Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Sconsey

Keyzer wrote: »

No, I'm not aware because there is no information available on the HSE website providing details on the ramp up plan...

Putting your text in bold does not mean it's right....

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout-covid-19-vaccines-ireland.html
links to this
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bf337-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-and-implementation-plan/

Now do your self a favour and try to get better informed before giving out to people.

Ficheall

D.Q wrote: »

You're aware there's a ramp up to this? As in the current rate is going to continue to rise.

That will be nice to see. It's been pretty flat so far, with the exception of a big drop this week. Left to right, Jan to now, thousands of vaccines:
35, 48, 47, 51, 46, 29.

hynesie08

Ficheall wrote: »

That will be nice to see. It's been pretty flat so far, with the exception of a big drop this week. Left to right, Jan to now, thousands of vaccines:
35, 48, 47, 51, 46, 29.

That data was up to midnight Thursday, so you can tack on another 12-14k

mloc123

Ficheall wrote: »

That will be nice to see. It's been pretty flat so far, with the exception of a big drop this week. Left to right, Jan to now, thousands of vaccines:
35, 48, 47, 51, 46, 29.

Supply has been flat until now... It will ramp up towards end of q1 and more so in q2

Whiplash85

eagle eye wrote: »

So they haven't learned anything from opening up too early before Christmas. The lack of intelligence is startling.

Irony alert.

Ficheall

hynesie08 wrote: »

That data was up to midnight Thursday, so you can tack on another 12-14k

Have you a link to the more accurate/up-to-date numbers? I was only going off the HSE website, which has "we plan to distribute.." as opposed to the numbers actually distributed. TIA.

marno21

Keyzer wrote: »

So Stephen Donnelly is on Twitter last night giving himself a pat on the back:

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1358840276392030210?s=20

We're in week 6 of the COVID vaccination programme:

230,766 doses / 42 days = 5494 doses per day Population of Ireland = 4.9M Number of required doses = 9.8M (2 doses per person)

Based on the current rate, it will take 4.8 years to vaccinate the entire country.

The UK vaccinated over half a million people on Saturday (6 Feb). That's more in one day than we have achieved in 6 weeks.

Utterly pathetic....

It is 270km from my front door to Dublin Airport. It takes me 2.5 hours or so to complete that journey. At the beginning of my journey, I am driving through my estate at 25km/h. You don't see me giving out that it'll take me almost 11 hours to complete the journey do you?

Keyzer

Sconsey wrote: »

Putting your text in bold does not mean it's right....

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout-covid-19-vaccines-ireland.html
links to this
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bf337-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-and-implementation-plan/

Now do your self a favour and try to get better informed before giving out to people.

I've read all that material and, as previously posted, the closest thing to a "plan" is the nondescript graph below. No specific dates included, no details on numbers vaccinated.



Perhaps my expectations are higher than others - I'd have expected the government to be way ahead of the curve on vaccination program given its the only clear route on getting us out of this mess. And, most importantly, saving lives...

230K doses administered and only 80K people fully vaccinated in 6 weeks is nothing to be proud of.

Anyroads, given my original post went down like a wet fart so I'll get my coat...

tiger_cub

Eod100 wrote: »

Woman twice broke visitor ban at Cork Covid ward and took selfies with infectious patient

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40222808.html

Stop the lights! No hope for humanity really is there :eek:

mloc123

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Construction and schools after 3 months of level 5 is hardly reopening too early

Considering both remained open during the Oct/Nov lockdown and cases still dropped..

Keyzer

marno21 wrote: »

It is 270km from my front door to Dublin Airport. It takes me 2.5 hours or so to complete that journey. At the beginning of my journey, I am driving through my estate at 25km/h. You don't see me giving out that it'll take me almost 11 hours to complete the journey do you?

Exactly, because you have a trajectory in terms of your increase of speed vs distance remaining. You can then estimate how long the entire journey will take with a certain level of accuracy.

BTW, I wouldn't advise going to the airport, you need to stay within your 5KM radius.

caveat emptor

Keyzer wrote: »

I've read all that material and, as previously posted, the closest thing to a "plan" is the nondescript graph below. No specific dates included, no details on numbers vaccinated.

Yeah the chart looks like trump got his sharpie out again. Would be great to know when the sharp increase in vaccines being available will materialise.

To use the "going to the airport analogy". If the plan was a 2 and a half hour drive but it took 4 hours due to unforeseen delays then nobody is to blame.

KrustyUCC

mloc123 wrote: »

Considering both remained open during the Oct/Nov lockdown and cases still dropped..

100%

They're acting like this easing of restrictions is a hard thing for the government to give away in March

It's not

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its already allowed ? What is he on about ?


no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)
no social/family gatherings should take place in other settings
people may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/

Seems the updated version has

Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

Other settings outside your home or garden

No social or family gatherings should take place in other settings.

Last updated on 3 February 2021

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/

I still think allowing to meet up outdoors isn't a real easing of restrictions from Leo and Co

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Seems the updated version has

Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

Other settings outside your home or garden

No social or family gatherings should take place in other settings.

Last updated on 3 February 2021

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/

I still think allowing to meet up outdoors isn't a real easing of restrictions from Leo and Co

Section 10 about exercise is where it says you can meet with another household

seamus

Keyzer wrote: »

230K doses administered and only 80K people fully vaccinated in 6 weeks is nothing to be proud of.

How many do you think it should be by now? And how do you propose it would be done?

Where would you get the extra doses from?

At the moment we're in the top ten globally for the number of people fully vaccinated and we're about 50% ahead of the EU average.

So what exactly is it that you propose should be done instead?

caveat emptor

Interesting article by RTE investigates. Hospitals and those working in them have faced an unprecedented crisis.

"I think, in many ways, hospitals have been overrun in recent weeks," Prof Ridgway, the lead clinical director of Tallaght University Hospital, told RTÉ Investigates.

https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1359112513334489091?s=20

KrustyUCC

Stheno wrote: »

Section 10 about exercise is where it says you can meet with another household

Ah ok

I presume Leo is on about families meeting up outdoors so?

Not in the context of exercise

iamwhoiam

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Seems the updated version has

Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

Other settings outside your home or garden

No social or family gatherings should take place in other settings.

Last updated on 3 February 2021

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/

I still think allowing to meet up outdoors isn't a real easing of restrictions from Leo and Co

Level 5
From Department of the Taoiseach

Published on 15 September 2020

Last updated on 3 February 2021




Training

People may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise.

No indoor or outdoor exercise group activities, including those involving children, should take place.

Outdoor golf and tennis are not permitted.

Individual training only. No exercise or dance classes. No indoor or outdoor gatherings involving “individual training” except for professional and elite sports.

KrustyUCC

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Level 5
From Department of the Taoiseach

Published on 15 September 2020

Last updated on 3 February 2021




Training

People may meet with people from one other household in outdoor settings when taking exercise.

No indoor or outdoor exercise group activities, including those involving children, should take place.

Outdoor golf and tennis are not permitted.

Individual training only. No exercise or dance classes. No indoor or outdoor gatherings involving “individual training” except for professional and elite sports.

Yeah Stheno just pointed that out I'm wrong

I presume Varadkar is on about families meeting up in Gardens not indoors or else he doesn't know himself about exercise rules

Dyr

Sanjuro wrote: »

Bret Weinstein? Well respected?! Come on. This is supposed to be a serious thread.

Weinstein has more credibility than China and the WHO, that said Doctor Robotnik has more credibility than them.

iamwhoiam

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah Stheno just pointed that out I'm wrong

I presume Varadkar is on about families meeting up in Gardens not indoors or else he doesn't know himself about exercise rules

Yeh he is either putting his foot in it again or he means in the garden
Lets hope we dont all freeze to death !!!

titan18

There's nothing stopping people meeting up outdoors atm. I see plenty doing it. Particularly if you're both within the 5k of each other.

Sanjuro

Bambi wrote: »

Weinstein has more credibility than China and the WHO, that said Doctor Robotnik has more credibility than them.

He really doesn't though. He's a right-wing dip**** who whinges about cancel culture and tried to get Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw to run as a unity ticket in the 2020 election. He's a moron. A well-read moron, but a moron none the less.

Widdensushi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yeh he is either putting his foot in it again or he means in the garden
Lets hope we dont all freeze to death !!!

Would that be a death caused by covid?

mloc123

Elessar wrote: »

I think March 5 will be level 4 with 'additional restrictions' i.e. 5KM travel limit will remain, only schools and construction will go back.

Remember when they announced the 5 level plan... and did't stick to it once since :pac:

Hmob

Klonker wrote: »

I think the level of lifting restrictions will depend on what the rest of Europe are doing. Ireland are not going to open up before most of Europe even if our numbers are better, not after what happened at Christmas anyway. If the rest of Europe are lifting restrictions with similar numbers to Ireland, then I think the government will follow suit, though with slightly harsher restrictions as that's the Irish way!

I don't think the public will put up with us under harsh restrictions while the rest of Europe opens up. Most of the people shouting for zero covid know what they're asking for. It would mean harsher restrictions than what we have now until probably July to get it down near zero. And then locking down again anytime again a few cases show up which will happen with Northern Ireland and lax travel restrictions.

Ya that's my thinking

Events in Europe will affect lifting of restrictions here

titan18

Hmob wrote: »

Ya that's my thinking

Events in Europe will affect lifting of restrictions here

A fair few countries have already starting to reduce restrictions.

Hmob

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah the chart looks like trump got his sharpie out again. Would be great to know when the sharp increase in vaccines being available will materialise.

To use the "going to the airport analogy". If the plan was a 2 and a half hour drive but it took 4 hours due to unforeseen delays then nobody is to blame.

I'll believe the ramp up in vaccinations when I see it

There was always going to be massive demand at the outset and vaccines seem to be diverted elsewhere whenever they are about to come onstream here

eagle eye

Plumbthedepths wrote:

I remember your suggestion was to open up closer to Christmas , you think that would have been better?

Yes.