Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Jinglejangle69

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Because there is no such thing as a hard close. See what I said above about the things that are really essential and cant just be left alone for 2 weeks.

Granted some of the things going on aren't strictly speaking essential, but its actually been proven by study that anything after hospitality like non essential retail, outdoor activities, 5km, curfews never made any real difference. It's just for the message and the shock effect, we had a European health minister openly admitting as much.

I know exactly what you are saying.

How did we get the numbers down to single digits last April if its the same lockdown as now?

boardise

shinzon wrote: »

Is that the normal Thursday Briefing or Meehole at the Podium job

Shin

Why not toon in and fine doubt ?:D

Boar

CalamariFritti

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I know exactly what you are saying.

How did we get the numbers down to single digits last April if its the same lockdown as now?

I could make a lot of money if I knew that.

I think to a large extent the situation a year ago is not comparable with now. But when it comes down to it I'd say a year ago we missed an unbelievable amount of positives whereas now we're only missing a large amount of positives.

Its also quite possible that there actually is a seasonal element to this. And we entered the covid game last year at the tail end of the season. Whereas this time we got the full of it. Who knows.

Just keep in mind the WHO thinks that the real number of positives is ten times higher than the reported cases globally. Its not like we may have missed 20% of the positives or so. Its more like orders of magnitude stuff.

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I could make a lot of money if I knew that.

I think to a large extent the situation a year ago is not comparable with now. But when it comes down to it I'd say a year ago we missed an unbelievable amount of positives whereas now we're only missing a large amount of positives.

Its also quite possible that there actually is a seasonal element to this. And we entered the covid game last year at the tail end of the season. Whereas this time we got the full of it. Who knows.

Just keep in mind the WHO thinks that the real numbers of positives is ten times higher than the reported cases globally. Its not like we may have missed 20% of the positives or so. Its more like orders of magnitude stuff.

Globally. Probably about 3x in Ireland. Based in death rates. Many places have not tested near the numbers we have

spookwoman

CalamariFritti

Deleted User wrote: »

Globally. Probably about 3x in Ireland. Based in death rates. Many places have not tested near the numbers we have

Probably? Possibly?

You might as well roll some dice in my opinion.

Since we stubbornly refuse to do regular representative testing we will never know.

Even the death rates wont tell us anything. There is from covid and with covid, there is the effect of lockdown on other deaths. The flu has miraculously disappeared. So many factors at play. Who knows.

brookers

shinzon wrote: »

Is that the normal Thursday Briefing or Meehole at the Podium job

Shin

"Meehole", it is about as funny as the bread jokes when there is talk of snow.

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Probably? Possibly?

You might as well roll some dice in my opinion.

Since we stubbornly refuse to do regular representative testing we will never know.

Even the death rates wont tell us anything. There is from covid and with covid, there is the effect of lockdown on other deaths. The flu has miraculously disappeared. So many factors at play. Who knows.

0.6%. That’s where all the studies in western societies trend towards. As for the from Covid with Covid sh*te

Ohmeha

Dublin LEA numbers demonstrating identical socio-economic patterns from the previous Level 5 lockdown seen between late October to end of November. Incidence currently 6 times higher in Ballymun-Finglas compared to the Blackrock/Dun Laoghaire corner of the city

BALLYMUN-FINGLAS LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 451 11.36% 819.9 269.3 55,010
BLANCHARDSTOWN-MULHUDDART LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 214 -19.85% 606.1 269.3 35,307
TALLAGHT SOUTH LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 184 10.84% 518.8 269.3 35,465
BALLYFERMOT-DRIMNAGH LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 228 -4.60% 494.9 269.3 46,068
ARTANE-WHITEHALL LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 245 -3.16% 478.9 269.3 51,156
PALMERSTOWN-FONTHILL LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 174 -23.35% 457.5 269.3 38,035
NORTH INNER CITY LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 284 -19.77% 446.5 269.3 63,612
LUCAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 147 -20.54% 439.8 269.3 33,421
TALLAGHT CENTRAL LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 186 6.29% 430.4 269.3 43,215
SWORDS LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 206 5.64% 401.0 269.3 51,370
CLONDALKIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 185 14.91% 397.7 269.3 46,520
KIMMAGE-RATHMINES LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 215 18.78% 384.9 269.3 55,861
SOUTH WEST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 157 -6.55% 370.8 269.3 42,344
ONGAR LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 132 6.45% 368.4 269.3 35,834
CABRA-GLASNEVIN LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 212 -8.62% 361.5 269.3 58,652
BALBRIGGAN LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 129 -17.31% 352.7 269.3 36,570
DONAGHMEDE LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 145 -17.14% 348.6 269.3 41,593
FIRHOUSE-BOHERNABREENA LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 115 -7.26% 336.2 269.3 34,202
CLONTARF LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 160 1.91% 295.3 269.3 54,182
RUSH-LUSK LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 101 -15.83% 291.3 269.3 34,674
KILLINEY-SHANKILL LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 107 10.31% 281.0 269.3 38,082
SOUTH EAST INNER CITY LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 113 -20.42% 278.3 269.3 40,603
CASTLEKNOCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 127 -8.63% 275.3 269.3 46,126
HOWTH-MALAHIDE LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 126 -11.89% 224.4 269.3 56,139
DUNDRUM LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 74 -1.33% 197.6 269.3 37,452
RATHFARNHAM-TEMPLEOGUE LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 93 -17.70% 194.1 269.3 47,909
STILLORGAN LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 53 -19.70% 173.7 269.3 30,508
PEMBROKE LEA-5, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 77 -25.96% 169.3 269.3 45,473
GLENCULLEN-SANDYFORD LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 62 -7.46% 169.3 269.3 36,622
DÚN LAOGHAIRE LEA-7, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 56 -61.64% 134.5 269.3 41,627
BLACKROCK LEA-6, DUBLIN 02/02/21 to 15/02/21 45 -48.28% 133.4 269.3 33,727

Jim_Hodge

brookers wrote: »

"Meehole", it is about as funny as the bread jokes when there is talk of snow.

And as funny as constantly referring to him as, "Meehole".

pjohnson

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And as funny as constantly referring to him as, "Meehole".

I just thought it was dyslexia or some other issue causing that. Is it meant to be a joke?

Arghus

There's still an ongoing improvement, but the rate of decline is definitely slowing is the nutshell summation of what Nolan is saying.

Stheno

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1362488157481140234?s=19

Not good news for schools

pjohnson

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1362488157481140234?s=19

Not good news for schools

Its universities causing outbreaks moreso than schools.

Turtwig

Nolan said they're now projecting 200-300 cases per day by Mid March.

peasant

Always_Running wrote: »

This week compared to last week

252 less cases
627 less positive swabs
39 less reported deaths
213 less in hospital

last week: British variant B.1.1.7 at 70% of cases
this week: B.1.1.7at 90%

Variant B.1.1.7 potentially 56% more infective and 65% more deadly than the the initial form of the virus.

Make another mistake of opening too much / too soon like at Christmas (where B.1.1.7. was estimated to be at < 20%) and we could be in big trouble.

JRant

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Does anyone disagree with Ryan here?

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1362354372299096065?s=20

What exactly does he want?
If he expects any government, elected by the citizens to look after that countries best interests, to give away vaccines for their own people then he's smoking crack.

Europe is one of the richest regions on the planet and even we can't get enough vaccines for our most vulnerable at the moment. We've also agreed to send vaccines to developing nations as they become available but that should not come at the expenses of european citizens. As a block we've ponied up a truly eye watering amount of money to find development and production of many vaccines.

wadacrack

at this rate any with compliance likely to decline each week, we need seasonality to play a role

CalamariFritti

Deleted User wrote: »

0.6%. That’s where all the studies in western societies trend towards. As for the from Covid with Covid sh*te

Hold on a sec. I didnt mean from/with in a covid-denier kind of way.

I do understand with covid. When you have someone very old and/or with co-morbidities there probably is no clear cut death cause. So they decided to overreport rather than underreport. No issue with that.

But within all that how do you keep it all apart and make any kind of interpolations from the death numbers? I know mentioning from/with is frowned upon but it is a very real thing all the same and it has an influence on your numbers and statistics. Again then there is the disappearance of the flu.

So many factors at play...

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

...Hello Hynesie08

just to reply to your accusations that I was lying. I cannot pick up the 2 quotes but No 1. was that I said I had travelled from Louth to Limerick plenty of times and told the Gardai at any checkpoint I met why. Each time I was wished well and waved through to continue on my journey. This is the truth.

No 2. another poster asked if I had seen my siblings through this time when I was saying I hadn't (based on my trips to Limerick to see my daughter). No I didn't, this is also the truth.

My daughter in Limerick had a premature delivery of her 2nd baby along with post natal depression after it. She also had an 18 month old at the time. A month before the birth they all got Covid 19. So yes I was allowed visit her, she was in my bubble, she was a vulnerable family member and I was helping with my 2 grandchildren.

I did not see any of my 6 siblings and have not since last year. Its been a long time. I can visit my daughter because she is in my bubble. I cannot visit my siblings as they all live too far away.
This is all stuff I shouldn't even have to defend here, it derails threads and take time to try and find those posts you even referred to.





To be honest I find it disturbing and bizarre that someone would trawl through my posting history to accuse me of lying???? Is this because I said things are much more open in New York? That's wasn't a lie either. I don't tell lies. What is the point, I'm not trying to impress anyone?

You really don't know the state of mind or anyone who is posting here. You post in such a bitter way, accusing a total random poster of lying. Boards is a toxic place to be these days. I hope its only a sign of the stress people are under and I would appeal for people to be kinder to each other. People should be able to have different opinions without being called liars.

I just don't get it, I have had a pretty bad week (my 86 year old mother has Covid in her nursing home) . It took me the afternoon and a swim in the sea to feel right again.

I hope you have a nice evening and you were just having a bad day.

You shouldn’t even have to defend yourself sweetmaggie. It’s actually shocking that you feel you have to and I think most reasonable people will agree. I actually feel like screenshotting your post just to show people in a few years time the lengths people had to go to in order to defend such natural behaviours. The post your quoting and the lengths you’ve gone to defend yourself will serve as evidence of how people completely lost their minds when it came to this.

Turtwig

wadacrack wrote: »

at this rate any with compliance likely to decline each week, we need seasonality to play a role

Very little to suggest seasonality has an impact on this virus. Hopefully vaccination can pick up the slack and provide the necessary boost.

titan18

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Does anyone disagree with Ryan here?

https://twitter.com/GeneKerrigan/status/1362354372299096065?s=20

Ya, I disagree. More deaths in the richer countries, it's had a larger effect here and our taxes would be paying for the vaccines for poorer countries so they can wait.

If people want to virtue signal on vaccines, they can opt out

Arghus

peasant wrote: »

last week: British variant B.1.1.7 at 70% of cases
this week: B.1.1.7at 90%

Variant B.1.1.7 potentially 56% more infective and 65% more deadly than the the initial form of the virus.

Make another mistake of opening too much / too soon like at Christmas (where B.1.1.7. was estimated to be at < 20%) and we could be in big trouble.

The penny still hasn't dropped for many that the relative increased infectiousness of the B.1.1.7. makes the prospect of opening up far riskier than what we were dealing with prior to January.

wadacrack

I'm not sure we can really do anything regarding restrictions with this new variant until a large proportion are vaccinated.

TonyMaloney

wadacrack wrote: »

I'm not sure we can really do anything regarding restrictions with this new variant until a large proportion are vaccinated.

We've three options as I see it

1. Continue as we are (or very close to it) until vaccines start making a huge dent in the numbers

2. Toughen restrictions somehow

3. Slowly open up anyways. Risk another hospital crisis.

It looks like no.2 isn't being countenanced.

I reckon we'll try for 1 but end up with 3

Boggerman12

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, I disagree. More deaths in the richer countries, it's had a larger effect here and our taxes would be paying for the vaccines for poorer countries so they can wait.

If people want to virtue signal on vaccines, they can opt out

When gene Kerrigan is promoting this then I’m out.

TheDoctor

Turtwig wrote: »

Very little to suggest seasonality has an impact on this virus. Hopefully vaccination can pick up the slack and provide the necessary boost.

What?

Loads suggests seasonality has an effect

is_that_so

TonyMaloney wrote: »

We've three options as I see it

1. Continue as we are (or very close to it) until vaccines start making a huge dent in the numbers

2. Toughen restrictions somehow

3. Slowly open up anyways. Risk another hospital crisis.

It looks like no.2 isn't being countenanced.

I reckon we'll try for 1 but end up with 3

Two will not work now, as it depends on continued compliance which just cannot be taken for granted. 1&3 would be more likely options.

bazermc

Very late for briefing to be on.

Turtwig

bazermc wrote: »

Very late for briefing to be on.

It's the preshow before Percy.