Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Doctor Jimbob

is_that_so wrote: »

There is no simple answer to all of this. Travel inwards is not really the problem even if Christmas magnified it. It has always been socialising and community spread. Most of what you're demanding here is beyond any laws we have, never mind far closer to what the Chinese did. It's also a surefire way to lose support of the public.

Travel inwards is obviously a problem. If the virus couldn't get into the country it wouldn't be able to spread. Fines and potential prison for travellers, hospitality being closed for months, amd not being able to travel more than 5km from our homes are also all far beyond what we've ever had but they're all happening right now. I'd argue the 5km is much more in line with what the Chinese did than anything I'm suggesting.

I'd prefer a short spell of extreme restrictions to month after month of the slightly less extreme restrictions we have now. I'd imagine plenty feel similarly.

is_that_so

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Travel inwards is obviously a problem. If the virus couldn't get into the country it wouldn't be able to spread. Fines and potential prison for travellers, hospitality being closed for months, amd not being able to travel more than 5km from our homes are also all far beyond what we've ever had but they're all happening right now. I'd argue the 5km is much more in line with what the Chinese did than anything I'm suggesting.

I'd prefer a short spell of extreme restrictions to month after month of the slightly less extreme restrictions we have now. I'd imagine plenty feel similarly.

The virus getting into the country may be travel, it will still get in anyway. The virus spreading is behaviours. I don't think anyone likes this but I don't believe in the short sharp shock. At our present levels that is a whole longer than 2-3 weeks and it just gives people false hope. I think we may see the government forced to reduce restrictions as compliance levels start to fall. Other posters have suggested Easter will be where things turn and I think that is quite probable.

Vicxas

I wouldn't mind May if i could go to the other end of the county without the gardai asking me where I'm going.

There's only so much you can do and see within 5km...

opinionated3

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Travel inwards is obviously a problem. If the virus couldn't get into the country it wouldn't be able to spread. Fines and potential prison for travellers, hospitality being closed for months, amd not being able to travel more than 5km from our homes are also all far beyond what we've ever had but they're all happening right now. I'd argue the 5km is much more in line with what the Chinese did than anything I'm suggesting.

I'd prefer a short spell of extreme restrictions to month after month of the slightly less extreme restrictions we have now. I'd imagine plenty feel similarly.

Travel counts for 0.03% of cases. Hardly the iceberg our Titanic is floundering on.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

The virus getting into the country may be travel, it will still get in anyway. The virus spreading is behaviours. I don't think anyone likes this but I don't believe in the short sharp shock. At our present levels that is a whole longer than 2-3 weeks and it just gives people false hope. I think we may see the government forced to reduce restrictions as compliance levels start to fall. Other posters have suggested Easter will be where things turn and I think that is quite probable.

Agree with that. Although I am getting the sense that people are now starting to relax a bit themselves and and are just getting on with aspects of life.

We are told that it the caution is because of the new variant but the new variant was there when things were ‘out of control’ and yet we got numbers down really quickly, and they are still declining albeit at a slower pace. I know I am probably ignoring the science on this one but I remain sceptical.

Part of this is because there is nothing positive on the horizon in terms of public messaging. Long way to go, restrictions until the end of the year or into 2022, no holidays and even casting doubt on staycations.

There is no carrot and it is all stick. Meanwhile our neighbouring country is flying ahead with vaccinations and is talking about light on the horizon, end to restrictions, summer holidays.

While there was frustration last year with the slow pace of the opening up plan, it actually went reasonably well compared to other countries. Where issues arose we know that it was largely indoor house parties where there was a lot of pent up demand for family celebrations.

If indoor hospitality stays closed for the moment, and if people can be persuaded not to have big gatherings indoors, and with better weather - there should be scope to loosen things up particularly when we get more and more of the vulnerable vaccinated. That is probably the plan but the messaging is terrible.

Each week that construction stays closed our housing crisis gets worse (as does our broader economy). Schools not open is having multiple effects. Hopefully there will be positive news on this over the next week or so (real news not leaking).

Jinglejangle69

opinionated3 wrote: »

Travel counts for 0.03% of cases. Hardly the iceberg our Titanic is floundering on.

That's not true.

At one stage there was 40% community transmission that they had no idea where it came from.

Doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.

That was around the time America was rampant and our country was open for tourism.

opinionated3

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's BS.

At one stage there was 40% community transmission that they had no idea where it came from.

Doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.

That was around the time America was rampant and our country was open for tourism.

4 cases in the last two weeks. But yet level five still isn't working.

ixoy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

If indoor hospitality stays closed for the moment, and if people can be persuaded not to have big gatherings indoors, and with better weather - there should be scope to loosen things up particularly when we get more and more of the vulnerable vaccinated. That is probably the plan but the messaging is terrible.

And as a result, more and more people are meeting up and having gatherings because they're repeatedly being told the date's being pushed out further and feel they don't want to wait for months. It's self defeating, sure, but it's somewhat understandable too - but if they had a clearer target, or some release of the pressure be it widening 5km, opening click-and-collect, etc, they might restrain themselves more.

nsnoefc1878

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Travel inwards is obviously a problem. If the virus couldn't get into the country it wouldn't be able to spread. Fines and potential prison for travellers, hospitality being closed for months, amd not being able to travel more than 5km from our homes are also all far beyond what we've ever had but they're all happening right now. I'd argue the 5km is much more in line with what the Chinese did than anything I'm suggesting.

I'd prefer a short spell of extreme restrictions to month after month of the slightly less extreme restrictions we have now. I'd imagine plenty feel similarly.

I'd agree tho I think we missed our opportunity to take that approach, should have done it in the first lockdown or at the very least in the second. People just wont buy into it, and could you blame them? We have decided to follow a plan of repeating the same steps over and over even tho we have seen them fail, its barmy.
Zero covid (its badly named) was the way to go, but had to be done early in the pandemic, its too late now I feel, mainly because the public have had enough.
Sick of all the loser excuses that its not viable here, dont buy it for a second. Yes there are geopolitical difficulties around it but nothing is insurmountable. Our loser government never had the vision or ability to even try bridge those issues.

Stihl waters

Apologies upfront to anyone who is suffering with mental health issues and loneliness in all of this but this is a pandemic, its not a cold virus or a mild winter flu, it's a virus that has the potential to cripple health services, care homes and the economy.
I've been reading the whinging crying posts on this with a while and the selfishness displayed is nothing short of scandalous, so what if you're feeling fed up, get over it, you're not being asked to dig a trench in Flanders or being conscripted to go fight for your country, there's no rationing or fear of food shortages or toilet paper, you're being asked to stay within 5 kms of your home for another few months until vaccines come online, you should probably use this time to better yourselves as you'll probably never again see a time where you're being asked to stay at home to do nothing while getting paid, and to the people working from home at least you have a job to do, make the most of it for now
Morons online talking about a 99% survival rate fail to remember it's 99% simply because of lockdown, people pointing out it's mostly the elderly dying are making me think they believe that people over a certain age are disposable as long as they can go out to dinner with friends, young healthy people have little to fear from it but I'd hate for my 65 year old mother recovering from cancer and recently diagnosed with Parkinson's to get it, I can cope for another while without seeing her or sitting down to have dinner with her knowing this will all end once she gets the vaccine.
So again apologies to anyone offended but you know what, suck it up, get motivated and stop the fcukin crying and whinging and self pity and remember you're being asked to stay at home in a warm house with a full fridge and Netflix, get on with it.

nsnoefc1878

opinionated3 wrote: »

Travel counts for 0.03% of cases. Hardly the iceberg our Titanic is floundering on.

Disingenuous to say the least. Its accounts for 100% given that the virus did not originate here.

is_that_so

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's BS.

At one stage there was 40% community transmission that they had no idea where it came from.

Doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.

That was around the time America was rampant and our country was open for tourism.

Not being able to practically track back more than 48 hours with the numbers of cases we have had also makes it unknown.

Leftwaffe

I actually cannot believe Martin has announced another 9 weeks of lockdown via the Mirror. Not enough is being made of this. Utterly shameful act. Zero consideration for people’s mental health.

9 more weeks of this. I cannot live like this for 9 more weeks. How our gov handled this will be seen as a tragedy in the history books.

is_that_so

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

Disingenuous to say the least. Its accounts for 100% given that the virus did not originate here.

Way back in March some scientists hypothesised that closing borders etc will only delay the virus by about 3 weeks.

Plumbthedepths

Stihl waters wrote: »

Apologies upfront to anyone who is suffering with mental health issues and loneliness in all of this but this is a pandemic, its not a cold virus or a mild winter flu, it's a virus that has the potential to cripple health services, care homes and the economy.
I've been reading the whinging crying posts on this with a while and the selfishness displayed is nothing short of scandalous, so what if you're feeling fed up, get over it, you're not being asked to dig a trench in Flanders or being conscripted to go fight for your country, there's no rationing or fear of food shortages or toilet paper, you're being asked to stay within 5 kms of your home for another few months until vaccines come online, you should probably use this time to better yourselves as you'll probably never again see a time where you're being asked to stay at home to do nothing while getting paid, and to the people working from home at least you have a job to do, make the most of it for now
Morons online talking about a 99% survival rate fail to remember it's 99% simply because of lockdown, people pointing out it's mostly the elderly dying are making me think they believe that people over a certain age are disposable as long as they can go out to dinner with friends, young healthy people have little to fear from it but I'd hate for my 65 year old mother recovering from cancer and recently diagnosed with Parkinson's to get it, I can cope for another while without seeing her or sitting down to have dinner with her knowing this will all end once she gets the vaccine.
So again apologies to anyone offended but you know what, suck it up, get motivated and stop the fcukin crying and whinging and self pity and remember you're being asked to stay at home in a warm house with a full fridge and Netflix, get on with it.

I don't know why you started your post apologizing to anyone with mental health issues, because the rest of your post demonstrates you clearly don't give a shiny f**k to anyone's mental health. Three words clearly show this 'Suck it up'.

Knex*

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

8 out of 10 people had an underlying condition from this article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-majority-of-fatalities-had-underlying-conditions-1.4471443

Approx. 40% of the population have a chronic disease of some sort, though. Underlying condition isn't just some tiny minority, unfortunately.

noplacehere

No. No no no. I’ve supported lockdowns by and large but seriously 9 weeks more at this level? That’s crazy! Where’s the god damn carrot??!

Multipass

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know why you started your post apologizing to anyone with mental health issues, because the rest of your post demonstrates you clearly don't give a shiny f**k to anyone's mental health. Three words clearly show this 'Suck it up'.

I’m all right Jack. Why can’t you peasants all just watch Netflix

Doctor Jimbob

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

I'd agree tho I think we missed our opportunity to take that approach, should have done it in the first lockdown or at the very least in the second. People just wont buy into it, and could you blame them? We have decided to follow a plan of repeating the same steps over and over even tho we have seen them fail, its barmy.
Zero covid (its badly named) was the way to go, but had to be done early in the pandemic, its too late now I feel, mainly because the public have had enough.
Sick of all the loser excuses that its not viable here, dont buy it for a second. Yes there are geopolitical difficulties around it but nothing is insurmountable. Our loser government never had the vision or ability to even try bridge those issues.

Yeah that's a fair point. I don't think it would be reasonable to change to that approach now. I'm more just venting out of frustration that we didn't do so sooner.

Leftwaffe

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I actually cannot believe Martin has announced another 9 weeks of lockdown via the Mirror. Not enough is being made of this. Utterly shameful act. Zero consideration for people’s mental health.

9 more weeks of this. I cannot live like this for 9 more weeks. How our gov handled this will be seen as a tragedy in the history books.

no mention, no challenge, no questions AT ALL of this on any news channel this morning! Nothing questioning why MM announced this via the Daily Mirror at 10pm last night

is_that_so

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I actually cannot believe Martin has announced another 9 weeks of lockdown via the Mirror. Not enough is being made of this. Utterly shameful act. Zero consideration for people’s mental health.

9 more weeks of this. I cannot live like this for 9 more weeks. How our gov handled this will be seen as a tragedy in the history books.

This seems to be back to the bunker communications strategy. Throw it out and duck and hide. In fairness they have little else to say but it might be best for all if they stopped offering up empty, false statements about the future.

BlueSkys102

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I actually cannot believe Martin has announced another 9 weeks of lockdown via the Mirror. Not enough is being made of this. Utterly shameful act. Zero consideration for people’s mental health.

9 more weeks of this. I cannot live like this for 9 more weeks. How our gov handled this will be seen as a tragedy in the history books.

That just pushed me over the edge! To announce it to the Mirror of all newspapers, no press conference or time to actually explain why they feel another 9 weeks is needed is disgraceful!!!

He is like a troll who didnt want to face the music so left a message instead

Doctor Jimbob

Stihl waters wrote: »

Apologies upfront to anyone who is suffering with mental health issues and loneliness in all of this but this is a pandemic, its not a cold virus or a mild winter flu, it's a virus that has the potential to cripple health services, care homes and the economy.
I've been reading the whinging crying posts on this with a while and the selfishness displayed is nothing short of scandalous, so what if you're feeling fed up, get over it, you're not being asked to dig a trench in Flanders or being conscripted to go fight for your country, there's no rationing or fear of food shortages or toilet paper, you're being asked to stay within 5 kms of your home for another few months until vaccines come online, you should probably use this time to better yourselves as you'll probably never again see a time where you're being asked to stay at home to do nothing while getting paid, and to the people working from home at least you have a job to do, make the most of it for now
Morons online talking about a 99% survival rate fail to remember it's 99% simply because of lockdown, people pointing out it's mostly the elderly dying are making me think they believe that people over a certain age are disposable as long as they can go out to dinner with friends, young healthy people have little to fear from it but I'd hate for my 65 year old mother recovering from cancer and recently diagnosed with Parkinson's to get it, I can cope for another while without seeing her or sitting down to have dinner with her knowing this will all end once she gets the vaccine.
So again apologies to anyone offended but you know what, suck it up, get motivated and stop the fcukin crying and whinging and self pity and remember you're being asked to stay at home in a warm house with a full fridge and Netflix, get on with it.

That might be a fair point if other countries were doing the same as us. We have harsher restrictions than most other countries in the world at this point. Things could have changed but last time I checked, the rest of the world are dealing with this pandemic as well.

"Suck it up, it's a pandemic" doesn't really work when the rest of the world is slowly easing restrictions.

SnuggyBear

Stihl waters wrote: »

Morons online talking about a 99% survival rate fail to remember it's 99% simply because of lockdown

Good one, and your calling people morons?

Happydays2020

JRant wrote: »

There's a very real possibility that NPHET will want to see results of the vaccine here over a number of months before making any firm decisions. We may also run into a situation where numbers will be very low during the summer months and they may claim this could be due to seasonality and be extremely cautious in Autumn/Winter. No matter what way we look at this 2021 is going to be an absolute slog.

If that is the view of NPHET then it is bizarre. Are we different here vs people elsewhere. Do they see genetic issues they are not telling us about? I presume not but if they are at this nonsense then they leave the door open to conspiracies and other issues.

Father Hernandez

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I actually cannot believe Martin has announced another 9 weeks of lockdown via the Mirror. Not enough is being made of this. Utterly shameful act. Zero consideration for people’s mental health.

9 more weeks of this. I cannot live like this for 9 more weeks. How our gov handled this will be seen as a tragedy in the history books.

Via an exclusive as if it's a massive scoop.

If you see on their website, a lot of these pictures are not just stock imagery.

It was a planned, well thought out interview and photoshoot.

Completely spinless.

Kivaro

noplacehere wrote: »

No. No no no. I’ve supported lockdowns by and large but seriously 9 weeks more at this level? That’s crazy! Where’s the god damn carrot??!

No carrot. It seems that we are just getting belted by the stick and this will continue for some time to come.
Here is what I posted about a possible carrot on another thread:

RTE led off the news this morning with the announcement that strict restrictions will in place until May. Strict restrictions could be Level 4.9. We are still in February?

The government needs to come up with an alternative plan regarding some of these restrictions. We all well remember how crap our summer was last year, and the only decent bit of sunshine and warmth was in April and May. There are millions of us on this island who are not 5 km within a beach or a coastal walk/location. The 5 km restriction rule will not hold if the sun is splitting the skies in April and May. The government should allow access to coastal locations in order for all of us to get a bit of salt air and an opportunity to walk by the water. This will have enormous mental health benefits and it can be done within the social distancing guidelines.

This government will also need to change not only their messaging but how they convey it.

titan18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't know why you started your post apologizing to anyone with mental health issues, because the rest of your post demonstrates you clearly don't give a shiny f**k to anyone's mental health. Three words clearly show this 'Suck it up'.

It's the covid version of I'm not racist but

is_that_so

JRant wrote: »

There's a very real possibility that NPHET will want to see results of the vaccine here over a number of months before making any firm decisions. We may also run into a situation where numbers will be very low during the summer months and they may claim this could be due to seasonality and be extremely cautious in Autumn/Winter. No matter what way we look at this 2021 is going to be an absolute slog.

I believe Glynn said they'll comment on post-vaccine data in March.

OwenM

Knex* wrote: »

Approx. 40% of the population have a chronic disease of some sort, though. Underlying condition isn't just some tiny minority, unfortunately.

Not this again, 40% of the population do not have an underlying condition that makes them more vulnerable to covid. Obesity is the biggest lie peddled here, you are classed as more vulnerable only if your BMI is greater than 40. The list of conditions of interest is in this report:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_1.0v%2014122020.pdf