Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

bb1234567

Heard some people on twitter complaining about 12 deaths denotified on twitter today..
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1359640638921322496
Perspective..in a pandemic there are constraints that don't allow for as accurate death reporting as we'd like or hope, but it's a much better situation here than the massive underreporting of deaths occurring in the Americas. How would anyone have any hope of trusting Ohio authorities of giving citizens sound advice when such major mistakes become apparent?

bb1234567

polesheep wrote: »

Who cares about other countries? Let's lead not follow.

Yes I'd have no problem with that, but nothing wrong with just being aware of what's goin on.

quokula

political analyst wrote: »

Why should small-and-medium entrepreneurs (SMEs) be hostages to the number of Covid sufferers in ICU?

Many Irish health professionals who were working abroad came home during the first wave of the pandemic to help. Obviously, some of them had difficulty in securing work after their short-term contracts ran out but I hope that many, or most, of them have secured permanent employment in healthcare by now. Furthermore, the recruitment embargo was lifted at the start of the pandemic.

So why isn't the government increasing the number of ICU beds? The extra money that would cost would be a drop in the ocean by comparison with how much money the government has borrowed.

Because putting more people in ICU for the sake of putting a few quid in your pocket isn't a reasonable trade, even if we do have more staff available to see to them in their transition through debilitating long term illness or potential premature death.

Beasty

polesheep wrote: »

Christ, I never realised I was posting to so many 20 and 30 year olds... who don't have a backbone! Talking of leaving when the going gets tough. You are being ridden sideways by my generation. Get up, stand up (Stand up for your life).

polesheep wrote: »

No it doesn't! When you can spell variant then we'll talk about it.

Threadbanned

polesheep

quokula wrote: »

Because putting more people in ICU for the sake of putting a few quid in your pocket isn't a reasonable trade, even if we do have more staff available to see to them in their transition through debilitating long term illness or potential premature death.

Nice try at heaping on the old guilt, but the tide is turning. We have vaccines and they prevent severe illness. Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated Covid will be consigned to history along with the last gasp of Catholic guilt burdening that we have been witnessing.

Hmob

Polesheep has left the building

political analyst

quokula wrote: »

Because putting more people in ICU for the sake of putting a few quid in your pocket isn't a reasonable trade, even if we do have more staff available to see to them in their transition through debilitating long term illness or potential premature death.

Let's examine SMEs' predicament from a public health point-of-view, especially regarding hairdressers because there's more it to it than women's frustrations about split-ends. Ordinary schools will gradually resume class throughout March and some parents might not have the confidence to cut their children's hair safely and don't have relatives or close friends who would be able to do it for them. If children who return to school still have hair that is longer than it usually would be and, let's say the water supply at home is cut off for various reasons, meaning their hair hasn't been cleaned, and if there are also outbreaks of head lice, well, you get the picture!

quokula

polesheep wrote: »

Nice try at heaping on the old guilt, but the tide is turning. We have vaccines and they prevent severe illness. Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated Covid will be consigned to history along with the last gasp of Catholic guilt burdening that we have been witnessing.

This is exactly what the idiots were espousing before we opened up in December. The "tide was turning" then too, and it cost hundreds of lives when it turned and forced us to turn back immediately afterwards.

It's only been a few weeks since then and we've only just started getting it back under control and people have already forgotten what happens when you get wreck-less. We're only a few months away from vaccines making a major impact. I don't understand the desire some people seem to have to leave a massive death toll in our wake for the sake of a few more months of being sensible.

polesheep

Beasty wrote: »

Threadbanned

Grand. I did say that I was only here for the duration of Covid and it's as good as over now. I won't miss the spittle and the spite.

quokula

political analyst wrote: »

Let's examine SMEs' predicament from a public health point-of-view, especially regarding hairdressers because there's more it to it than women's frustrations about split-ends. Ordinary schools will gradually resume class throughout March and some parents might not have the confidence to cut their children's hair safely and don't have relatives or close friends who would be able to do it for them. If children who return to school still have hair that is longer than it usually would be and, let's say the water supply at home is cut off for various reasons, meaning their hair hasn't been cleaned, and if there are also outbreaks of head lice, well, you get the picture!

If there is suddenly no water anymore, as in your scenario, hairdressers wouldn't be able to operate anyway. I'm not sure we need to worry about ICUs being overrun with headlice victims any time soon.

Denny61

polesheep wrote: »

Grand. I did say that I was only here for the duration of Covid and it's as good as over now. I won't miss the spittle and the spite.

And we won't miss you either....

JCX BXC

Seeing a concerning amount of people going missing or ending up in rivers.

Tony & Government will have a lot of deaths on their shoulders to carry after this, and they won't be COVID deaths.

bodhrandude

From this time last year, all eyes on China at the time.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1226992621035364352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1226992621035364352%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058047651page%3D114

PTH2009

It's frightening how angry this whole sub thread has been the last few days

Rightly so imo people are been pushed way too far and have enough

Plumbthedepths

JCX BXC wrote: »

Seeing a concerning amount of people going missing or ending up in rivers.

Tony & Government will have a lot of deaths on their shoulders to carry after this, and they won't be COVID deaths.

There seems to be a media blackout on mental health issues.

Arduach

JCX BXC wrote: »

Seeing a concerning amount of people going missing or ending up in rivers.

Tony & Government will have a lot of deaths on their shoulders to carry after this, and they won't be COVID deaths.

It's very tragic but they have to act for the greater good. i.e. save as many lives as possible.

They won't have anything to carry on their shoulders.

Scuid Mhór

Everyone needs to remember that when this all began, there was no guarantee we would even have a vaccine. Who knows where we would be today if no progress had been made on a vaccine? Against all the odds, we have one, we know some sort of localised normality will presumably return in late 2021, we just need to hold on until then.

People are burned out by now and that’s understandable. The slow vaccine distribution within the EU is naturally frustrating. The lack of optimism and spontaneity in our lives is a crushing reminder of the omnipresence of the virus. But there is a way out of it, we just need to be patient. The formula hasn’t changed. We are almost there.

jams100

Arduach wrote: »

It's very tragic but they have to act for the greater good. i.e. save as many lives as possible.

They won't have anything to carry on their shoulders.

I think the worrying thing is that nobody is asking questions, maybe they are bang on with the restrictions but everyone is too afraid to ask any questions.
As I said to a friend today its all well and good banning international travel but when will these restrictions end? When there's zero deaths? When there's zero hospitalizations? Or zero cases? If things aren't much better this time next year do we keep ploughing on?
I watched the documentary on rte last night and its terrible but after a year of doing the right things I and many others are completely fed up I want to go see my friends, I want to go play a game of golf. We (I) can't carry on like this, and I don't really care if that is selfish at this stage

MrMusician18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There seems to be a media blackout on mental health issues.

Suicide is never reported on out of both respect for the family and to prevent copycats. Has always been the way. It isn't even mentioned in obituaries.

But you must be joking about a blackout on mental health. Mental health excuses are being bandied about in the media more freely than the Zimbabwean dollar was back in the day. Of course these aren't real issues generally "this is bad for my mental health" is just the trendy euphemism for "I don't really like this".

MrMusician18

jams100 wrote: »

I think the worrying thing is that nobody is asking questions, maybe they are bang on with the restrictions but everyone is too afraid to ask any questions.
As I said to a friend today its all well and good banning international travel but when will these restrictions end? When there's zero deaths? When there's zero hospitalizations? Or zero cases? If things aren't much better this time next year do we keep ploughing on?
I watched the documentary on rte last night and its terrible but after a year of doing the right things I and many others are completely fed up I want to go see my friends, I want to go play a game of golf. We (I) can't carry on like this, and I don't really care if that is selfish at this stage

The restrictions will end when there is no longer a threat to the health service. That threat will be largely addressed by June when the most vulnerable groups will have received their second dose of vaccine and have developed immunity. This isn't endless, it's only likely to last for a few more months

spookwoman

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Suicide is never reported on out of both respect for the family and to prevent copycats. Has always been the way. It isn't even mentioned in obituaries.

But you must be joking about a blackout on mental health. Mental health excuses are being bandied about in the media more freely than the Zimbabwean dollar was back in the day. Of course these aren't real issues generally "this is bad for my mental health" is just the trendy euphemism for "I don't really like this".

Keeps being brought up by the same people as well every time there is something they don't want to hear. It' the equivalent of putting their fingers in the ear and going la la la.

Already brought up for the umpteenth time and there is no proof that there is an increase in suicides.

prunudo

So MM is banging on that the Uk variant is more transmissable among close contacts than previous variants. Maybe, just maybe its to do with everyone being cooped up indoors, in stuffy houses due to the crappy weather the last few weeks. You know like the way respiratory illness is worse during every other winter.

Also May for level 5, do these idiots understand how the majority are feeling. We're 6 weeks into these current restrictions with nothing to look forward to and people are already at their wits end, to think compliance will continue for another 3 months is delusional.
Not to mention if they did open after 4 months lockdown people will go mad and infection rates will sore again like what happened at the lead up to Christmas.

ch750536

prunudo wrote: »

So MM is banging on that the Uk variant is more transmissable among close contacts than previous variants. Maybe, just maybe its to do with everyone being cooped up indoors, in stuffy houses due to the crappy weather the last few weeks. You know like the way respiratory illness is worse during every other winter.

Also May for level 5, do these idiots understand how the majority are feeling. We're 6 weeks into these current restrictions with nothing to look forward to and people are already at their wits end, to think compliance will continue for another 3 months is delusional.
Not to mention if they did open after 4 months lockdown people will go mad and infection rates will sore again like what happened at the lead up to Christmas.

Do you recall the ****show in January that was a result of a 'weak government allowing christmas to happen'.
Can't have it both ways.

Golfman64

prunudo wrote: »

So MM is banging on that the Uk variant is more transmissable among close contacts than previous variants. Maybe, just maybe its to do with everyone being cooped up indoors, in stuffy houses due to the crappy weather the last few weeks. You know like the way respiratory illness is worse during every other winter.

Also May for level 5, do these idiots understand how the majority are feeling. We're 6 weeks into these current restrictions with nothing to look forward to and people are already at their wits end, to think compliance will continue for another 3 months is delusional.
Not to mention if they did open after 4 months lockdown people will go mad and infection rates will sore again like what happened at the lead up to Christmas.

What an utter sh1tshow from the government if this comes to pass. Anther 6 weeks without any form of easing is nonsense. We will be the last to unlock..again. It’s time to start building in some nuance and intelligence to the reopening and put the sledgehammer away.

Worse again, it’s now impossible to leave and go to a more reasonable country.

Certainly the last time I will ever vote for FF, FG or the Greens.

fits

I’ve mostly switched off in recent weeks. Dip into this thread, a few good people on twitter and follow the covid figures but that’s it. I’m ok with restrictions until May as long as the schools can open. But it’s a difficult time for small business that’s for sure. I’m unemployed too. But We have to get this suppressed to have any hope of a normal summer. That RTE Investigates programme has stayed with me and I’d recommend to everyone to watch it.

Not trying to think about reopening. I have two trips away booked in Ireland. Looking forward to them but que sera sera.

prunudo

ch750536 wrote: »

Do you recall the ****show in January that was a result of a 'weak government allowing christmas to happen'.
Can't have it both ways.

That was predominantly caused by reckless behaviour with hospitality and socialising. Again given the time of year, people meeting indoors didn't help either.
Level 5 till May is a drastic measure. Keeping hospitality closed is a given but a bit of hope regarding easing of non essential retail and the 5km limit wouldn't go amiss.

SnuggyBear

prunudo wrote: »

That was predominantly caused by reckless behaviour with hospitality.

Sorry but that's just crap

prunudo

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Sorry but that's just crap

Its not crap, people meeting up causes spread. After a year of this I thought that would be obvious.

SnuggyBear

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would have taught that was commonsense,no?

Going to a restaurant is reckless behaviour? If hospitality didn't open we would be in the exact same position now.

prunudo

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Going to a restaurant is reckless behaviour?

Yes, not every person who went to a restaurant or pub behaved themselves, that in turn caused numbers to spread, these people then brought the virus home, travelled around country and it spread around the community. That basically sums up the 3 weeks of December where things fell apart.