Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

caveat emptor

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Is anyone thinking they’re putting the feelers out there about the over 70’s vaccinations not being completed until June as they might have to do a u-turn with the AZ vaccines?

I don't know. WHO coming out and saying it's ok for over 65s isn't a big surprise. There wasn't enough data to show it protected. Specifically not enough people in that cohort got the disease as they were likely cocooning etc. Unfortunately for trials to be successful / conclusive people must get sick. It's likely it does work for them.

However South Africa's decision to pause the rollout of that particular vaccine in light of data published recently is telling. 10% efficacy with the new variant is hardly worth the effort in rolling out. No data on severe disease but it probably helps.

As someone said any vaccine is better than no vaccine. S.A variant now in Austria and similar variants emerging in UK so it'll likely be a problem here soon if drastic measures not implemented to curb it's arrival.

Purple Mountain

pawdee wrote: »

"Some even doing nails through a letter box."

Well glory be.....

How does she manage a brazilian?

hawkwing

Purple Mountain wrote: »

How does she manage a brazilian?

Through the cat flap

Loafing Oaf

Purple Mountain wrote: »

How does she manage a brazilian?

Doesn't deal with that nationality because of the variant

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

Like even Germany who are coming across as very cautious when extending their lockdown said some things can reopen 1st March like hairdressers. Our government are just cowards in comparison. We'll be the slowest again to reopen most likely.

It's worth noting that most Mediterranean countries have already re-opened to some extent.

In fact, some countries never had to close at all to any significant degree. Apart from limited public groups, wearing masks, and bars closed - that's it. Life remains the same. People can still go to restaurants that act as bars to some degree. Hairdressers never closed etc.

Imagine anything close to that in Ireland? Not a chance.

Not as long as Moany Hologram, Ronan Glum, and Professor Bore-an, are in charge.

titan18

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's worth noting that most Mediterranean countries have already re-opened to some extent.

In fact, some countries never had to close at all to any significant degree. Apart from limited public groups, wearing masks, and bars closed - that's it. Life remains the same. People can still go to restaurants that act as bars to some degree. Hairdressers never closed etc.

Imagine anything close to that in Ireland? Not a chance.

Not as long as Moany Hologram, Ronan Glum, and Professor Bore-an, are in charge.

Yup, I'm pretty ok with not reopening hospitality as a significant chunk of the population can't be trusted, but you can easily reopen hairdressers, gyms, non essential retail etc when we're under 4-500 cases and for things to not get out of control assuming masks/capacity restrictions are enforced. It'll get a lot of people back to work and make life more bearable for the rest of us at least.

Jim_Hodge

Deleted User wrote: »

It's worth noting that most Mediterranean countries have already re-opened to some extent.

In fact, some countries never had to close at all to any significant degree. Apart from limited public groups, wearing masks, and bars closed - that's it. Life remains the same. People can still go to restaurants that act as bars to some degree. Hairdressers never closed etc.

Imagine anything close to that in Ireland? Not a chance.

Not as long as Moany Hologram, Ronan Glum, and Professor Bore-an, are in charge.

Do me a favour? Put names to countries for each of those situations you just listed.
Never closing, restaurant bars, etc.

saabsaab

RTE are saying that over 50& of people coming into the country are returning holiday makers! Crazy, who would go abroad at this time. Will they quarantine now?

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Do me a favour? Put names to countries for each of those situations you just listed.
Never closing, restaurant bars, etc.

• Italy has already re-opened cafes, restaurants, and museums.
  
• Malta has cafes, restaurants, hairdressers, museums, non-essential retail already open.
  
• Cyprus plans to reopen travel to visitors from 1 March.

Whatever way you cut it, this is progress.

Compare this to Ireland, which will still be in Level 5 by May (they will call it Level 4, which is Level 5-light in reality).

Ficheall

New addition to Maslow's hierarchy of needs: Haircuts.

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

New addition to Maslow's hierarchy of needs: Haircuts.

To be introduced to the 2022 Junior Cert examinable syllabus.

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

• Italy has already re-opened cafes, restaurants, and museums.
  
• Malta has cafes, restaurants, hairdressers, museums, non-essential retail already open.
  
• Cyprus plans to reopen travel to visitors from 1 March.

Whatever way you cut it, this is progress.

Compare this to Ireland, which will still be in Level 5 by May (they will call it Level 4, which is Level 5-light in reality).

Okay but can you name some countries that never imposed any restrictions except

Deleted User wrote: »

Ilimited public groups, wearing masks, and bars closed

Ficheall

Deleted User wrote: »

• Cyprus plans to reopen travel to visitors from 1 March.

Compare this to Ireland, which will still be in Level 5 by May (they will call it Level 4, which is Level 5-light in reality).

Have we not had this throughout? How many people have we actually barred from entering the country?

alexonhisown

saabsaab wrote: »

RTE are saying that over 50& of people coming into the country are returning holiday makers! Crazy, who would go abroad at this time. Will they quarantine now?

That could be 50% of 2. Without figures percentages mean nothing tbh. Are quarantine hotels in operation here yet?

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

Have we not had this throughout? How many people have we actually barred from entering the country?

If Holohan has his way, nobody will enter the country until 2025.

Next, Holohan will be the architect of Level 6 and Level 7.

• Level 6: No movement outside your own home even to get the messages, unless you personally sign a photo of Tony Holohan with the quote, "Holohan is always right", plastered over his face.
  
• Level 7: End of freedom of movement of wildlife.

titan18

Ficheall wrote: »

New addition to Maslow's hierarchy of needs: Haircuts.

It's in there already in the esteem needs tbf.

Ficheall

Deleted User wrote: »

If Holohan has his way, nobody will enter the country until 2025.

The joking doesn't answer my question - how many people, if any, have we actually barred from entering the country?

Ficheall

titan18 wrote: »

It's in there already in the esteem needs tbf.

I don't think anyone who thinks their haircut is more important than trying to curb the spread of the virus is likely to have low self esteem..

NIMAN

Was just watching the latest figures on the 9 o'clock news, and see the positivity rate is just over 5%.
So for every 100 folk that feel bad, and their gp recommends they get tested, only 5 are positive.

So what is wrong with the other 95? Never seen this question asked anywhere on tv or radio debates.

Stheno

alexonhisown wrote: »

That could be 50% of 2. Without figures percentages mean nothing tbh. Are quarantine hotels in operation here yet?

5200 people between Jan 30 and Feb 5

No quarantine hotels yet

    

More than 5,200 Irish residents that arrived into Dublin Airport over the course of a week starting at the end of January said they had been on holidays despite the restrictions on non-essential international travel.

Senior Government official Liz Canavan said this represented two-thirds of the Irish people who returned to the country that week and described this as a “very concerning statistic”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-concern-as-5-200-irish-people-return-from-holidays-abroad-in-one-week-1.4481242?mode=amp

Loafing Oaf

NIMAN wrote: »

Was just watching the latest figures on the 9 o'clock news, and see the positivity rate is just over 5%.
So for every 100 folk that feel bad, and their gp recommends they get tested, only 5 are positive.

So what is wrong with the other 95? Never seen this question asked anywhere on tv or radio debates.

I'm assuming many of them are now close contacts now that they are being tested again

titan18

Ficheall wrote: »

I don't think anyone who thinks their haircut is more important than trying to curb the spread of the virus is likely to have low self esteem..

Is there any proof that hairdressers increase the spread of covid by a lot? Hell, for a male, you're barely in their 15 minutes and wearing a mask at the same time.

The one I go to has a max of 4 people in at a time (and it's a good size place), windows or door open, masks on and the actual haircut takes about 10-15 mins at most. I'm more in danger if I head to Tesco imo.

oceanman

Deleted User wrote: »

• Italy has already re-opened cafes, restaurants, and museums.
  
• Malta has cafes, restaurants, hairdressers, museums, non-essential retail already open.
  
• Cyprus plans to reopen travel to visitors from 1 March.

Whatever way you cut it, this is progress.

Compare this to Ireland, which will still be in Level 5 by May (they will call it Level 4, which is Level 5-light in reality).

its barely even 3 in reality...loads of places open.

Happydays2020

oceanman wrote: »

its barely even 3 in reality...loads of places open.

Where is open? Schools shut. Construction shut, cafes shut, pubs shut, retail shut, restaurants shut.

Plumbthedepths

NIMAN wrote: »

Was just watching the latest figures on the 9 o'clock news, and see the positivity rate is just over 5%.
So for every 100 folk that feel bad, and their gp recommends they get tested, only 5 are positive.

So what is wrong with the other 95? Never seen this question asked anywhere on tv or radio debates.

My SIL of 30 years without fail due to childhood asthma gets a bad chest infection every year about this time. Same prescription meds everytime. This year her GP refused to give her a prescription without her getting a Covid test first. Her result was negative but she got her prescription and 10 days off work paid.
I'm sure there is many other examples along with routine testing in certain settings.

Plumbthedepths

oceanman wrote: »

its barely even 3 in reality...loads of places open.

Are you suggesting what we have here in Ireland is barely level 3. No social outlets open at all.
Meanwhile.... a glimpse of what most of Europe will experience in the coming months. We of course will still be concerned.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210201-restaurants-and-museums-reopen-as-italy-relaxes-coronavirus-curbs

hotmail.com

It's likely flights will be cancelled altogether for the next few months.

A disastrously miserable period for so many people.

alexonhisown

Stheno wrote: »

5200 people between Jan 30 and Feb 5

No quarantine hotels yet



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-concern-as-5-200-irish-people-return-from-holidays-abroad-in-one-week-1.4481242?mode=amp

That's more than i thought alright

alexonhisown

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's likely flights will be cancelled altogether for the next few months.

A disastrously miserable period for so many people.

And lets hope at the end of all this there will be airlines still operating.

Amirani

NIMAN wrote: »

Was just watching the latest figures on the 9 o'clock news, and see the positivity rate is just over 5%.
So for every 100 folk that feel bad, and their gp recommends they get tested, only 5 are positive.

So what is wrong with the other 95? Never seen this question asked anywhere on tv or radio debates.

People getting admitted to hospital also get tested. There's cohort testing in hospitals too and serial testing in residential care settings. Close contacts now being tested again routinely.