Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

is_that_so

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AKA proper level 5.

As most cases are either at work or in homes two weeks of total shutdown should work as a fire break. No leaving your home other than to the shop to buy groceries by one person. Nothing moves other than those in medical front line or getting vaccination.

Do we all get a free whip for self-flagellation as well? The UK tried fire breaks, they don't work.

TonyMaloney

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AKA proper level 5.

As most cases are either at work or in homes two weeks of total shutdown should work as a fire break. No leaving your home other than to the shop to buy groceries by one person. Nothing moves other than those in medical front line or getting vaccination.

It's really not a mad idea at all, but it would really want to happen about now. Prior to schools returning.

daydorunrun

Arduach wrote: »

Most of the world is in lockdown. I'd say that one major factor.

Europe maybe, but some hugely populated places like India and South America are experiencing downturns even though lockdowns are hard to implement there.
Perhaps the virus is going through its natural cycle- changing, herd immunity maybe even weakening?
With all mankind’s manoeuvring and attempted control maybe Mother Nature will give us the ultimate dig out?

Harry Palmr

re TonyMaloney

Exactly, there's a small window to move in and obviously it'll never happen and this will dribble on for months with no lifting of the "joke" level 5 until God knows when. This morning one of NPHET mentioned cases still being in 300-400 range at end of March I think. That's a total failure

CalamariFritti

TonyMaloney wrote: »

It's really not a mad idea at all, but it would really want to happen about now. Prior to schools returning.

The thing is people dont think that through to the end.

There are a lot of things going on all the time that are essential as in essential. Which requires quite a lot of people to leave their homes.

Jinglejangle69

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AKA proper level 5.

As most cases are either at work or in homes two weeks of total shutdown should work as a fire break. No leaving your home other than to the shop to buy groceries by one person. Nothing moves other than those in medical front line or getting vaccination.

It's amazing the amount of cars in the roads and M50.

Nothing like the same lockdown last March.

Doubt cases will drop much more in the next few weeks unless people actually stay at home.

Jinglejangle69

CalamariFritti wrote: »

The thing is people dont think that through to the end.

There are a lot of things going on all the time that are essential as in essential. Which requires quite a lot of people to leave their homes.

Yeah like last March.

This time around people are out and about driving for no essential reason.

is_that_so

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It's amazing the amount of cars in the roads and M50.

Nothing like the same lockdown last March.

Doubt cases will drop much more in the next few weeks unless people actually stay at home.

We are nudging a lot closer to compliance falling away so they won't.

SEPT 23 1989

Not that I agree with it but

Apart from online and some retail the rest of the economy that was open last year has ground to a halt over the last month and a half

Two weeks of total shutdown wouldn't do too much more damage

CalamariFritti

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah like last March.

This time around people are out and about driving for no essential reason.

But people who have these 'easy' ideas like everybody just stays at home for two weeks only think from here to there.

You still need someone working in your power plant, police station, fire brigade, telecom centre, farm, general supply chain, a ton of other things. When you spend a little time thinking you'd be amazed how many things cant just be left alone for two weeks.

UsBus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AKA proper level 5.

As most cases are either at work or in homes two weeks of total shutdown should work as a fire break. No leaving your home other than to the shop to buy groceries by one person. Nothing moves other than those in medical front line or getting vaccination.

For Dublin maybe. The rest of the country is suffering for the continuously high numbers there. Most counties should be opening up in March. Completely unfair to have a county locked down for 5 -10 cases. If it was any other county apart from Dublin, I imagine a regional lockdown would be happening.

bennyl10

CalamariFritti wrote: »

But people who have these 'easy' ideas like everybody just stays at home for two weeks only think from here to there.

You still need someone working in your power plant, police station, fire brigade, telecom centre, farm, general supply chain, a ton of other things. When you spend a little time thinking you'd be amazed how many things cant just be left alone for two weeks.

Can we not just do exact same that Was open in March?

If you were closed in lockdown one you close now.

There’s clearly a lot more activity at this point than then

Harry Palmr

UsBus wrote: »

For Dublin maybe. The rest of the country is suffering for the continuously high numbers there. Most counties should be opening up in March. Completely unfair to have a county locked down for 5 -10 cases. If it was any other county apart from Dublin, I imagine a regional lockdown would be happening.

I think NPHET (or maybe the Dept of Health) have decided there will be no more regional lockdowns. Expect they think it causes resentment.

Speaking of whom isn't there supposed to be a media briefing tonight?

jams100

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It's amazing the amount of cars in the roads and M50.

Nothing like the same lockdown last March.

Doubt cases will drop much more in the next few weeks unless people actually stay at home.

We've been hearing that for weeks and cases keep falling (albeit slowly).
It's not sustainable to just keep saying stay at home, there is minimum risk from going for a walk on the beach with a friend/family member or going for a game of golf.

We need restrictions that are sustainable for the medium to longer term rather than the easy generic stay at home message.

I have the feeling that no politician will speak up since what happened at Christmas and the country is essentially being run by nphet. (And just to clarify I'm not suggesting to open restaurants/pubs, hairdressers etc.) But, where there is evidence of limited to no spread, those activities should be encouraged.

Speaking personally my physical health has definitely gotten poorer since gyms, football pitches and golf clubs closed. Its hard to find motivation to do any physical exercise anymore. I'm sure I'm not alone in that feeling.

Widdensushi

Good that ye are having this debate today, hopefully a nice drop tomorrow, any talk of tougher restrictions will only lead to more widespread disobedience of the current rules.

CalamariFritti

bennyl10 wrote: »

Can we not just do exact same that Was open in March?

If you were closed in lockdown one you close now.

There’s clearly a lot more activity at this point than then

What do you expect? Its been 4 months of level 5 now (with a short break). Do you really think that toughening restrictions at this point is in any way a flyer?

SCOOP 64

bennyl10 wrote: »

Can we not just do exact same that Was open in March?

If you were closed in lockdown one you close now.

There’s clearly a lot more activity at this point than then

Very true, alot of places now open that were lockdown in march as where i work, but if you get a call to be in work as normal what can you do.

bennyl10

CalamariFritti wrote: »

What do you expect? Its been 4 months of level 5 now (with a short break). Do you really think that toughening restrictions at this point is in any way a flyer?

It’s gonna be extended anyway

Why not do a 2 week hard close?

UsBus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think NPHET (or maybe the Dept of Health) have decided there will be no more regional lockdowns. Expect they think it causes resentment.

Speaking of whom isn't there supposed to be a media briefing tonight?

Well if there were to be a county specific lockdown, the county affected could see the other counties progress in returning to some level of opening and have a goal to aim for. At the moment everyone is on the move because they can get away with it and they don't see anything on the horizon. The current policy is a farce.

KrustyUCC

Harry Palmr wrote: »

AKA proper level 5.

As most cases are either at work or in homes two weeks of total shutdown should work as a fire break. No leaving your home other than to the shop to buy groceries by one person. Nothing moves other than those in medical front line or getting vaccination.

Right so how would you enforce that?

Even shutting down everything in the economy back costing hundreds of millions minimum, what happens after the two weeks if caees haven't fallen enough?

As is always the case shutting down is easy, reopening is much harder

The government wouldn't bring back all those open now at one time

Always_Running

This week compared to last week

252 less cases
627 less positive swabs
39 less reported deaths
213 less in hospital

KrustyUCC

bennyl10 wrote: »

It’s gonna be extended anyway

Why not do a 2 week hard close?

It wouldn't only be two weeks though

TonyMaloney

Always_Running wrote: »

This week compared to last week

252 less cases
627 less positive swabs
39 less reported deaths
213 less in hospital

Mod Snip - none of the grammar nazism please

CalamariFritti

bennyl10 wrote: »

It’s gonna be extended anyway

Why not do a 2 week hard close?

Because there is no such thing as a hard close. See what I said above about the things that are really essential and cant just be left alone for 2 weeks.

Granted some of the things going on aren't strictly speaking essential, but its actually been proven by study that anything after hospitality like non essential retail, outdoor activities, 5km, curfews never made any real difference. It's just for the message and the shock effect, we had a European health minister openly admitting as much.

ceadaoin.

bennyl10 wrote: »

It’s gonna be extended anyway

Why not do a 2 week hard close?

Where has this mythical "hard close" ever actually worked? Let alone a 2 week one. And then what?

Ficheall

CalamariFritti wrote: »

but its actually been proven by study that anything after hospitality like non essential retail, outdoor activities, 5km, curfews never made any real difference

Have you a link to this?

Harry Palmr

Media briefing at 7.30

Jasper79

UsBus wrote: »

For Dublin maybe. The rest of the country is suffering for the continuously high numbers there. Most counties should be opening up in March. Completely unfair to have a county locked down for 5 -10 cases. If it was any other county apart from Dublin, I imagine a regional lockdown would be happening.

what is your issue with Dublin? Offaly and Monaghan are higher per 100,000. And not a whole lot of different for most counties. Top 7 over 300 cases per 100,000.

CalamariFritti

Ficheall wrote: »

Have you a link to this?

Its been a while since I read about them - here is one of those: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338

shinzon

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Media briefing at 7.30

Is that the normal Thursday Briefing or Meehole at the Podium job

Shin