Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people

Looks like some people would rather mass house arrest continue and people keep dying than consider a non-EU vaccine.

runawaybishop wrote: »

The UK had 1k deaths the other day, we had less than 60!

Oh wait, you forgot to account for the huge population difference. Whoops. Once we have the vaccines we plan on doing pretty much the same numbers, proportionally, as the UK.

Scotland, with almost the exact same population as us, has vaccinated over a million people, and is vaccinating 1% of its population every single day.

We will vaccinate fewer than 30,000 people this week, and probably won't hit the cumulative quarter-million mark until later this month.

The first meeting of our vaccination team did not occur until November, eight months after Leo's lockdown.

titan18

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people

Well, it's working. If I was Serbia, I'd definitely feel much more gracious and open to working with Russia going forward than the EU.

b0nk1e

b0nk1e wrote: »

The Government is in a really dangerous place just now.

They need people to buy into the vaccine programme. They've done that to date by promising that the lockdown will be eased when the vulnerable are vaccinated, and lifted when large parts of the population are.

If they now turn round and say "ah actually it doesn't matter how many people get vaccinated, Micheál is scared and is keeping you all under house arrest, what are you going to do, there's four years until the next election", they completely undermine their own vaccination programme.




Russian and Chinese vaccines are available for purchase, and our Government is refusing to consider their use because Micheál Martin wants to be a European Commissioner.

This was the same reason we were placed under house arrest for almost all of last year whilst dozens of flights a day landed from Poland, Romania, Lithuania etc.
We're not stupid. If they keep reneging on their own statements, people will just stop listening.

They reneged on the plan for living with Covid on the day it was released. The Minister for Health can take two different, sometimes opposing, positions in the same statement.

They're in for a huge shock if they think they're going to push another lockdown on us after March 5th, especially when they've put a special "Taoiseach, Taoiseach's family, Taoiseach's staff, Taoiseach's advisers, Taoiseach's mates" category in the vaccination schedule and put it ahead of the old and vulnerable.

You are embarrassing yourself with your ill informed rhetoric. Why have Russia only distributed 3.9 million doses in Russia itself? Why are they entering into arrangements with a German manufacturer to increase capacity? So far they are using the vaccine as a propaganda tool. When they have capacity, it will be another vaccine in the arsenal

podgeandrodge

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fauci on tv saying they US may have turned the corner re the disease but not to become complacent

Very optimistic message

Here - Level 5 lockdown until May

In the US people can travel from State to State pretty easily, a lot more than 5km And many states have bars open for outside service.

There does seem to be big differences across the world in how tight restrictions are. But figures falling everywhere perhaps at a similar level?

latency89

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

War torn extremists or not we humans are all made of the same stuff. Science doesn't care about political ideology or wars. Same reason scientists think this island can do zero covid19. Why wouldn't luke o Neill think they are doing great in terms of vaccines? They are.

Depends what your goals are

Our governments goal is sub 100 cases a day for 6 weeks to restrict lockdown?

Israel cases are at 5000 cases a day, we are at 800 ( down from 8000 a day ), they are down from 8000 cases a day to 5000 case day, dreadful reduction and they lockdown on the 27th Dec like we did ( well 26th Dec here )

They have 60% population vaccinated, we don't even have 6% :pac: and we are dropping cases way faster.

They are easing restrictions in Israel at 5000 cases day, bat**** crazy our government would think

If our government talked about ICU, hospilisations targets we could compare Israel, as vaccines do work great here, but if we look at cases only and so far vaccination data to reduce cases population wise in Israel hasn't done much as they are a basket case, full of extremists.

Israel 1st Jan, 5000 cases, Israel Feb 11th 5000 cases, 60% population vaccinated with 1st dose, full lockdown, great results :rolleyes:

Ficheall

b0nk1e wrote: »

This was the same reason we were placed under house arrest for almost all of last year

You haven't been under house arrest at all. Even if you were infected or returning from a "hotspot" you were not forced to stay in your house.

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

Well, it's working. If I was Serbia, I'd definitely feel much more gracious and open to working with Russia going forward than the EU.

Russia are using it as a political tool, not a life saving vaccine. The Russian people have only got 3.9 million doses as doses are being reserved for political influence elsewhere.

Imagine the outrage here if an Irish company shipped 2 million does to a small country when only 3% of the population had received a vaccine

latency89

latency89 wrote: »

Depends what your goals are

Our governments goal is sub 100 cases a day for 6 weeks to restrict lockdown?

Israel cases are at 5000 cases a day, we are at 800 ( down from 8000 a day ), they are down from 8000 cases a day to 5000 case day, dreadful reduction and they lockdown on the 27th Dec like we did ( well 26th Dec here )

They have 60% population vaccinated, we don't even have 6% :pac: and we are dropping cases way faster.

They are easing restrictions in Israel at 5000 cases day, bat**** crazy our government would think

If our government talked about ICU, hospilisations targets we could compare Israel, as vaccines do work great here, but if we look at cases only and so far vaccination data to reduce cases population wise in Israel hasn't done much as they are a basket case, full of extremists.

Israel 1st Jan, 5000 cases, Israel Feb 11th 5000 cases, 60% population vaccinated with 1st dose, full lockdown, great results :rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

Israels problem is that the two large groups with the highest infection rates are the two groups most resistant to both taking the vaccine and adhering to any restrictions. Orthodox Jews and Israeli Arabs

For a second time

runawaybishop

b0nk1e wrote: »

Scotland, with almost the exact same population as us, has vaccinated over a million people, and is vaccinating 1% of its population every single day.

We will vaccinate fewer than 30,000 people this week, and probably won't hit the cumulative quarter-million mark until later this month.

The first meeting of our vaccination team did not occur until November, eight months after Leo's lockdown.

We don't have the vaccines to give out, those that we have gotten have been put into arms. Right now something like 99% of our distributed vaccines are from a single supplier, as moderna and AZ come on stream our numbers will shoot up.

latency89

Deleted User wrote: »

For a second time

Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

Sure

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like Russia are prioritising vaccine supply to countries with the opportunity to embarrass Europe rather than to their own people

Yes, and Serbia are close allies of Russia. We are not. I'm happy for that to stay that way.

There is no untapped reservoir of vaccines we are not accessing. If we had been able to get more vaccines, it would only be at the expense of other countries, and considering our size it was as likely we could have lost out. There was criticism of Europe for not acting together at the start of this, now there's criticism because apparently it should have been a free-for-all.

runawaybishop

latency89 wrote: »

Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

Sure

He's not wrong. Anyway their hospitalisations for the vaccinated groups are dropping hugely.

mean gene

Same old posts our numbers are low for vaccinating people while this is true we have barely any supply the EU are at fault here a pathetic display from them shameful

brickster69

Just had a chat with my Mum who has friends living out in Spain. She said they are opening up everything today. Bars, bars, restaurants, gyms schools, cinemas, theatres and shops are all open with some restrictions.

Seems a bit early to me with reports of that kent version starting to show up there.

latency89

runawaybishop wrote: »

He's not wrong. Anyway their hospitalisations for the vaccinated groups are dropping hugely.

That's like when people said hospitals are the cause of all the infections

Extremists alone can not be the cause for 5000 cases a day

latency89

latency89 wrote: »

Yes the extremists are causing all the cases :rolleyes:

Sure

40% of the population of Israel are either Orthodox Jewish or Arab. That's 4 million people. That doesn't include the Palestinians, another 4.6 million people who unless they are in east Jerusalem have been excluded from vaccine rollout, and many of whom cross into Israel for work daily.

Roll your eyes all you want. Orthodox Jewish or Israeli Arab =/= Extremist. One group or nearly 2 million people still congregate and mistrust vaccines for religious reasons, and other group of 2 million citizens distrust the state due to years of marginalisation

runawaybishop

latency89 wrote: »

That's like when people said hospitals are the cause of all the infections

Extremists alone can not be the cause for 5000 cases a day

They are not solely responsible but the orthodox community is strongly anti government and anti vaccine. They refused to follow many of the covid restrictions and are riddled with it.

latency89

Deleted User wrote: »

40% of the population of Israel are either Orthodox Jewish or Arab. That's 4 million people. That doesn't include the Palestinians, another 4.6 million people who unless they are in east Jerusalem have been excluded from vaccine rollout, and many of whom cross into Israel for work daily.

Roll your eyes all you want. Orthodox Jewish or Israeli Arab =/= Extremist. One group or nearly 2 million people still congregate and mistrust vaccines for religious reasons, and other group of 2 million citizens distrust the state due to years of marginalisation

Wasting time vaccinating there then, with so many nutters who don't care about the virus.

muddypuppy

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In the US people can travel from State to State pretty easily, a lot more than 5km And many states have bars open for outside service.

There does seem to be big differences across the world in how tight restrictions are. But figures falling everywhere perhaps at a similar level?

I don't think it's at the same level but yes. If I had to put money I would bet on covid being very seasonal. It explains why we are starting to see a drop worldwide (southern hemisphere count less in the statistics), why apparently we saw covid circulating before March last year but it didn't immediately collapse all hospitals (it circulate more slowly) and why most countries haven't seen any major outbreak in the summer with most things open/people going on vacations (I highly doubt people spending more time outdoor is the reason, the vast majority of the time (sleep, work, restaurant, meeting people) is spent indoor even in summer)
It's still controversial/not proven, only time will tell.

blowitupref

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Philip Nolan on Radio 1 now saying it’ll take 6 weeks before numbers are consistently below 100 cases per day. No let up on restrictions before then it seems.

He said at the briefing yesterday we could reach 100 cases by March 15th.

I presume this living with Covid plan on the 21st will have a phase easing of restrictions. Phase 1 last year was May 18th and the 7 day average then was 161 cases per day while In hospital we had 386 and in ICU 55.

latency89

latency89 wrote: »

Wasting time vaccinating there then, with so many nutters who don't care about the virus.

Both groups will largely come on board, eventually. Its the Palestinians who are getting screwed

titan18

blowitupref wrote: »

He said at the briefing yesterday we could reach 100 cases by March 15th.

I presume this living with Covid plan on the 21st will have a phase easing of restrictions. Phase 1 last year was May 18th and the 7 day average then was 161 cases per day while In hospital we had 386 and in ICU 55.

We're testing a lot more now than back in May so we shouldn't really be comparing case numbers to back then.

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its the Palestinians who are getting screwed

As always.

billyhead

Can someone explain to me please how the schedule for the over 70s for vaccines is planned. Next week is over 85s. Is the 80 to 85 cohort the following week and the 75-80 the week after for the 1st dosage?

Eod100

New countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list.

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1360214875516129280

blowitupref

titan18 wrote: »

We're testing a lot more now than back in May so we shouldn't really be comparing case numbers to back then.

True, Just giving an example to what it was when level 5 restrictions was eased last spring. The weekly testing back then was a little under 40,000 we had a 7 day positivity rate average of 2.5%. By the end of March we'll likely have at least double that amount of weekly testing.

Richard Hillman

runawaybishop wrote: »

They are not solely responsible but the orthodox community is strongly anti government and anti vaccine. They refused to follow many of the covid restrictions and are riddled with it.

This is the hurdle that most countries are going to face. You'll get to a certain percentage of the population and then you'll get to the people who are resistant. WTF do you do then?

No free country is going to inoculate 100%. I reckon 70-80% if you are lucky.


This is from a month ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/britons-most-likely-take-covid-vaccine-143029751.html

Look at the numbers. Poland 28% will take the vaccine, France 39%, Germany 51%. Then look at even the most pro vaccine, Italy 64%, Spain 66%.

You do wonder what the great masterplan is from Governments if they think they won't open up societies again until 60-70-80% of the population will get vaccinated because it ain't going to happen.

caveat emptor

SheepsClothing wrote: »

People so weak minded, that they'd rather stick on a blindfold, say their prayers and hope for the best, rather than have plan for the possibility that something could go wrong.

I listened to the osterholm update this morning and the title of the episode was based on a quote. Very apt for how different people process different information.

A pesimist complains about the wind.
An optimist hopes it'll change,
A realist adjusts his sails

A lot of people can't seem to tack when the wind changes.

Here's the episode. Two interesting things discussed which he would want to be done.

• A review of the data on single dose effect. The data is there from the trials it just needs to be analysed.
• If it shows protection then US should change to single dose to save as many lives and hospitalisations as possible. He even said he'd forgo his own second dose next week if possible.

Worth a listen.

edit: post about research from UK on the single dose. Looks very positive.

https://associationofanaesthetists-publications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/anae.15442

Second, there is a large benefit from maintaining high vaccination rates beyond groups 1–4: vaccinating through groups 5–7 has a substantial impact on all three metrics including reducing hospital admissions by > 80% and ICU admissions by almost 70%. Third, it provides some support for the strategy of delaying the second dose of vaccine, as within approximately 3 months around half of the adult population can be vaccinated, and as all three slopes are relatively steep up to this point, this will optimise the impact on deaths and healthcare service pressures.

Loafing Oaf

Eod100 wrote: »

New countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list.

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1360214875516129280

Eswatini, is that even an actual country?

ninebeanrows

What's situation in Austria? Their 14 day rate is lower than ours?