Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

robbiezero

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I have no idea. Does not make sense.

Government and NPHET are like a blind man making his way through a bog.
Just fumbling and feeling their way through and falling in a hole at every step.

Got it wrong at the start of the pandemic when they hadn't a clue what they were dealing with it (can't really fault them at that stage in fairness, no one knew)
Got it wrong by locking down far too long during the summer unnecessarily, but also crucially, using up all their "Emergency" language on being "gravely concerned" at a handful of cases in that period which left no mechanism for them to communicate the urgency of the situation in the middle of December.

Locked Down to Level 5 far too quickly in November.
Opened up too much in December, ridiculous lack of restrictions on incoming visitors, and of course the customary atrocious communication.

At this point, the blind man just sits down and decides to wait it out until someone comes to get him, i.e. the vaccinations for the Government and NPHET.

Arghus

I regurgitate the news wrote: »

I will be saying fcuk it and am encouraging all my friend and family to socialise and ignore this garbage.

We only get one life and it is for living.

I am not stopping driving my car because of road deaths and I am no longer adhering to nonsense because of a virus. I'll take my chances and anyone who doesn't want to should stay indoors until they get the vaccine.

Off with you so bro.

But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

Stheno

titan18 wrote: »

You also have to factor in that whilst we might be complying, there's a bunch who aren't and getting feck all punishment for it but we're all being collectively punished as a result. Those people are getting their mental breaks and more and the rest of suffer. So, why should we anymore is something that is fine to ask imo.

Nah I'm not buying that argument

Much and all as I can't stand these restrictions, the more compliance there is the sooner it ends tbh

KrustyUCC

Arghus wrote: »

But the Catch 22 of the situation is if people don't comply then cases increase and restrictions just go on and on and on indefinitely. People here seem to totally to not take into account that less compliance and more mixing only prolongs the situation by increasing the incidence rate of the virus in the community. Some people on here are in total denial about reality. The situation won't be improved by more people picking the virus up.

It’s not about the government trying to "give something back" - they tried that in December and look where we ended up.

People were sick of restrictions then, but it made no difference, the virus still spread like crazy and we had to shut down all over again with even greater strictness.

"Ah people need to stop complying" - I read that again and again. And what will that prove? All that will happen is more cases, hospitalisations and deaths and further delays to the vaccination programme and a ultimately longer and more damaging period of strict restrictions. It's totally counterproductive.

yes that's the catch 22 in this all

You might keep people on board if there was an actual plan for reopening but there's not

Ah sure we have a plan but no dates

We have a plan but we won't tell you what's needed to ease restrictions

That's no plan at all

It's just stay at home, see nobody and here's another month extension again

The government is asking too much of people but also giving people nothing to work towards really

The messaging is all doom, gloom, pessimism

Whilst there is always a chance you can catch covid anywhere people will begin to take calculated chance

I keep referencing my friends who if they kept following the restrictions wouldn't see his partners from 20th December to say May Bank Holiday if the leaks from RTE is to be believed

That's 135 days or 19 weeks and 2 days of not seeing each other

Not going to have much of a relationship if you don't see each other for that length of time

Instead they're going to meet up on the 5th of March which is the next date for the extension of restrictions

I can't blame them

Not seeing each other for 76 days or 10 weeks and 6 days is bad enough

Especially with no end in sight

jams100

manniot2 wrote: »

No doubt an opinion poll soon saying 70% support lockdown until May. What a sick country.

Yea, I don't know how its that high, whenever I've talked to my friends or anyone in work they say they are fed up and just want to (sensibly) get on with life.

I imagine how they ask/phrase the question has something to do with it, For example if you point out the number of deaths in the previous question and then ask do you agree with "restrictions" in a survey where people are in a flow of clicking through questions your more likely to get an answer in one direction. I have gone through surveys like this before, the questions generally aren't specific enough either, some of the questions can be quite vague and would lead most people towards the safer answers

Still, wouldn't totally explain how they are as high. Anyway, I'll be getting on with life sensibly from March on

Turtwig

titan18 wrote: »

You also have to factor in that whilst we might be complying, there's a bunch who aren't and getting feck all punishment for it but we're all being collectively punished as a result. Those people are getting their mental breaks and more and the rest of suffer. So, why should we anymore is something that is fine to ask imo.

Yep the feeling of equity is really important. It's not one bit fair that the actions of a minority have quite possibly fcked over the quality of life of the majority for months. The question is whether the majority would support more punitive measures against those that were taking the piss and not respecting any of the measures to contain the virus.

titan18

Stheno wrote: »

Nah I'm not buying that argument

Much and all as I can't stand these restrictions, the more compliance there is the sooner it ends tbh

I thought that last year. ATM, I don't think this will ever end with our shambles of a government. We get cases down and they just ask for it be lower before they do anything.

I've complied plenty up to now, even on the periods where restrictions were lessened, I didn't do anything different to when they were there.

We still have clusters from the groups of people not taking this seriously and we see feck all punishment for them.

At this stage, I'm mentally done with it.

Doctor Jimbob

Arghus wrote: »

Off with you so bro.

But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

It's going on and on regardless of what people do. We're only in February and MM is already suggesting we might not he able to get haircuts until June. Is it any wonder people are tuning out?

I regurgitate the news

Arghus wrote: »

Off with you so bro.

But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

Nothing as permanent as a temporary government measure.

Once you accept that this is going to go on forever you can move on with your life and enjoy it while you are alive.

Your job in the future will be trying to convince the ever growing number of people like me that we should listen to politicians and the media. Good luck with that.

TonyMaloney

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Tony, You lost me there. What do you mean about smartphones?

Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.

CalamariFritti

Arghus wrote: »

Off with you so bro.

But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

I dont know Arghus. The way I see it it will be going on and on and on anyway. In this mirror interview MM spoke about end of Q2 before anything tangible happens. And even for that he puts so many caveats in. We're talking about the middle of the summer here. Today is Feb18. This is just not going to work.

retro:electro

How are they going to justify strict level 5 in May when cases could be -100, ICU figures in the 20s or 30s and hospital figures -100 plus mass vaccination.
I’m starting to feel really hopeless now. This is very depressing.

niallo27

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.

You do realise people can turn this off on their phones right.

spookwoman

TonyMaloney wrote: »

wow, thanks

I may have a couple of questions though

From the 11/01/2021 was when they really started to break down the deaths per months consistently. 109 deaths reported between the 1st and 10th of jan

robbiezero

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Sorry. Just that mobility data, gathered by smartphone use, shows no real drop in compliance worth mentioning.

Actually, that's not true. I've just rechecked, and we let ourselves down in the supermarkets over the weekend there. Everything else is pretty flat.

Seems there has been some people returning to the workplace as the weeks went by, but we're talking very small numbers.

I've just realised you never asked for a full mobility report breakdown, but I've typed it out now.

How did WE do that?

CalamariFritti

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise people can turn this off on their phones right.

I dont think they can. There is always mobile phone mast triangulation. People would actually have to leave their phone at home or take the battery out where possible. I dont think people can actually do that anymore, they may as well get an implant.

Arghus

daydorunrun wrote: »

Yep, you are right. But people can only take so much and I’m beyond twitching the curtain at partners or family that haven’t seen each other in ages meeting up. I hear people complaining about kids hanging around together- but Seriously how long do we expect them to hide away? It’s just not right. I just hope people can use their heads while doing so.

There is a limit to what people can take. But people felt at their limit in December and then they got a rude awakening and it turns out they can take more after all.

But, I'm being honest, and it's only my experience, people are still by and large putting up with it. Obviously everyone is fed up at some level, but Boards is the only place I come across this level of frustration. It is a place that is built for people to vent and what you read here gives a skewed opinion on how society as a whole is reacting to things.

Of course there's loads of depression and negativity - why wouldn't there be, given what is happening - out there as well, but, all things considered and on balance, I'm often struck by how resilient society is in the face of this.

Gael23

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes that's possible

It's also possible that such a strategy will lose the compliance of a lot of people along the way

That's 5 months minimum of not seeing friends, family, partners within counties not to mind in other counties

The restrictions might not have changed but a lot of people won't comply for that long imo

I’ll be seeing my grandparents as soon as they get the vaccine, most likely by Easter

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

Off with you so bro.

But don't be complaining if it goes on and on and on.

As if makes one bit of difference, it will go on and on anyway. **** that it's time to go back having a bit of life.

Arghus

I regurgitate the news wrote: »

Nothing as permanent as a temporary government measure.

Once you accept that this is going to go on forever you can move on with your life and enjoy it while you are alive.

Your job in the future will be trying to convince the ever growing number of people like me that we should listen to politicians and the media. Good luck with that.

To be honest, I've gone well past believing that anyone can convince anyone of anything on here.

I write to entertain myself as much as anything else at this stage.

mcburns07

Arghus wrote: »

There is a limit to what people can take. But people felt at their limit in December and then they got a rude awakening and it turns out they can take more after all.

But, I'm being honest, and it's only my experience, people are still by and large putting up with it. Obviously everyone is fed up at some level, but Boards is the only place I come across this level of frustration. It is a place that is built for people to vent and what you read here gives a skewed opinion on how society as a whole is reacting to things.

Of course there's loads of depression and negativity - why wouldn't there be, given what is happening - out there as well, but, all things considered and on balance, I'm often struck by how resilient society is in the face of this.

Or maybe it’s a lot easier to vent on an anonymous Internet forum? People are nearly always more moderate when expressing their views publicly.

TonyMaloney

robbiezero wrote: »

How did WE do that?

I don't know about you, Robbie, but I did a full shop in Aldi on Saturday, and ended up back in Dunnes on Sunday morning for more nappies and again that evening for more wine.

Sorry everyone, I've let you, the mobility statistics and worst of all myself down

TonyMaloney

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise people can turn this off on their phones right.

What? No they can't.

h2005

If this does carry on until May, where does that place us in terms of a level 5 lockdown? Has any other country been locked down to the extent we have with this?

TonyMaloney

Gael23 wrote: »

I’ll be seeing my grandparents as soon as they get the vaccine, most likely by Easter

remember to give time for the shot to work

jams100

h2005 wrote: »

If this does carry on until May, where does that place us in terms of a level 5 lockdown? Has any other country been locked down to the extent we have with this?

May 2021 or May 2022

TonyMaloney

Arghus wrote: »

To be honest, I've gone well past believing that anyone can convince anyone of anything on here.

I write to entertain myself as much as anything else at this stage.

If you ever grow tired of the essential retail racket, I think you've probably got a good book in you

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

There is a limit to what people can take. But people felt at their limit in December and then they got a rude awakening and it turns out they can take more after all.

But, I'm being honest, and it's only my experience, people are still by and large putting up with it. Obviously everyone is fed up at some level, but Boards is the only place I come across this level of frustration. It is a place that is built for people to vent and what you read here gives a skewed opinion on how society as a whole is reacting to things.

Of course there's loads of depression and negativity - why wouldn't there be, given what is happening - out there as well, but, all things considered and on balance, I'm often struck by how resilient society is in the face of this.

I'm the opposite, most people I meet are frustrated as hell. I have been meeting people in work though, I presume its different for people wfh who are used to been hidden away from the world at the stage and are terrified of this disease.

I regurgitate the news

jams100 wrote: »

May 2021 or May 2022

Once people realise it is never going to stop, the ones that believed the propaganda are really going to be in for a rude awakening.

The realisation that you've been lied to will be hard to take.

If you go in with the mindset that politicians lie and the state broadcaster does what the politicians want them to do things become a little easier to understand.

The vaccines will never end. You'll need another one for another strain and another lockdown for something new in a few months or years.

We are really going into a bad place financially very very soon. People have not grasped the ramifications of funding the handouts by printing money. They will definitely understand this in the next few years.

Will be interesting to see how much people care for someone's granny on the news once that reality hits

niallo27

TonyMaloney wrote: »

What? No they can't.

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

"Insights in these reports are created with aggregated, anonymized sets of data from users who have turned on the Location History setting, which is off by default. People who have Location History turned on can choose to turn it off at any time from their Google Account and can always delete Location History data directly from their Timeline"


No if I believe they still don't track you, thats a different question.