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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    There must be no pandemic in South America at the moment.

    Well it would explain why Brazil is mostly business as usual and the hospitals there are not being overrun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    Well it would explain why Brazil is mostly business as usual and the hospitals there are not being overrun.

    They're running out of oxygen in Manaus, Brazil

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fgraphics%2f2021%2fworld%2fmanaus-amazonas-coronavirus-medical-oxygen-shortage%2f


  • Posts: 220 [Deleted User]


    Tork wrote: »
    it's ironic that RTE and the other media outlets are being blamed for misery porn

    The main headline on RTÉ's website this morning was "No new deaths but NPHET say cases falling more slowly".

    The palpable disappointment in that "but" was immensely revealing.
    HereinBray wrote: »
    Can I ask why you keep stating the phrase in bold please?

    Micheál Martin will be 64 at the next general election. Fianna Fáil are currently on 14.7%. He is unpopular in his parliamentary party and in the country at large, and will leave office next year - handing the Fine Gael leader the Taoiseach's office - as the shortest-serving and most unpopular Taoiseach in the history of the State.

    He has fought three general elections as leader of Fianna Fáil, losing an average of 35 seats each time. Fianna Fáil currently has 38 seats and is currently polling lower than its absolute electoral nadir of 2011, when its leaders in the previous Dáil had included a crook, and an obese guy who turned up drunk on morning radio. It is 50/50 whether Fianna Fáil will manage to elect the 5 TDs necessary to be treated as a political party, with at least one sitting FF TD expressing the opinion that the party is going to cease to exist as a parliamentary force.

    The idea that Micheál Martin is going to be allowed to lead Fianna Fáil into the next election is an absolute fantasy shared by Micheál Martin and pretty much nobody else.

    He can do what he likes this year - and, if Fianna Fáil don't put him out, next - in the knowledge he is never going to have to account for his actions. He is a Zombie Taoiseach.

    The histrionics and conspiracy theorism by the poster "Seamus" in response to your question are beneath contempt and I have blocked the poster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,634 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    seamus wrote: »
    There's a cohort of people who believe this is all a precursor to a neverending state of emergency and the replacement of all democracy in Europe with dictatorships.

    Batsh1t crazy nonsense, in other words.

    You say batsh1t crazy and I agree with you. But that doesnt mean that we will not end up there anyway if only by accident/dynamics.

    Political and socio dynamics are impossible to predict right now. There is a huge camp out there ready to throw in everything in exchange for the illusion of protection/safety. And there are always politicians willing to cash in on stuff like that.

    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.

    I personally believe that if we don't take this chance with the vaccines to extricate ourselves out of this mess we're in for a very nasty long haul.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    India is genuinely hard to explain. The US far less so.
    Some states are under heavy restrictions, others not so much. Collectively though their behaviour is less risky than it has been since the early months of the pandemic.

    My theory on the cases falling globally is that it's not caused by anything to do with the virus itself, but on a massive shared event - Christmas.
    Some countries such as Germany locked down in anticipation of it. Others, as we're all too aware, had a large spike and locked down afterwards.


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    I think this too but if numbers keep dropping over the next week something else has to be at play. Global 7 day average is currently where it was at the middle of October, if this continues to drop over the next two weeks the trend becomes genuinely interesting.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You say batsh1t crazy and I agree with you. But that doesnt mean that we will not end up there anyway if only by accident/dynamics.

    Political and socio dynamics are impossible to predict right now. There is a huge camp out there ready to throw in everything in exchange for the illusion of protection/safety. And there are always politicians willing to cash in on stuff like that.

    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.

    I personally believe that if we don't take this chance with the vaccines to extricate ourselves out of this mess we're in for a very nasty long haul.

    Yes, I agree that we could end up with some of this stuff by accident rather than through a nefarious plan by some sinister organisation in the background


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.
    I respectfully disagree. Just IMHO, but I don't think Europe in particular is in a place where there are fascists poised to take over and lock everyone down as a means of controlling virus spread.

    There are a small number of zealots pushing zero-covid ideas and throwing hysterics about the virus, but from what I can see for the most part these are mostly just misguided people with a tendency to get very worked up about humanitarian issues.

    People, for the most part, accept what they need to do so long as they understand the reason for it. The notion that when everyone is vaccinated, the goalposts will shift, restrictions will persist and people would continue to accept it, is off-the-wall, IMHO.

    One way or another, most restrictions will come to an end this year, and before the end of the summer.

    Some inconsequential ones may remain like wearing a mask on public transport, having to fill out some extra forms when you're travelling abroad or having maximum per-sq.m. occupancy rates indoors.

    But for the most part, restrictions will go, probably because they'll be lifted, but if they're not people will start ignoring them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    You say batsh1t crazy and I agree with you. But that doesnt mean that we will not end up there anyway if only by accident/dynamics.

    Political and socio dynamics are impossible to predict right now. There is a huge camp out there ready to throw in everything in exchange for the illusion of protection/safety. And there are always politicians willing to cash in on stuff like that.

    Things are are in precarious balance atm and could go either way.

    I personally believe that if we don't take this chance with the vaccines to extricate ourselves out of this mess we're in for a very nasty long haul.

    No there isn't. Maybe there are a small vocal few, just like there is a small vocal few who want to open everything up. The vast majority, just want the government to get on with running the country in a sensible manner.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor



    I remember them struggling to play matches there during the World Cup due to the humidity.... so nothing new!


  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    seamus wrote: »
    I respectfully disagree. Just IMHO, but I don't think Europe in particular is in a place where there are fascists poised to take over and lock everyone down as a means of controlling virus spread.

    There are a small number of zealots pushing zero-covid ideas and throwing hysterics about the virus, but from what I can see for the most part these are mostly just misguided people with a tendency to get very worked up about humanitarian issues.

    People, for the most part, accept what they need to do so long as they understand the reason for it. The notion that when everyone is vaccinated, the goalposts will shift, restrictions will persist and people would continue to accept it, is off-the-wall, IMHO.

    One way or another, most restrictions will come to an end this year, and before the end of the summer.

    Some inconsequential ones may remain like wearing a mask on public transport, having to fill out some extra forms when you're travelling abroad or having maximum per-sq.m. occupancy rates indoors.

    But for the most part, restrictions will go, probably because they'll be lifted, but if they're not people will start ignoring them.

    Gabriel Scally is a zero covid zealot, an accepted and recognised part of the establishment, has been comissioned in the past to do reports for the government and is frequently throwing hysterics in the media, he's way out here but still gets airtime and exposure in the media, Martin Feeley loses his job.

    Goalposts have been shifted already, Martin for months spoke about restrictions until we have a vaccine and then the week after the 1st vaccine is approved Holohan states 'a vaccine on it's own is not a solution', it's not hard to understand why people are suspicious.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,053 ✭✭✭D.Q


    OwenM wrote: »
    Gabriel Scally is a zero covid zealot, an accepted and recognised part of the establishment, has been comissioned in the past to do reports for the government and is frequently throwing hysterics in the media, he's way out here but still gets airtime and exposure in the media, Martin Feeley loses his job.

    Goalposts have been shifted already, Martin for months spoke about restrictions until we have a vaccine and then the week after the 1st vaccine is approved Holohan states 'a vaccine on it's own is not a solution', it's not hard to understand why people are suspicious.

    what did you expect? they would remove all restrictions the week the vaccine is approved? The goalposts haven't shifted at all, there was always going to be a logistical struggle involved, and a need for governments to keep populations locked down as these logistics were executed. It was never a case if as soon as there is a vaccine, no restrictions. As soon as everyone (or a critical mass of people) gets the vaccine, then we can think about no restrictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    D.Q wrote: »
    what did you expect? they would remove all restrictions the week the vaccine is approved? The goalposts haven't shifted at all, there was always going to be a logistical struggle involved, and a need for governments to keep populations locked down as these logistics were executed. It was never a case if as soon as there is a vaccine, no restrictions. As soon as everyone (or a critical mass of people) gets the vaccine, then we can think about no restrictions.

    I think most people realise this.
    But not many people thought that restrictions will continue after everybody has been vaccinated (At least everyone who can or wants to be)
    The reasoning and suggestions coming from NPHET and some in government now seem to be suggesting this will be the case.

    Now we may not stay under severe level 5 restrictions but they will not end fully, and I have a feeling we could be in a very similar situation by the time we reach next Christmas to what we just had.
    Vaccinations are not looking like the promised end to this pandemic that many were making it out to be.

    But if it helps reduce deaths and severe illness then that should be the main goal rather than the hope that it will end all restrictions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    13,119 swabs, 771 positive. 5.88%

    7-day up very marginally to 5.53%

    Testing numbers are down about 8% which alone could be enough to account for an increase in positivity. The raw numbers are down.

    Still overall downward for now.

    We might have trouble pushing below 500/day at this rate...BUT we would expect to see vaccines start to make an impact on infections in the very vulnerable and hospital settings by the end of March.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I think most people realise this.
    But not many people thought that restrictions will continue after everybody has been vaccinated (At least everyone who can or wants to be)
    The reasoning and suggestions coming from NPHET and some in government now seem to be suggesting this will be the case.

    Now we may not stay under severe level 5 restrictions but they will not end fully, and I have a feeling we could be in a very similar situation by the time we reach next Christmas to what we just had.
    Vaccinations are not looking like the promised end to this pandemic that many were making it out to be.

    But if it helps reduce deaths and severe illness then that should be the main goal rather than the hope that it will end all restrictions.
    The real problem will be compliance that far into the future. If they are things like masking on public transport and perhaps some limits on certain sectors people might just put up with it but certainly not this. Once deaths, severe cases and hospitalisations have all but gone the rationale for restrictions go with them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    +771 swabs today


  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    D.Q wrote: »
    what did you expect? they would remove all restrictions the week the vaccine is approved? The goalposts haven't shifted at all, there was always going to be a logistical struggle involved, and a need for governments to keep populations locked down as these logistics were executed. It was never a case if as soon as there is a vaccine, no restrictions. As soon as everyone (or a critical mass of people) gets the vaccine, then we can think about no restrictions.

    No, not at all and I don't think your question was entirely sincere, of course a critical mass have to be delivered but exactly what that number looks like is the big question. Personally once group 7 have their vaccines we are done, Pubs and foreign travel open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    seamus wrote: »
    13,119 swabs, 771 positive. 5.88%

    7-day up very marginally to 5.53%

    Testing numbers are down about 8% which alone could be enough to account for an increase in positivity. The raw numbers are down.

    Still overall downward for now.

    We might have trouble pushing below 500/day at this rate...BUT we would expect to see vaccines start to make an impact on infections in the very vulnerable and hospital settings by the end of March.

    Slight reduction from the 817 last Tuesday

    Would have hoped for a bit more progress though

    Tomorrow will tell a lot with the usual Wednesday bump

    Realistically we have until after Easter to get cases lower as the government will only ease construction and schools in March


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Slight reduction from the 817 last Tuesday

    Would have hoped for a bit more progress though

    h


    Hopefully that's the end of the bump from bringing close contacts back in and we see it start to go down again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Slight reduction from the 817 last Tuesday

    Would have hoped for a bit more progress though

    Tomorrow will tell a lot with the usual Wednesday bump

    Realistically we have until after Easter to get cases lower as the government will only ease construction and schools in March

    Another headline today, numbers of construction workers claiming PUP down significantly again week on week, just how many of them will be left to go back when the government say it's ok I wonder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    pc7 wrote: »
    Hopefully that's the end of the bump from bringing close contacts back in and we see it start to go down again.

    Hopefully you're right


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    pc7 wrote: »
    Hopefully that's the end of the bump from bringing close contacts back in and we see it start to go down again.

    Close contact testing was changed again last week so probably likely to impact numbers early this week I'd say. It went from day 5 test to two tests one day 0 one day 10.

    Soon see what the Wednesday bump is like


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    OwenM wrote: »
    Another headline today, numbers of construction workers claiming PUP down significantly again week on week, just how many of them will be left to go back when the government say it's ok I wonder.

    Good question

    Schools are the real priority but the government are getting it in the back about lack of housing supply with restrictions on construction


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,864 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    Well it would explain why Brazil is mostly business as usual and the hospitals there are not being overrun.

    Their 7 day average is higher now than at any time in their winter, as is their death rate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    OwenM wrote: »
    Another headline today, numbers of construction workers claiming PUP down significantly again week on week, just how many of them will be left to go back when the government say it's ok I wonder.

    Construction is already back... based on what I see locally each day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    At the rate it's reducing we'll have under 100 cases in 3 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Construction is already back... based on what I see locally each day.
    At least 40% of it never closed - based on the urgency of the project.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    13,119 swabs, 771 positive. 5.88%

    7-day up very marginally to 5.53%

    Testing numbers are down about 8% which alone could be enough to account for an increase in positivity. The raw numbers are down.

    Still overall downward for now.

    We might have trouble pushing below 500/day at this rate...BUT we would expect to see vaccines start to make an impact on infections in the very vulnerable and hospital settings by the end of March.


    BUT we would expect to see vaccines start to make an impact on infections in the very vulnerable and hospital settings by the end of March


    I never understand this.

    As of now the vaccinated are still mostly in lockdown, it won't be until we open up that we really know how good the vaccines are.

    Israel only began to relax restrictions from the 7th Feb, and even then they are still wearing masks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    BUT we would expect to see vaccines start to make an impact on infections in the very vulnerable and hospital settings by the end of March


    I never understand this.

    As of now the vaccinated are still mostly in lockdown, it won't be until we open up that we really know how good the vaccines are.

    Israel only began to relax restrictions from the 7th Feb, and even then they are still wearing masks.

    Hospital numbers and deaths from this group make up most of the reported numbers, once they are vaccinated you will a massive drop in hospital numbers and future deaths.
    It's all ready happening in Israel


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Bit disappointing numbers really. It's a higher positivity than same day last week and you'd hope to see that getting lower.

    I know there were on about clusters in students and meat factories yesterday so hopefully it's all due to that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    titan18 wrote: »
    Bit disappointing numbers really. It's a higher positivity than same day last week and you'd hope to see that getting lower.

    I know there were on about clusters in students and meat factories yesterday so hopefully it's all due to that.

    I think we're getting back to the sort of numbers now where things like the above can start to skew things a little.

    I know cases are cases in the end of the day.


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