Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Kunta Kinte

Lucas Hood wrote: »

What measures are in place for people who don't pay the fines?

Another poster already answered you. Non payment of fines means a court summons with the strong probability of a heavier fine being imposed.

Plumbthedepths

robbiezero wrote: »

Support bubble is all you need to say.

Or visiting a grave, providing care to a family member. Or to purchase an essential product.

Kunta Kinte

robbiezero wrote: »

Support bubble is all you need to say.

And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?

This Long Covid is the same as Long influenza, the difference is, Covid has the spotlight. Studies into long terms effects of Flu are thin enough on the ground and yet here we have a NEW disease we know NOTHING about according to experts, and it's now implicated in everything..

I read last week they're discovering dozens of other syptoms..Basically if you wake up in the morning with a desire to have a ****...It's a sign of Covid-19 that requires a test ASAP.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

https://www.jneurosci.org/content/38/12/3060

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0945053X18301458

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?

they do, I've used it countless times over the last few months! I have travelled from Louth to Limerick to be with my daughter from November right up to a fortnight ago. I said every time I was stopped that she is in my support bubble. This was the truth. Each time I was wished good luck and told to continue on my journey.

bennyl10

robbiezero wrote: »

Good luck with that. Most people I know will be doing it in March.

this.

want to stop inter county travel until the summer? not a hope will that be followed

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

they do, I've used it countless times over the last few months! I have travelled from Louth to Limerick to be with my daughter from November right up to a fortnight ago. I said every time I was stopped that she is in my support bubble. This was the truth. Each time I was wished good luck and told to continue on my journey.

Without being asked for details? I very much doubt it.

rusty cole

rusty cole wrote: »

This Long Covid is the same as Long influenza, the difference is, Covid has the spotlight. Studies into long terms effects of Flu are thin enough on the ground and yet here we have a NEW disease we know NOTHING about according to experts, and it's now implicated in everything..

I read last week they're discovering dozens of other syptoms..Basically if you wake up in the morning with a desire to have a ****...It's a sign of Covid-19 that requires a test ASAP.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

.................likewise depression and anxiety.......they are now all part or Long Covid! Nothing to do with a year of draconian restrictions where you couldn't meet anyone in your family, you couldn't meet any friends, you couldn't go for a walk outside 5km , where you had to mind your 3 kids, school them and still work from home yourself. These restrictions are causing anxiety and depression........ maybe we all have Long Covid

gmisk

seamus wrote: »

Germany aren't getting doses any faster though. Germany's extra doses will come after the EU's full allocation has been delivered and distributed.

If the goal is faster distribution, then there's basically nothing anyone can do to speed it up except make sure their supplies are arriving safely.

When we get to May/June we might begin to see some discrepancies. We've bet on having access to a range of vaccines. Germany have bought a load of extra doses. So if, when the EU's allocation is fully delivered, there is a shortfall in other supplies, Germany will have a buffer of the extra doses they have on backorder.

Ok thanks for clarifying.
I'd rather we have that buffer as well tbh.

The other option might be to go rogue a bit like Hungary and buy sputnik and the Chinese vaccine on our own without EMA approval?

Not sure I would be in favour of that myself...but just wondering.

Plumbthedepths

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

And you believe that every Garda will accept that cover story at face value?

There are plenty of other acceptable reasons support bubble is only one.

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Without being asked for details? I very much doubt it.

I was NEVER ONCE asked for details. She is legitimately in my support bubble. I was NEVER asked for any details. Maybe I just have a nice smile!

SheepsClothing

rusty cole wrote: »

This Long Covid is the same as Long influenza, the difference is, Covid has the spotlight. Studies into long terms effects of Flu are thin enough on the ground and yet here we have a NEW disease we know NOTHING about according to experts, and it's now implicated in everything..

I read last week they're discovering dozens of other syptoms..Basically if you wake up in the morning with a desire to have a ****...It's a sign of Covid-19 that requires a test ASAP.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

https://www.jneurosci.org/content/38/12/3060

Does the long term effects of the Flu cause issues for fit professional athletes?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8993815/Atletico-Madrid-fear-Diego-Costas-deep-vein-thrombosis-caused-coronavirus.html

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/30427574/cody-garbrandt-recovering-covid-19-eyes-march-title-fight-vs-deiveson-figueiredo

https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/khamzat-chimaev-thought-he-was-going-to-die-from-covid-19-complications/

Lucas Hood

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Another poster already answered you. Non payment of fines means a court summons with the strong probability of a heavier fine being imposed.

And what measures are in place to ensure those fines are paid ?

I read this in a book over Xmas, not related to Covid

10% of people in the USA senior citizens
That 10% consumes 30% off all medicines.
They also take up 50% of all the hospital beds..

If you apply that to here, That's a lot of people at risk sitting in a creaky system littered with Covid-19..

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

.................likewise depression and anxiety.......they are now all part or Long Covid! Nothing to do with a year of draconian restrictions where you couldn't meet anyone in your family, you couldn't meet any friends, you couldn't go for a walk outside 5km , where you had to mind your 3 kids, school them and still work from home yourself. These restrictions are causing anxiety and depression........ maybe we all have Long Covid

Maybe in your alternative dimension of reality a full year of everything that I bolded in your quote has happened. In the dimension that most of us live in this never took place. Sorry to burst your bubble. BTW you have just contradicted yourself. You claimed earlier that you have been travelling the length of the country for several months to visit your daughter after being told to continue on your journey by Gardai and now you claim that you can`t meet anyone in your family. So which is it?

Plumbthedepths

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Does the long term effects of the Flu cause issues for fit professional athletes?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8993815/Atletico-Madrid-fear-Diego-Costas-deep-vein-thrombosis-caused-coronavirus.html

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/30427574/cody-garbrandt-recovering-covid-19-eyes-march-title-fight-vs-deiveson-figueiredo

https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/khamzat-chimaev-thought-he-was-going-to-die-from-covid-19-complications/

Novak recovered well, even won some games I believe. Can find alot more but sure what's the point.
https://www.cbssports.com/tennis/news/novak-djokovic-will-play-in-us-open-says-hes-fully-recovered-from-covid-19/

Deusexmachina

seamus wrote: »

People also don't seem to get economies of scale. We cannot demand more than our share of the available vaccines, and we can't make special deals to get more; we can't afford it.

There is also a functional limit on just how many vaccinations can be carried out. The UK has now done enough first doses to fully vaccinate our population 3 times over.
Even if we could, for the sake of argument, get 10 million doses next week, next we need to consider that the UK has 80,000 vaccinators, which is about 5% of the NHS staff.

Our entire healthcare system - everyone, healthcare staff, admin staff, porters - is 100,000 people.

So even if we had all the doses we needed, we would have to second every single qualified healthcare worker in the state, have them abandon what they're doing, and do nothing but vaccinations.

And that's before you get to the logisitics of setting up the facilities to administer 250,000 doses a day, and all of the staff and resources you would need to achieve that.

Why should healthcare staff (admin staff, porters..etc as you suggest) be the only people to administer vaccines?

What about trained army personnel, medical students, St John ambulance volunteers, teachers..etc? This is not a medically complex vaccine to administer.

You can train to administer the flu vaccine online - I am sure this is no more complex.

SheepsClothing

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Does the long term effects of the Flu cause issues for fit professional athletes?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8993815/Atletico-Madrid-fear-Diego-Costas-deep-vein-thrombosis-caused-coronavirus.html

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/30427574/cody-garbrandt-recovering-covid-19-eyes-march-title-fight-vs-deiveson-figueiredo

https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/khamzat-chimaev-thought-he-was-going-to-die-from-covid-19-complications/

WTF.. Yes, everyone that's kind of the point..

https://www.today.com/health/teen-athlete-dies-flu-it-can-happen-anyone-t108040

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Maybe in your alternative dimension of reality a full year of everything that I bolded in your quote has happened. In the dimension that most of us live in this never took place. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I haven't yet met any of my siblings. I have 6 of them in counties like Westmeath, Kildare, Donegal....also the UK and US. Some of them are healthcare workers, some of them had vulnerable family members. So I haven't still met any of them sadly. I'm looking forward to it soon.

TonyMaloney

rusty cole wrote: »

This Long Covid is the same as Long influenza, the difference is, Covid has the spotlight. Studies into long terms effects of Flu are thin enough on the ground and yet here we have a NEW disease we know NOTHING about according to experts, and it's now implicated in everything..

I read last week they're discovering dozens of other syptoms..Basically if you wake up in the morning with a desire to have a ****...It's a sign of Covid-19 that requires a test ASAP.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/flu-long-term-effects

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6

https://www.jneurosci.org/content/38/12/3060

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0945053X18301458

Right. And if we have another outbreak of flu that is as contagious and potentially debilitating as covid, then long flu will be an equally massive issue.

The last year or so will have seen millions of people contract covid and go on to suffer long term complications. At the same time there's been roughly zero people to suffer an equivalent fate from the flu.

So to equate the two is just unspeakably daft.

Plumbthedepths

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Why should healthcare staff (admin staff, porters..etc as you suggest) be the only people to administer vaccines?

What about trained army personnel, medical students, St John ambulance volunteers, teachers..etc? This is not a medically complex vaccine to administer.

You can train to administer the flu vaccine online - I am sure this is no more complex.

Can you train to observe people after you vaccinate them online and what to do if they have an adverse reaction soon thereafter?

SheepsClothing

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Novak recovered well, even won some games I believe. Can find alot more but sure what's the point.
https://www.cbssports.com/tennis/news/novak-djokovic-will-play-in-us-open-says-hes-fully-recovered-from-covid-19/

So Novak Djokovic recovering in timely manner, proves that long covid doesn't exist and it's just the flu? Top science there.

Plumbthedepths

SheepsClothing wrote: »

So Novak Djokovic recovering in timely manner, proves that long covid doesn't exist and it's just the flu? Top science there.

Actually it shows that some have no issues whatsoever and make a full recovery. The flu claim is yours btw lad.

Deusexmachina

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can you train to observe people after you vaccinate them online and what to do if they have an adverse reaction soon thereafter?

I never suggested vaccinating people online. How would that work?:)

Seriously though, what happens if someone has an adverse reaction after a pharmacist has administered their vaccine?

Surely it would be no different than when (let's say) a trained vaccinator from the army did so?

SheepsClothing

rusty cole wrote: »

WTF.. Yes, everyone that's kind of the point..

https://www.today.com/health/teen-athlete-dies-flu-it-can-happen-anyone-t108040

That's not a professional athlete.

Kunta Kinte

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There are plenty of other acceptable reasons support bubble is only one.

Humour me and name a few.

SheepsClothing

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually it shows that some have no issues whatsoever and make a full recovery. The flu claim is yours btw lad.

I posted evidence of professional athletes suffering severe after effects from Covid-19. That's the evidence. Some athletes not having severe after effects, doesn't prove that severe after effects don't exist.

Plumbthedepths

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I never suggested vaccinating people online. How would that work?:)

Seriously though, what happens if someone has an adverse reaction after a pharmacist has administered their vaccine?

Surely it would be no different that when (let's say) a trained vaccinator from the army did so?

You said you can train to vaccinate from online learning. Did you forget? If you going to respond in such a ridiculous manner i have no interest in dealing with your nonsense.

ginoginelli

[Deleted User] wrote: »

that stooge was Dr Gabriel (Hysteria) Scally. He also suggested Covid is now being spread in supermarkets, that we need to wear far more impenetrable medical masks (not the cotton ones) and that "long Covid" is causing huge issues even in children who could end up with disabilities from it...........!! :eek:.....at this point Claire Byrne said "thank you very much as always".

It sounding more like desperation at this stage, trying to keep people on board. Its not working. Dr Scally is creating his own echo chamber and RTE are desperately hanging in there. The more positivity there is from the UK, the worse the negativity gets here. Its bizarre and the irony is its actually counter productive. People are simply not buying it anymore.

Maybe you should read up on Dr Scallys resume and qualifications before you cast aspersions on his character. He is president of epidemiology and public health of "The royal society of medicine". He is a member of SAGE and former director in WHO. He is one of the most respected and knowledgeable physicians in his field.

It's been a really peculiar phenomenon of this pandemic that the anti restrictions cohort label anybody saying anything they dont like, a quack, or a stooge.

It's a play straight out of the trump and previous propagandists playbook. It is unfortunately very effective too. So many dummies out there, who are easily led and manipulated, start spouting the same bull**** they see Michael O Leary and other vested interests group proclaiming, where a great man like gabriel scally - who only cares about people not dying - is vilified.

Strange world we live in.

KrustyUCC

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Anyone who might run the risk of being fined better have deep pockets.

Why deep pockets?

Current fine is €100