Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

marno21

seamusk84 wrote: »

Curious what your prediction for 5th March will be Marno? Just schools and construction?

I agree - schools and construction. I thought they’d open those 2 earlier than March 5th so this shows how cautious they are being. Schools and construction remained open in October/November when we had the figures we have at the minute (hospital figures aside). Possibly an increase on the 5km rule which is rather claustrophobic.

It seems there is a concerted effort now to get the numbers down as low as possible and keep them low. Returning to Level 2 drives the R0 above 1 again so they want them down as low as possible like last summer.

The key here is that there is a decision for summer 2021. Either a reopening in Ireland with very strict border controls or case growth again. Many cases in summer 2020 were driven by international travel. We may get away with a summer 2020 style reopening and keep cases low as long as travel is controlled. Then we can reassess as the vaccine programme is rolled out. We’ll have supporting data from Israel and the UK as to how that goes.

KrustyUCC

Elessar wrote: »

Yes this is the most likely scenario IMO.

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

Funny thing is they may as well keep calling it level 5 as schools and construction were open in the level 5 in October

They'll call it 4 with additional restrictions just be seen to be changing things

Kinda like last year when they got 2 extra weeks out of moving from 2k to 5km and telling over 70s they could go outdoor to exercise even when they could all along

donfers

These well-respected folks say "Most probably a Chinese lab"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c

However these official folks say "It's bats you fool"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1195977-coronavirus-who-china/

Not overly impressed by how WHO conducted themselves but not sure who to believe at this point.

BTownB

Elessar wrote: »

Yes this is the most likely scenario IMO.

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

Praying they get rid of 5km rule. People need some respite.

Beasty

Threads merged

WrenBoy

donfers wrote: »

Not overly impressed by how WHO conducted themselves but not sure who to believe at this point.

Nor I, I don't like they're playing politics but they're the best we've got at the minute.

Klonker

I think the level of lifting restrictions will depend on what the rest of Europe are doing. Ireland are not going to open up before most of Europe even if our numbers are better, not after what happened at Christmas anyway. If the rest of Europe are lifting restrictions with similar numbers to Ireland, then I think the government will follow suit, though with slightly harsher restrictions as that's the Irish way!

I don't think the public will put up with us under harsh restrictions while the rest of Europe opens up. Most of the people shouting for zero covid know what they're asking for. It would mean harsher restrictions than what we have now until probably July to get it down near zero. And then locking down again anytime again a few cases show up which will happen with Northern Ireland and lax travel restrictions.

is_that_so

donfers wrote: »

These well-respected folks say "Most probably a Chinese lab"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c

However these official folks say "It's bats you fool"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1195977-coronavirus-who-china/

Not overly impressed by how WHO conducted themselves but not sure who to believe at this point.

Ah, that's the QAnon "prophet" who claimed the prominence of the Tampa Bay number 45 in the Superbowl is a portent that Trump will return! Kerrazy!

polesheep

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Leo has heavily hinted about being able to meet up with one other person outdoor in March

If a person is living alone you're allowed to visit them

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/

I find this bizarre. Everywhere I look I see people meeting up outside to walk together (me included). At no time have I seen or heard of anyone who isn't doing this. Surely at this stage there can be very few people who don't feel safe in the outdoors.

PatrickSmithUS

Widdensushi wrote: »

Probably appealed to Europe and turned over.

That would be a bold move seeing as there have been similar rulings like this made against AXA in France.

iamwhoiam

polesheep wrote: »

I find this bizarre. Everywhere I look I see people meeting up outside to walk together (me included). At no time have I seen or heard of anyone who isn't doing this. Surely at this stage there can be very few people who don't feel safe in the outdoors.

Its already allowed ? What is he on about ?


no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)
no social/family gatherings should take place in other settings
people may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

eagle eye

is_that_so wrote: »

There is an intention, according to Leo anyway, to go down to a form of Level 4 then.

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

polesheep

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its already allowed ? What is he on about ?


no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)
no social/family gatherings should take place in other settings
people may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

No wonder I found it bizarre.:D

Keyzer

So Stephen Donnelly is on Twitter last night giving himself a pat on the back:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358840276392030210?s=20

We're in week 6 of the COVID vaccination programme:

230,766 doses / 42 days = 5494 doses per day Population of Ireland = 4.9M Number of required doses = 9.8M (2 doses per person)

Based on the current rate, it will take 4.8 years to vaccinate the entire country.

The UK vaccinated over half a million people on Saturday (6 Feb). That's more in one day than we have achieved in 6 weeks.

Utterly pathetic....

Sweet.Science

eagle eye wrote: »

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

you still working ?

D.Q

Keyzer wrote: »

So Stephen Donnelly is on Twitter last night giving himself a pat on the back:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358840276392030210?s=20

We're in week 6 of the COVID vaccination programme:

230,766 doses / 42 days = 5494 doses per day Population of Ireland = 4.9M Number of required doses = 9.8M (2 doses per person)

Based on the current rate, it will take 4.8 years to vaccinate the entire country.

The UK vaccinated over half a million people on Saturday (6 Feb). That's more in one day than we have achieved in 6 weeks.

Utterly pathetic....

You're aware there's a ramp up to this? As in the current rate is going to continue to rise. Moronic calculations.

minitrue

Dropping the exercise restriction to it would make a profound difference to some elderly relatives of mine.

Sconsey

Keyzer wrote: »

So Stephen Donnelly is on Twitter last night giving himself a pat on the back:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358840276392030210?s=20

We're in week 6 of the COVID vaccination programme:

230,766 doses / 42 days = 5494 doses per day Population of Ireland = 4.9M Number of required doses = 9.8M (2 doses per person)

Based on the current rate, it will take 4.8 years to vaccinate the entire country.

The UK vaccinated over half a million people on Saturday (6 Feb). That's more in one day than we have achieved in 6 weeks.

Utterly pathetic....

So he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Last week the bitching was that the government was not sharing enough information, this week the bitching is that they are patting themselves on the back when they do share up-to-date information..
I find your attitude utterly pathetic.

Plumbthedepths

eagle eye wrote: »

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

I remember your suggestion was to open up closer to Christmas , you think that would have been better?

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its already allowed ? What is he on about ?


no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)
no social/family gatherings should take place in other settings
people may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

Yeah it's strange

The Tánaiste said however that allowing people to meet outdoors “is something I really want to be possible in March”.

“So when we reopened after the first wave, one of the first things we did was allow people to meet up with another house outdoors, not indoors initially, but outdoors. And I think maybe in March, that’d be something that I think it’d be nice to be able to do.”

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-interview-staycations-5344381-Feb2021/

Keyzer

D.Q wrote: »

You're aware there's a ramp up to this? As in the current rate is going to continue to rise. Moronic calculations.

No, I'm not aware because there is no information available on the HSE website providing details on the ramp up plan...

Sanjuro

donfers wrote: »

These well-respected folks say "Most probably a Chinese lab"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMGWLLDSA3c

However these official folks say "It's bats you fool"

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1195977-coronavirus-who-china/

Not overly impressed by how WHO conducted themselves but not sure who to believe at this point.

Bret Weinstein? Well respected?! Come on. This is supposed to be a serious thread.

KrustyUCC

eagle eye wrote: »

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

Construction and schools after 3 months of level 5 is hardly reopening too early

polesheep

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Construction and schools after 3 months of level 5 is hardly reopening too early

Some people don't seem to want the schools to re-open until their children are in their twenties and left home.

is_that_so

eagle eye wrote: »

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

Judging by this, intelligence means staying locked up till June. It will not be the way of things. There's a lot more to the management of this than just the virus.

Widescreen

Will it not be based on deaths and cases and hospital situation.

I assume you can't just open up based on the fact that everyone has had enough of the lock down?

Wombatman

Elessar wrote: »

Yes this is the most likely scenario IMO.

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

Cheltenham 2021.......................

Ha Long Bay

Keyzer wrote: »

No, I'm not aware because there is no information available on the HSE website providing details on the ramp up plan...

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bf337-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-and-implementation-plan/

hynesie08

Keyzer wrote: »

So Stephen Donnelly is on Twitter last night giving himself a pat on the back:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358840276392030210?s=20

We're in week 6 of the COVID vaccination programme:

230,766 doses / 42 days = 5494 doses per day Population of Ireland = 4.9M Number of required doses = 9.8M (2 doses per person)

Based on the current rate, it will take 4.8 years to vaccinate the entire country.

The UK vaccinated over half a million people on Saturday (6 Feb). That's more in one day than we have achieved in 6 weeks.

Utterly pathetic....

People still peddling this garbage, we've gotten 90% of vaccines are in arms and over 60% who've received first dose have received the second.

By using the sentence "based on the current rate" you know enough to know you're talking ****e.

KrustyUCC

Widescreen wrote: »

Will it not be based on deaths and cases and hospital situation.

I assume you can't just open up based on the fact that everyone has had enough of the lock down?

All should hopefully keep falling for the rest of the month

Martin is peddling the slow and cautious reopening line again today so all that's on the table will be construction and schools