either vaccination or less harmful variants.

Please god.

BrianD3

Deleted User wrote: »

I am going to launch into a bit of an existential narrative here, but this is what I think:

We will never go back to 2019 behaviours and way of living. Not because of the virus itself, and our defending against it. But because you don't subject society to such a seismic interruption and not expect it to evolve.

Assuming that it is spring 2024 in which we are in a position to be completely back to normal (that is my expectation now because of the pace of vaccine rollout across much of the world, and the variants that our governments will continue to try to mitigate against). We will have had 4 years of interruption (of a greater or a lesser degree) to our way of life.

• That is an entire college cohort who have never known Harcourt Street at 3am on a Sunday morning. It is a cohort of teenagers who have become of age and had to adapt to very different ways of interacting.
  
• We will see the airline sector decimated, and flights become much more expensive in the new operating model (probably back to early 1990's type scenario). Tourist cities will have reclaimed their airbnbs etc for local housing, and remodelled themselves. So the weekend city breaks, the stags in Dublin or Tallinn, are probably over. We will be back to less frequent longer holidays. Emerging regions will take years to recover from the social issues that COVID has wrought, so we'll be back to the intrepid 1990's style backpackers exploring them again,
  
• Cities will be different, as we are working remotely, from rural locations. Universities will probably stay a little online, so less crazy student drinking (and students wont have been brought into that culture anyway). Loads of pubs will be shut, probably never to re-open.
  
• And our economic model will change. With more out of work, the acceleration of digital trends and a move toward UBI.

COVID will have accelerated things that might have otherwise have taken a decade or more. But to expect that our way of life does not evolve in this vacuum I think is naive.

We will get back to a normal. But I dont think that it will be a 2019 normal. It will be something different. Perhaps very different the longer this goes on

Good post - worthy of a thread on its own instead of buried in this one.

Comparisons with the likes of the Spanish Flu are not particularly relevant, many aspects of society are very different then they were then therefore the effects will be different.

I'd predict a mild form of PTSD in a significant number of people that will take a long time to clear if it ever does. Some won't want to leave the house, others will want to shag anything with a pulse.

Different attitudes to nursing homes and care of the elderly. Could be a positive thing.

Different attitude to funerals

The jobs market turning against old style management which insists on dragging people into offices

Consumerism may reduce or increase as people rethink what's important in life or alternatively adopt an exaggerated "Fvck it, I cant take it with me" attitude

And as for how governments react - the Christmas 2020 debacle in Ireland could have long term effects, politicians and public servants will be terrified of a repeat. Even without Christmas 2020, we could now be in a spiral of ass covering, safety at all costs, protecting people from each other and themselves, trying to cure death etc.

Jinglejangle69

100,000 people arrived into the country through Dublin Airport in January

I'm not even angry anymore.

It's just Laughable:)

Mugs is the only word I can think of.

kerrylad1

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You were indeed.

I don’t see normality returning for the remainder of the lives of certain citizens.

I know of a married couple in their late 60’s, no underlying conditions, both were regularly active and capable folk. They won’t leave their home since Christmas, even to go for exercise outside because they are petrified of catching the disease. A daughter leaves shopping at their doorstep.

I can’t see them ever being capable of normal socialising again, vaccinated or not. I wonder will those over 65 ever have confidence to socialise in groups again?

Not all o.a.p's are like this.My father is off to lanzorate for a month soon.He is sick,of being stuck at home,on his own,with the odd visit from us,looking out his window,waving at his grandson.
In his words,(this is not living)
Wish we were going with him,to be honest.

runawaybishop

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

100,000 people arrived into the country through Dublin Airport in January

I'm not even angry anymore.

It's just Laughable:)

We would normally have about ~2.5 million a month, that's a serious reduction.

saabsaab

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Not all o.a.p's are like this.My father is off to lanzorate for a month soon.He is sick,of being stuck at home,on his own,with the odd visit from us,looking out his window,waving at his grandson.
In his words,(this is not living)
Wish we were going with him,to be honest.

Not a good idea..


'
In early January 2021, Lanzarote moved into the yellow and then the red traffic light zone in consecutive weeks due to rapidly rising numbers following Christmas gatherings.
One 23rd January 2021, a new “Brown” traffic light – level 4, was introduced, as the number of ICU patients in Lanzarote hospital reached a critical point. At this stage, for the first time during the pandemic, there were more than 1,000 active cases on the island, and we were firmly in the third wave.'

spookwoman

hse operations reports for last 2 days out

6/2/2021

In Hospital 1191 +41
ICU 178 +1
2 Deaths
135 ventilated +9

Confirmed Deaths so far for Febuary 176.
ICU Deaths for Febuary 35


7/2/2021
In Hospital 1212 +13
ICU 177 -1
4 Deaths
132 ventilated -3

Confirmed Deaths so far for Febuary 188.
ICU Deaths for Febuary 39.

bodhrandude

runawaybishop wrote: »

We would normally have about ~2.5 million a month, that's a serious reduction.

100,000 is still a fecking lot for a pandemic

podgeandrodge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You were indeed.

I don’t see normality returning for the remainder of the lives of certain citizens.

I know of a married couple in their late 60’s, no underlying conditions, both were regularly active and capable folk. They won’t leave their home since Christmas, even to go for exercise outside because they are petrified of catching the disease. A daughter leaves shopping at their doorstep.

I can’t see them ever being capable of normal socialising again, vaccinated or not. I wonder will those over 65 ever have confidence to socialise in groups again?

I know a lot of couples in their late 60's. Vast majority not None of them afraid to leave their house. And definitely looking forward to "normal socialising" again. Taking normal precautions like the most of us but not petrified.

I would say your friends are in a minority tbh.

Strumms

Both my parents, aunts and uncles and their friends are just getting on with it, adhering to restrictions, my Dad has had to be managed a little, tough love as its in his nature to be there helping people and in a crisis it is always him mucking in and ‘being there’ .. that instinct has had to be trained out of him..for now.

kerrylad1

saabsaab wrote: »

Not a good idea..


'
In early January 2021, Lanzarote moved into the yellow and then the red traffic light zone in consecutive weeks due to rapidly rising numbers following Christmas gatherings.
One 23rd January 2021, a new “Brown” traffic light – level 4, was introduced, as the number of ICU patients in Lanzarote hospital reached a critical point. At this stage, for the first time during the pandemic, there were more than 1,000 active cases on the island, and we were firmly in the third wave.'

He knows all this.Nothing will stop him heading off.He is going,unless the government stop the flights,he will be walking/jogging 10k every morning,in the sun.
At 77,i am begining to wonder,if its the sun,or the ladies of the night,that keeps him returning.😀

FintanMcluskey

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I know a lot of couples in their late 60's. Vast majority not None of them afraid to leave their house. And definitely looking forward to "normal socialising" again. Taking normal precautions like the most of us but not petrified.

I would say your friends are in a minority tbh.

They possibly are the minority as regards not leaving the house.

As regards “normal socialising”, what’s normal precautions?

Isn’t that statement a contradiction?

phormium

phormium wrote: »

I have caught two head colds already this winter and I'm wfh, see practically nobodyexcept some family in December and shop maybe every 2 weeks if even so not sure even all the sanitising/masks etc has got rid of that as I have bottles of sanitiser everywhere!

I've had a couple of colds too, went and got tested for one of them, came back negative.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-some-people-are-still-getting-sick-but-not-with-covid/

Wolf359f

spookwoman wrote: »

hse operations reports for last 2 days out

6/2/2021

In Hospital 1191 +41
ICU 178 +1
2 Deaths
135 ventilated +9

Confirmed Deaths so far for Febuary 176.
ICU Deaths for Febuary 35


7/2/2021
In Hospital 1212 +13
ICU 177 -1
4 Deaths
132 ventilated -3

Confirmed Deaths so far for Febuary 188.
ICU Deaths for Febuary 39.

You wouldn't happen to know how many ICU discharges there has been in Feb so far?
I'm just curious to see the ratio.