Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Renault 5

I’m surprised there are so many healthcare workers in Ireland

ShadowTech

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Unfortunately its going to be very difficult to provide that until the vulnerable (and then some) are vaccinated. We just know, given what happened at Christmas, that everyone will go nuts and we'll end up with another hospital-risking surge and massive numbers again.

I'd say they are thinking about it in the background, but I guess it'll be slow and very much step-by-step.

I've seen this a lot and I really don't get this narrative that everyone will go nuts. The decisions of the government leading up to Christmas made no sense and encouraged numbers to skyrocket. They closed every social aspect of society for 6 weeks then reopened almost everything at the most social period of the year. All activities that were delayed as a result of the lockdown (haircuts, clothes shopping, etc.) were happening at the same time as Christmas shopping and family visits for the holidays. On top of that it was already well known that the government was planning to lock us all down again after the holidays which meant that everyone was incentivised to fit in all of the socialising, traveling, and dinners out in a really short period of time. It's like the people making the decisions don't understand the first thing about human nature.

Now the poor decisions on their part are used to justify keeping everything shut with the argument that the alternative is everyone going nuts. Reopening doesn't have to go at a snail's pace, it just needs to be done somewhat intelligently. If they reopen barber shops and some non-essential retail and give a bit of confidence that those things will still be open in a month's time there won't be mayhem. A piece by piece reopening makes sense, but purposefully going as slowly as possible and getting people to blame each other is just crappy governance, IMO.

Jim_Hodge

niallo27 wrote: »

I wouldn't say so, Tony is running the show now so no reopening until May probably at earliest. Only hope is if the money runs out.

You'd be better off hoping the money doesn't run out, or we're in deep sh#$.

NIMAN

niallo27 wrote: »

I wouldn't say so, Tony is running the show now so no reopening until May probably at earliest. Only hope is if the money runs out.

And don't forget he already cancelled our summer holidays this year.

Happydays2020

niallo27 wrote: »

I wouldn't say so, Tony is running the show now so no reopening until May probably at earliest. Only hope is if the money runs out.

The gradual reopening will start in early March.

Purple Mountain

NIMAN wrote: »

And don't forget he already cancelled our summer holidays this year.

Booooo

Happydays2020

ShadowTech wrote: »

I've seen this a lot and I really don't get this narrative that everyone will go nuts. The decisions of the government leading up to Christmas made no sense and encouraged numbers to skyrocket. They closed every social aspect of society for 6 weeks then reopened almost everything at the most social period of the year. All activities that were delayed as a result of the lockdown (haircuts, clothes shopping, etc.) were happening at the same time as Christmas shopping and family visits for the holidays. On top of that it was already well known that the government was planning to lock us all down again after the holidays which meant that everyone was incentivised to fit in all of the socialising, traveling, and dinners out in a really short period of time. It's like the people making the decisions don't understand the first thing about human nature.

Now the poor decisions on their part are used to justify keeping everything shut with the argument that the alternative is everyone going nuts. Reopening doesn't have to go at a snail's pace, it just needs to be done somewhat intelligently. If they reopen barber shops and some non-essential retail and give a bit of confidence that those things will still be open in a month's time there won't be mayhem. A piece by piece reopening makes sense, but purposefully going as slowly as possible and getting people to blame each other is just crappy governance, IMO.

Very well said. What is bothering me is that they are not aware of the lack of hope they are giving people with this approach.

podgeandrodge

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Very well said. What is bothering me is that they are not aware of the lack of hope they are giving people with this approach.

Couldn't be more different than last year when they gave us the 6 opening stages, which, although they didn't exactly work out, at least gave people an idea of what they HOPED!

iamwhoiam

If we get snow does anyone here know how many snowmen you can have in the garden during current restrictions please

Azatadine

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1358861818903621635?s=09

Stheno

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If we get snow does anyone here know how many snowmen you can have in the garden during current restrictions please

As many as you want as long as the snow used to make them is from your own garden

None with snow from other gardens

iamwhoiam

Stheno wrote: »

As many as you want as long as the snow used to make them is from your own garden

None with snow from other gardens

And we don’t share the carrot I presume ?

Cluedo Monopoly

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If we get snow does anyone here know how many snowmen you can have in the garden during current restrictions please

Haven't you heard about the new snowman variant?

Here is some footage...

Happydays2020

It seems people will make up their own minds.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195869-mcdonalds-to-resume-walk-in-takeaway-services/

I don’t see restaurants opening indoors until the summer. Hopefully there will be outdoor dining in the spring.

lawrencesummers

Azatadine wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1358861818903621635?s=09

Something like


Bla Bla Bla, thanks to our great hosts, Bla Bla investigations ongoing blah blah blah following some good leads blah blah blah thanks to our Chinese escorts blah blah blah

Happydays2020

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Something like


Bla Bla Bla, thanks to our great hosts, Bla Bla investigations ongoing blah blah blah following some good leads blah blah blah thanks to our Chinese escorts blah blah blah

The Chinese will also up their contributions to WHO.

bucketybuck

Szero wrote: »

Any plans for a new roadmap to reopen society?

What would be the point, who would be stupid enough to believe a word it says?

aziz

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The Chinese will also up their contributions to WHO.

Being at that already

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-who-multimillion-dollar-contribution-political-power-move-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

MerlinSouthDub

Today's hospital report is out

1100 in hospital (down from 1212 yesterday), and down from 1396 1 week ago (21.2% fall)

173 in ICU (down from 177 but sadly 4 deaths)

Some of the data is missing in the report (admissions data), but hopefully the totals are accurate.

Happydays2020

We are not the best, but not the worst either. Based on ECDC case data from 4 Feb.

UK is 1679 per m population

KrustyUCC

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Today's hospital report is out

1100 in hospital (down from 1212 yesterday), and down from 1396 1 week ago (21.2% fall)

173 in ICU (down from 177 but sadly 4 deaths)

Some of the data is missing in the report (admissions data), but hopefully the totals are accurate.

That's a great fall in those in hospital

batman_oh

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It seems people will make up their own minds.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195869-mcdonalds-to-resume-walk-in-takeaway-services/

I don’t see restaurants opening indoors until the summer. Hopefully there will be outdoor dining in the spring.

How many places in the middle of Dublin City centre are gonna bother opening for outdoor dining really. They aren't set up for it and you just get hassled by junkies if you manage to find a non rubbish day

Bit cynical

Happydays2020 wrote: »

We are not the best, but not the worst either.

Happydays2020

batman_oh wrote: »

How many places in the middle of Dublin City centre are gonna bother opening for outdoor dining really. They aren't set up for it and you just get hassled by junkies if you manage to find a non rubbish day

They can decide to open or not. Many did when it was outdoor dining only.

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1358913937937465344


:rolleyes:

Seriously WTF?

The_Brood

Azatadine wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1358861818903621635?s=09

what....do they mean "and their Chinese colleagues" ?

is this a joke?

If the virus originated as believed in a Chinese wildlife market, an illegal one which the Chinese for years had been called to shut down but refused - China has to be made to pay for the entire global pandemic. For every last dime. I sincerely don't believe that the "Chinese colleagues" would allow for that.

So what are we gonna hear? "It's all too complex to explain, no one is to blame, move along, and wash your hands!"

Icantthinkof1

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1358913937937465344


:rolleyes:

Seriously WTF?

Jesus that’s awful!

Hmob

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Jesus that’s awful!

How is that possible after 230,000 vaccinations

Hmob

The_Brood wrote: »

what....do they mean "and their Chinese colleagues" ?

is this a joke?

If the virus originated as believed in a Chinese wildlife market, an illegal one which the Chinese for years had been called to shut down but refused - China has to be made to pay for the entire global pandemic. For every last dime. I sincerely don't believe that the "Chinese colleagues" would allow for that.

So what are we gonna hear? "It's all too complex to explain, no one is to blame, move along, and wash your hands!"

Chinese WHO members I assume

The_Brood

The_Brood wrote: »

what....do they mean "and their Chinese colleagues" ?

is this a joke?

If the virus originated as believed in a Chinese wildlife market, an illegal one which the Chinese for years had been called to shut down but refused - China has to be made to pay for the entire global pandemic. For every last dime. I sincerely don't believe that the "Chinese colleagues" would allow for that.

So what are we gonna hear? "It's all too complex to explain, no one is to blame, move along, and wash your hands!"

It could have started anywhere. Would you say China needs to pay if it a farmer got infected on their land, delivered stuff to the market, and then infected people?