Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

timsey tiger

amandstu wrote: »

Not to be rude but I thought I was dumb.

(don't think the one would displace the other)

That is rude, the question is not dumb. Indeed one of the first inspirations of vaccines was such a situation abet a natural one.

This from Wikipedia on Edward Jenner: "He used it in 1798 in the long title of his Inquiry into the Variolae vaccinae known as the Cow Pox, in which he described the protective effect of cowpox against smallpox."

Unfortunately, as we see with the current situation, even if we could develop such a virus, the dangers of mutation to something more dangerious would be too high. Probably consent issues too, antivaxxers be pissed :pac:

seamus

seamus wrote: »

What makes you think it can be made in a lab?

I thought those labs were about working with viruses. A quick Google brings this up: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200721162446.htm

It's like the solution to malaria where you release modified mosquitoes that kill of the population.

timsey tiger

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought those labs were about working with viruses. A quick Google brings this up: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200721162446.htm

It's like the solution to malaria where you release modified mosquitoes that kill of the population.

Big difference between modding something and making something.

amandstu

timsey tiger wrote: »

That is rude, the question is not dumb. Indeed one of the first inspirations of vaccines was such a situation abet a natural one.

(I called myself dumb too. Others are welcome to be dumb along so long as they are happy to be corrected as necessary)

timsey tiger

amandstu wrote: »

(I called myself dumb too. Others are welcome to be dumb along so long as they are happy to be corrected as necessary)

It's all relative.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought those labs were about working with viruses. A quick Google brings this up: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200721162446.htm

It's like the solution to malaria where you release modified mosquitoes that kill of the population.

Yeah, it's considerably more complex than that unfortunately.

What we have been able to develop in recent times are modified forms of certain viruses, usually relatively benign ones like adenoviruses.

Their ability to replicate is limited or removed. They can still infect cells, but they cannot use those cells to produce more of themselves. The J&J vaccine uses this technique, and is probably somewhat related to the article you posted.

This is a bit like growing a plant that can't reproduce. It does everything else; produces fruit, flowers, stems, thorns. But it cannot reproduce. Quite a few of our food plants are like this.

What you are proposing is nearly the opposite; a virus that's basically only good at reproducing, but not good at everything else.

Unfortunately we don't really know what the "everything else" is. We don't know how to edit the virus's gene to remove the nasty bits, because we're not entirely sure what those nasty bits are.

Which leads to the enormous risk that you will succeed in producing a highly infectious variant, but fail at your task of making it less dangerous.

It's not a bad idea or a stupid question. We're just nowhere near that stage of technology yet.

The more experienced we get with gene sequencing and the more involved we get machine learning with it, the better we may get at being able to identify the moving parts of a gene sequence and edit them accurately. But it's way beyond us at the moment.

Niallof9

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0208/1195722-dog-rescued-mountain/

So one way around restrictions is to find lost dogs? Summit clearly not 5km. Or does a good news story void any restrictions?

hynesie08

Niallof9 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0208/1195722-dog-rescued-mountain/

So one way around restrictions is to find lost dogs? Summit clearly not 5km. Or does a good news story void any restrictions?

What? The couple who found it were hiking near their home, and it doesn't say where the owners were from? Or do you think the 5k should also apply for up?

stephenjmcd

Sunday 7th - 956 positives from 15377

Monday 8th - 780 positives from 12697

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday 7th - 956 positives from 15377

Monday 8th - 780 positives from 12697

Excellent figures

Niallof9

hynesie08 wrote: »

What? The couple who found it were hiking near their home, and it doesn't say where the owners were from? Or do you think the 5k should also apply for up?

They weren't out for a little stroll, they were on Lugnaquilla.

nah its not just me

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/?fbclid=IwAR1U-W2CppafiZY4GS2vUyDJHNmIpkvfXJayKT3S3AkXq3e3Fw_fRS4W4s4#/radio1/21892088

I mean maybe they live in Ballineddin, if not i'm struggling to see where else is within 5km of the summit.

No issue really myself, i suppose its always been one rule for some, not for others. Buried my Grandad at start of pandemic with 10 people there, while a funeral literally in the next plot had over 120 people. Anyway does finding a lost dog negate this? Cause if so i'm heading up there.

I mean i live at the base of Dublin Mountains, but getting to the top means i'm way beyond my 5km. I hate the 5km rule but i also hate all this hypocrisy and ****e around it.

seamus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday 7th - 956 positives from 15377

Monday 8th - 780 positives from 12697

The percentages are only OK, but it's also the lowest amount of testing we've done in a very long time. The raw swab numbers are good and this evening or tomorrow we might get a very morale-boosting figure.

Close contact testing is likely what's doing this, and we might see mass testing make a huge difference in swab percentage rates, and close contact testing making a downward difference in positivity rates next week.

Galwayhurl

Good numbers. Might be in a good place where we'll have several days this week with <1000 cases hopefully. That'll be good for us psychologically.

sonofenoch

Niallof9 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0208/1195722-dog-rescued-mountain/

So one way around restrictions is to find lost dogs? Summit clearly not 5km. Or does a good news story void any restrictions?

How the hell do you lose a dog in the Wicklow mountains and then decide to leave said dog there and well...go home :rolleyes:

is_that_so

seamus wrote: »

The percentages are only OK, but it's also the lowest amount of testing we've done in a very long time. The raw swab numbers are good and this evening or tomorrow we might get a very morale-boosting figure.

Close contact testing is likely what's doing this, and we might see mass testing make a huge difference in swab percentage rates, and close contact testing making a downward difference in positivity rates next week.

Shouldn't the mass testing in care homes be winding down at this stage? It's the only consistently large number.

mohawk

Roger_007 wrote: »

The case numbers are falling more quickly in SA than almost anywhere else......down from 20k per day to 2k per day since early Jan. There could be a seasonal element in this but it seems counterintuitive when the SA variant is deemed to be much more transmissible than the original virus.
What I’m having difficulty understanding is why parts of the world where millions of people live in overcrowded unsanitary conditions seem to have relatively low rates of infection.....places like Africa, India, Bangladesh and South East Asia.

It is most likely a combination of factors and we won’t fully know for sure until after the pandemic is over.
One factor is likely age. In Europe and North America you have roughly about a quarter of the population over 65. Where as that figure is roughly about 6% in Africa. Something like 40% of the African population are under 14. So basically the more developed countries have a higher percentage of people susceptible to this virus.

Next you have healthcare (I will try not to sound callous here). In the developing world you will have people dying of things that a person in a developed country would survive due to access to doctors, hospitals, surgeons etc. Think of the phrase associated with Darwin “survival of the fittest”.

Another factor is obesity. It’s a huge risk factor and is endemic in Europe/North America/Mexico etc. Not so prevalent in some of countries you have list.

Next we have testing and counting of deaths. Is everywhere testing to the same degree. No they are not.

These are my guesses as to possible causes that could explain why it doesn’t seem to be hitting some parts of the world as bad as others. There are probably many other possibilities that I haven’t thought of.

polesheep

sonofenoch wrote: »

How the hell do you lose a dog in the Wicklow mountains and then decide to leave said dog there and well...go home :rolleyes:

The owners may have gone back every day to look for it. It would be difficult to find.

eigrod

seamus wrote: »

The percentages are only OK, but it's also the lowest amount of testing we've done in a very long time.

The % has consistently been between 5% and 6.8% or so for the last 10 days. Lowish, but stubbornly not dropping below 5% yet.

timsey tiger

sonofenoch wrote: »

How the hell do you lose a dog in the Wicklow mountains and then decide to leave said dog there and well...go home :rolleyes:

It got dark, I'd be interested to know what you would do? :rolleyes:

vienne86

polesheep wrote: »

The owners may have gone back every day to look for it. It would be difficult to find.

I think that is more or less what happened.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely they'll continue it,to ensure vaccines are doing what they should....maybe do it less often etc?

At the time one of the HSE people said they would be doing it for a period. If they are looking to test vaccinated locations it comes under that column of waste of resources.

sonofenoch

timsey tiger wrote: »

It got dark, I'd be interested to know what you would do? :rolleyes:

Dunno have never lost a dog, can't imagine how you lose a dog ......I'd form a posse like John Wayne would, either that or top myself for leaving a dog for 2 weeks on a bloody mountain

is_that_so

It must be one of those days! Half of the posts on this thread are about a dog, the vaccines thread is into the AZ decision again and the AZ thread is about people (not) giving medical advice! A good day!

polesheep

is_that_so wrote: »

It must be one of those days! Half of the posts on this thread are about a dog, the vaccines thread is into the AZ decision again and the AZ thread is about people (not) giving medical advice! A good day!

It's obvious the government is trying to slip something through under the radar.;)

NIMAN

Heard this morning that NI travellers crossing into the Republic can be fined by the Guards from tomorrow.

How is this going to be enforced?

How can they make an NI resident pay up?

Hmob

NIMAN wrote: »

Heard this morning that NI travellers crossing into the Republic can be fined by the Guards from tomorrow.

How is this going to be enforced?

How can they make an NI resident pay up?

Seize their car/van

Release it when fine is paid

Harsh but they do it for motor tax

Jim_Hodge

NIMAN wrote: »

Heard this morning that NI travellers crossing into the Republic can be fined by the Guards from tomorrow.

How is this going to be enforced?

How can they make an NI resident pay up?

So far they seem to be turning them back rather than issuing fines. Two turned back on our road this morning.

It'll be fines and court summons if unpaid and full follow through, as usually applied to NI residents, according to the Garda on the checkpoint here.

NIMAN

Hmob wrote: »

Seize their car/van

Release it when fine is paid

Harsh but they do it for motor tax

Seize it on the spot?
So does that mean these fines are going to be on the spot too? Not issued and you pay later?

The one thing this will do is catch a lot of VRT dodgers. We have a large number of these up here, people who are resident here but keep an NI reg car via an address in the north.

Now they can hardly say to the Guards "oh I live down here, just coming home from work". As The guards will be able to say they are breaking the law by not driving a ROI reg car.

Strumms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You were indeed.

I don’t see normality returning for the remainder of the lives of certain citizens.

I know of a married couple in their late 60’s, no underlying conditions, both were regularly active and capable folk. They won’t leave their home since Christmas, even to go for exercise outside because they are petrified of catching the disease. A daughter leaves shopping at their doorstep.

I can’t see them ever being capable of normal socialising again, vaccinated or not. I wonder will those over 65 ever have confidence to socialise in groups again?

They need a psychologist so...they are their own problem, not restrictions, if they are going too far the other way, they need a bit of help getting back and living a life proportionate to the health reality around them, one that is careful, responsible, safe but healthy... not wanting to leave their house ? nothing prevents people from leaving their house and exercising, it’s encouraged in fact. Need to listen to expert voices and reasoning not the voices in their heads.

seamus

NIMAN wrote: »

Seize it on the spot?
So does that mean these fines are going to be on the spot too? Not issued and you pay later?

On-the-spot fines always mean issued on the spot, never that they have to be paid on the spot.

The one thing this will do is catch a lot of VRT dodgers. We have a large number of these up here, people who are resident here but keep an NI reg car via an address in the north.

Now they can hardly say to the Guards "oh I live down here, just coming home from work". As The guards will be able to say they are breaking the law by not driving a ROI reg car.

There'll be a lot of this crowd complaining alright, disguised as "I have the right to be crossing the border" whinging.