Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Sweet.Science

Cork2021 wrote: »

We’re about 4/5 weeks behind the Uk when it comes to roll out of the vaccine, albeit they’ve only done one dose for a majority(which has been found to very efficacious)
We’ll see their roadmap out of this on Monday and then we can compare on Tuesday/Wednesday what ours has to say.
I’ve a bad feeling that this is going to be the endgame for the hospitality, arts and entertainment industries not the virus, as they’ll be worried about the 1 millionth variant that causes us to forget we used to live

We will be under serious pressure when they release their roadmap . Especially as it will coincide with Ireland prolonging level 5 restrictions

TheDoctor

Cork2021 wrote: »

We’ll see their roadmap out of this on Monday and then we can compare on Tuesday/Wednesday what ours has to say.

For our own sanity be better not to compare

zuutroy

It's hard to understand. I get that other countries have better healthcare systems or at least more capacity, but with exponential growth that might only buy you a week or two. Are Italy heading for another lockdown because of this, or do they know something that we don't? Whatever the value of that 'restriction stringency index', we've been Top 3 in the world for the whole year so far.

Sweet.Science

Sweet.Science wrote: »

We will be under serious pressure when they release their roadmap . Especially as it will coincide with Ireland prolonging level 5 restrictions

They don't have a roadmap and, if they did, it would be policed with Garda checkpoints to the point of being unenforceable.

TheDoctor

Someone should really warn the UK about the UK variant thats causing all the problems over here.

Plumbthedepths

zuutroy wrote: »

It's hard to understand. I get that other countries have better healthcare systems or at least more capacity, but with exponential growth that might only buy you a week or two. Are Italy heading for another lockdown because of this, or do they know something that we don't? Whatever the value of that 'restriction stringency index', we've been Top 3 in the world for the whole year so far.

One word 'economy'.

Kha1993

Government behaviour has all the hallmarks of coercive control or abusive behaviour at the moment. Constant drip feed of negative news, constant blaming of different members of the population, constant extending of the isolation period -“you can see your family in February, no March, no April, no may.. and on.

I wonder who (if anyone) is advising MM and the government at this stage. I used to point the finger solely at NPHET when it came to communications but this is purely government based now, this pathetic communication.

wadacrack

zuutroy wrote: »

It's hard to understand. I get that other countries have better healthcare systems or at least more capacity, but with exponential growth that might only buy you a week or two. Are Italy heading for another lockdown because of this, or do they know something that we don't? Whatever the value of that 'restriction stringency index', we've been Top 3 in the world for the whole year so far.

Short term gain for long term pain

KrustyUCC

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd have to wonder what are they at with their messaging. What's the point in announcing it now? https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1198280/?__twitter_impression=true

Martin really doing a number on any hope people have

No haircuts until June

No hospitality under July minimum so

No foreign holidays for people but no holidays in Ireland either

He's determined for society to be worse affected by restrictions in 2021 than 2020

Jim_Hodge

MD1990 wrote: »

Because people will go overboard with it like at christmas.

They'll see it as a chance to see as many people as they can before the next lovkdown. Will give them free reign

Yet you think outdoor events should be allowed? Allowing me to go beyond 5km so I can safely take a walk is hardly worse that saying you can have an outdoor event.
You're also condoning those braking the 5km at the expense of those adhering to it.
Extending the 5km limit doesn't allow for much of the Christmas behaviour but outdoor event go more towards it.
Are you just seeing this through what suits your circumstances perhaps?

TonyMaloney

On current trajectory, in nine weeks time we will not be where we need to be to consider opening things like hospitality - below 100 cases per day.
We'd need 12 - 13 weeks for that.
But that's assuming our current trajectory, which won't last.

We plan to start returning kids to school in nine days time. Even if this goes as well as last time, it's highly likely that the infection will start to grow again. Hopefully it's manageable so that the kids can continue to attend.
It will however alter our case trajectory. We'll be nowhere near 100 cases per day by June. I don't know what numbers we'll be looking at, but I'd be very happy if they're lower than they are now.

This sounds pretty bleak, but vaccines will hopefully start to play a bigger and bigger role. The situation can be turned around quite quickly because of them. Mid to late summer could be wonderful months, but the next few ones are almost certainly going to be crap. I'm trying to steel myself for it. Not gonna be easy, but there is light on the horizon.

Kha1993

Kha1993 wrote: »

Government behaviour has all the hallmarks of coercive control or any dove behaviour at the moment. Constant drip feed of negative news, constant blaming of different members of the population, constant extending of the isolation period -“you can see your family in February, no March, no April, no may.. and on.

I wonder who (if anyone) is advising MM and the government at this stage. I used to point the finger solely at NPHET when it came to communications but this is purely government based now, this pathetic communication.

EU inevitably influencing decision making to some degree.

Atlantic Dawn

It's almost as if the vaccines don't exist the approach the government is having. The groups where 99% of deaths occurred in will be vaccinated at stage 7.

Mwengwe

seriously - what is the obsession with whether information on lockdown is 'leaked' or 'officially announced'? What difference does it really make?

zuutroy

One would hope the million shots a month and million already presumed with immunity would help alter the trajectory back downward pretty quickly.

cjyid

The aul variant line michaél comes out with all the time is super boring.

BTownB

Deleted User wrote: »

Restaurants reopened in Italy 3-weeks ago. Yesterday, they had 15,500 new cases and 348 deaths.

That would be the equivalent of 1,300 cases here and 29 deaths.

Spain has a similar rate to this - with Madrid just having reduced curfew times (up to 11pm) and allowing bars/restaurants to stay open until this hour.

I could go on, but many countries with higher numbers of cases per 100,000 are already opening up to a reasonable and sensible degree.

It's the 20 February.

Compare that progress with what the Irish Government is proposing until at least May.

It's absolute total bonkers. Insane madness. It has to STOP!

It is bonkers. We have the 3rd strictest restrictions in the world! Up with Eritrea and Honduras.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-22..latest&region=World

And our case numbers aren't evem in top 25. We're meant to accept this until May?

There is no justification for this.

zuutroy

Mwengwe wrote: »

seriously - what is the obsession with whether information on lockdown is 'leaked' or 'officially announced'? What difference does it really make?

Because the leaked information may or may not be true and changes by the day.

noplacehere

Keeping no social visits at all even out doors and a 5 limit to May is absolutely bat ****. Sorry that’s proper crazy. And this is from someone who is pro lockdowns. The current messaging beggars belief, everyone I know is downhearted and breaking and the last 24hrs have made it all so much worse

normanoffside

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Seriously, no outdoor dining even?

Are they going to ensure another missed summer in Ireland?

Bonkers

NPHET are only 99'9% sure that outdoor dining is safe so they can't take the risk in allowing it.

MarkY91

Regarding schools, why is it more important to get junior infant's back to classrooms to do some arts and crafts than leaving cert students that aren't prepared for the more important week of their lives so far in the leaving cert?

retro:electro

Mwengwe wrote: »

seriously - what is the obsession with whether information on lockdown is 'leaked' or 'officially announced'? What difference does it really make?

It’s shows a lack of respect for the public. Dropping these massive revelations on us daily and then having us question if they really did say what’s being reported, only for them to come on later and insist they never meant xyz. It’s torturous. Something as big as 9 more weeks of lockdown should not be dropped on us through an alert on our phone. It’s the casual manner in which they think they can tell us these things that shows how out of touch they really are with how mentally fragile some people are right now. If something big needs to be said it should be said formally, at a press conference where we can all prepare ourselves and tune in. It’s not right to have this negative and soul destroying drip feeding to the media so casually. It’s no way to hear bad news

jaffa20

They seriously need to allow travel within county at least. Staying within 5km is becoming too tiring.

iamwhoiam

Mwengwe wrote: »

seriously - what is the obsession with whether information on lockdown is 'leaked' or 'officially announced'? What difference does it really make?

Because we deserve better , we deserve to be told outright and not guessing who said what and what did they really mean .

stephenjmcd

Kha1993 wrote: »

No hospitality til at least mid-summer says MM. this time in another interview, on another different radio station (RTÉ RnaG). Drip drip drip..

The communication is just woeful.

Thursday gives an interview with timelines mentioned
Friday says oh nothing is set in stone, no dates, don't look ahead etc.
Saturday - go back on Friday and start looking ahead and putting timings on things.

Read the room MM for christ sake

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The communication is just woeful.

Thursday gives an interview
Friday says oh nothing is set in stone, no dates, don't look ahead etc.
Saturday - go back on Friday and start looking ahead and putting timings on things.

Read the room MM for christ sake

Him and Donnelly would be better just saying nothing.

TheDoctor

The next 2 9 weeks are crucial

stephenjmcd

Would have been useful to mention in last night's statement

https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1363087982690000897?s=19

Gruffalux

frozen3 wrote: »

Flu has many strains and we guess the strain for that season, its a little bit different than a novel coronavirus

Only thing similar would be bird flu and if that mutated to infect human's, it wouldn't be tweaking, it would be lockdown level 7

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2021/02/russia-first-human-cases-of-h5n8-bird-flu/

TonyMaloney

We're picking up speed on the vaccination front.

Kudos again to Shane Hastings (username is IrishStuff09), who has gone from being the swab guy to the Irish Pandemic Communications Tzar in the last couple of months.

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1363096570892324868?s=20