Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

RugbyLad11

It looks like Germany is getting close to making a side deal for the Russian vaccine

https://m.dw.com/en/idt-biologika-moves-into-spotlight-as-germany-eyes-sputnik-v-vaccine/a-56464708

Meanwhile the Irish GOV say they have no interests in doing any deals outside the EU allocated vaccines. Why do most people accept this? It seems in Ireland most people just buy the GOV excuse that this is out of their hands.

There is murder in Germany over the slow rollout. Countries like Austria and Hungry are also doing side deals with vaccine manufacturers.

is_that_so

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It looks like Germany is getting close to making a side deal for the Russian vaccine

https://m.dw.com/en/idt-biologika-moves-into-spotlight-as-germany-eyes-sputnik-v-vaccine/a-56464708

Meanwhile the Irish GOV say they have no interests in doing any deals outside the EU allocated vaccines. Why do most people accept this? It seems in Ireland most people just buy the GOV excuse that this is out of their hands.

There is murder in Germany over the slow rollout. Countries like Austria and Hungry are also doing side deals with vaccine manufacturers.

There is always murder in Germany over this. It's the price they pay for having regional and national governments. A lot of it is over the frustration of normal life being so far away. Even if we did opt for Sputnik V ahead of time it wouldn't shorten the whole process by an awful lot. In the meantime we have the tools to deal with the level of cases.

Golfman64

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve been beating this drum for months.

Most of the economy is closed so to determine where the cases are transmitted is likely easier than it will ever be.

NPHET said previously tracking where transmission would be only academic as per Philip Nolan’s tweet last September.

Most likely poor practices in hospitals, nursing homes and other care and healthcare settings. However, NPHET and the government have done an excellent job at diverting any attention away from this by focusing on the likes of International travel.

OwenM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It looks like Germany is getting close to making a side deal for the Russian vaccine

https://m.dw.com/en/idt-biologika-moves-into-spotlight-as-germany-eyes-sputnik-v-vaccine/a-56464708

Meanwhile the Irish GOV say they have no interests in doing any deals outside the EU allocated vaccines. Why do most people accept this? It seems in Ireland most people just buy the GOV excuse that this is out of their hands.

There is murder in Germany over the slow rollout. Countries like Austria and Hungry are also doing side deals with vaccine manufacturers.

We don't need to order more vaccines, we need what is already ordered now. The logistics of approval, manufacture, supply and delivery into arms for another vaccine where all the legwork has to be done by the HSE/DOH would mean if we went solo on the Sputnik vaccine it might get delivered by 2022 and by that stage I'd guess there will be vending machines on every corner that you can stick your arm into for a jab.

Sweet.Science

Hospitalisations are dropping rapidly. I think by March 5th there will be even less than 800. There will be pressure to ease restrictions

Also what did Glynn mean by saying we are over the worst of the virus?

Seems like a huge statement to make. And outrageously incompetent if not true

Eod100

Woman twice broke visitor ban at Cork Covid ward and took selfies with infectious patient

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40222808.html

NIMAN

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Hospitalisations are dropping rapidly. I think by March 5th there will be even less than 800. There will be pressure to ease restrictions

I hope you are right, and I really hope we can get the schools opened again around that time.

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Hospitalisations are dropping rapidly. I think by March 5th there will be even less than 800. There will be pressure to ease restrictions

There is an intention, according to Leo anyway, to go down to a form of Level 4 then.

BTownB

is_that_so wrote: »

There is always murder in Germany over this. It's the price they pay for having regional and national governments. A lot of it is over the frustration of normal life being so far away. Even if we did opt for Sputnik V ahead of time it wouldn't shorten the whole process by an awful lot. In the meantime we have the tools to deal with the level of cases.

We are dealing with them. They are coming down steadily.

oceanman

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It looks like Germany is getting close to making a side deal for the Russian vaccine

https://m.dw.com/en/idt-biologika-moves-into-spotlight-as-germany-eyes-sputnik-v-vaccine/a-56464708

Meanwhile the Irish GOV say they have no interests in doing any deals outside the EU allocated vaccines. Why do most people accept this? It seems in Ireland most people just buy the GOV excuse that this is out of their hands.

There is murder in Germany over the slow rollout. Countries like Austria and Hungry are also doing side deals with vaccine manufacturers.

because we like to be seen as the top boy in the class, do what we are told and dont upset of EU overlords..

Sweet.Science

is_that_so wrote: »

There is an intention, according to Leo anyway, to go down to a form of Level 4 then.

Lets not forget before the madness of xmas cases still come down when at level 3. I think level 4 is just going to be lazy. Construction and hopefully schools.

hynesie08

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It looks like Germany is getting close to making a side deal for the Russian vaccine

https://m.dw.com/en/idt-biologika-moves-into-spotlight-as-germany-eyes-sputnik-v-vaccine/a-56464708

Meanwhile the Irish GOV say they have no interests in doing any deals outside the EU allocated vaccines. Why do most people accept this? It seems in Ireland most people just buy the GOV excuse that this is out of their hands.

There is murder in Germany over the slow rollout. Countries like Austria and Hungry are also doing side deals with vaccine manufacturers.

There is literally nothing in that article about a side deal.

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Lets not forget before the madness of xmas cases still come down when at level 3. I think level 4 is just going to be lazy. Construction and hopefully schools.

Those two are a given IMO. Level 4 is just being very cautious. Who knows what things will look like in 5-6 weeks?

seamusk84

is_that_so wrote: »

Those two are a given IMO. Level 4 is just being very cautious. Who knows what things will look like in 5-6 weeks?

Level 4 means nothing. Schools and construction basically.

Non-Essential retail and at the very least outdoor dining should be allowed on March 5th if we continue on this trajectory.

Also level 4 still prohibits meeting anyone. One household should be allowed visit one other so we can visit our parents and children's homes from March 5th.
This country needs just that much at the very least. It's been a dire few months and the mental health of the nation is completely shot.

We stuck hard to the restrictions all the dark months of 2021 to get cases down and need some relief.

PmMeUrDogs

seamusk84 wrote: »

Also level 4 still prohibits meeting anyone. One household should be allowed visit one other so we can visit our parents and children's homes from March 5th.
This country needs just that much at the very least. It's been a dire few months and the mental health of the nation is completely shot.

That's the bit that's absolutely killing me, and when chatting to family, friends or whoever, they all say the same, just being able to meet with ONE friend or family member would be an enormous boost.

Loneliness and isolation is crippling. I'm struggling enormously even though I go into work each day, so I can't imagine how much people WFH or out of work are managing. The person I want to see the most is absolutely cracking up because they're stuck at home seeing nobody all day every day.

is_that_so

seamusk84 wrote: »

Level 4 means nothing. Schools and construction basically.

Non-Essential retail and at the very least outdoor dining should be allowed on March 5th if we continue on this trajectory.

Also level 4 still prohibits meeting anyone. One household should be allowed visit one other so we can visit our parents and children's homes from March 5th.
This country needs just that much at the very least. It's been a dire few months and the mental health of the nation is completely shot.

We stuck hard to the restrictions all the dark months of 2021 to get cases down and need some relief.

It would be nice to see more but extreme caution is the wisest approach for now. I think we may have to forego the meeting for a little longer. All eyes will be on the numbers at the end of the month. If we are at the bottom end of Nolan's predictions at 200 or so AND hospitalisations are way lower there may be more scope. I'm thinking/hoping Level 3 by April.

darem93

Yeah I think this lockdown has hit everyone the hardest out of any of them. I'm starting to worry a little bit about my sister and some of my friends, I've genuinely never seen them this low.

A lot of people I know are very depressed seeing Snapchats of friends in Australia partying and having the time of their lives, while literally everyone over here is stuck inside and able to see no one.

I really hope perhaps from next month that things start looking up and we can put behind us what have been some of the darkest months for many people in this country.

is_that_so

From WHO briefing in Wuhan.

- Lab leak hypothesis 'extremely unlikely', WHO official says and will not require further study as part of their work in studying the origins of the virus.

- Sampling of bat caves in Wuhan and of other animal sites has so far failed to identify the presence of the virus.

- Further research is needed to determine the role played by cold chain products in Covid transmission.

- The virus that causes Covid-19 could have been circulating in other regions before it was identified in the central Chinese city of Wuhan

MerlinSouthDub

46% of deaths in England and Wales linked to Covid 19 (based on one week in January).

A pretty extraordinary stat.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-09/covid-accounts-for-record-46-of-deaths-in-england-and-wales?srnd=premium-europe

marno21

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Hospitalisations are dropping rapidly. I think by March 5th there will be even less than 800. There will be pressure to ease restrictions

Also what did Glynn mean by saying we are over the worst of the virus?

Seems like a huge statement to make. And outrageously incompetent if not true

Opening pubs for 3 weeks with cases averaging 200/300 per day in the middle of winter just the entire country congregates with their families indoors for dinner coupled with a large influx of people from abroad many of whom are coming from areas with large Covid outbreaks.

That won’t be let happen again. That’s why he made that statement.

There’s a very good chance hospitalisation will be below 800 by next Friday. Let alone March 5th.

seamus

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Hospitalisations are dropping rapidly. I think by March 5th there will be even less than 800. There will be pressure to ease restrictions

Also what did Glynn mean by saying we are over the worst of the virus?

Seems like a huge statement to make. And outrageously incompetent if not true

Hospital numbers will be more like 500 on 5th March.

ICU numbers harder to call, but they *should* be under 100 at that stage.

Schools will have to open, but they'll probably have to go with click-and-collect retail, and meeting up outdoors too.

Lemonzero

Why is the Astroveneca vaccine being given to so many people when there is a concern it will not be effective over the south african strain which surely will start being prevalent at some stage even if it is later in year?

KrustyUCC

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

That's the bit that's absolutely killing me, and when chatting to family, friends or whoever, they all say the same, just being able to meet with ONE friend or family member would be an enormous boost.

Loneliness and isolation is crippling. I'm struggling enormously even though I go into work each day, so I can't imagine how much people WFH or out of work are managing. The person I want to see the most is absolutely cracking up because they're stuck at home seeing nobody all day every day.

Leo has heavily hinted about being able to meet up with one other person outdoor in March

If a person is living alone you're allowed to visit them

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/

seamusk84

marno21 wrote: »

Opening pubs for 3 weeks with cases averaging 200/300 per day in the middle of winter just the entire country congregates with their families indoors for dinner coupled with a large influx of people from abroad many of whom are coming from areas with large Covid outbreaks.

That won’t be let happen again. That’s why he made that statement.

There’s a very good chance hospitalisation will be below 800 by next Friday. Let alone March 5th.

Curious what your prediction for 5th March will be Marno? Just schools and construction?

is_that_so

Lemonzero wrote: »

Why is the AstraZeneca vaccine being given to so many people when there is a concern it will not be effective over the south african strain which surely will start being prevalent at some stage even if it is later in year?

It's a very small study and the suggestion is that it still may protect against serious infection. AstraZeneca and other vaccine makers are currently looking at boosters.

KrustyUCC

seamusk84 wrote: »

Curious what your prediction for 5th March will be Marno? Just schools and construction?

That's all that'd being hinted at alright

Bet they'll wait a month until after Easter then open retail and hairdressers

Elessar

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's all that'd being hinted at alright

Bet they'll wait a month until after Easter then open retail and hairdressers

Yes this is the most likely scenario IMO.

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

marno21

seamusk84 wrote: »

Curious what your prediction for 5th March will be Marno? Just schools and construction?

I agree - schools and construction. I thought they’d open those 2 earlier than March 5th so this shows how cautious they are being. Schools and construction remained open in October/November when we had the figures we have at the minute (hospital figures aside). Possibly an increase on the 5km rule which is rather claustrophobic.

It seems there is a concerted effort now to get the numbers down as low as possible and keep them low. Returning to Level 2 drives the R0 above 1 again so they want them down as low as possible like last summer.

The key here is that there is a decision for summer 2021. Either a reopening in Ireland with very strict border controls or case growth again. Many cases in summer 2020 were driven by international travel. We may get away with a summer 2020 style reopening and keep cases low as long as travel is controlled. Then we can reassess as the vaccine programme is rolled out. We’ll have supporting data from Israel and the UK as to how that goes.

KrustyUCC

Elessar wrote: »

Yes this is the most likely scenario IMO.

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

Funny thing is they may as well keep calling it level 5 as schools and construction were open in the level 5 in October

They'll call it 4 with additional restrictions just be seen to be changing things

Kinda like last year when they got 2 extra weeks out of moving from 2k to 5km and telling over 70s they could go outdoor to exercise even when they could all along

donfers

These well-respected folks say "Most probably a Chinese lab"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c

However these official folks say "It's bats you fool"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1195977-coronavirus-who-china/

Not overly impressed by how WHO conducted themselves but not sure who to believe at this point.