Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Tyrone212

Can someone explain to me why it is taking so long to implement the travel quarantine from certain countries? What exactly is the hold up? Brazilian variant in the country now ,while more time is wasted. I just don't get it.

Why don't they just ban entry to anyone who was in Brazil and the other countries on the list in the previous 3 weeks until they get it up and running?

Its so infuriating.

ninebeanrows

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why it is taking so long to implement the travel quarantine from certain countries? What exactly is the hold up? Brazilian variant in the country now ,while more time is wasted. I just don't get it.

As far as I'm aware no other EU country is enforcing mandatory hotel quarantine are they? So there is no copy and paste template. Any legislation will be ripe for law suits etc.

Deeper Blue

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why it is taking so long to implement the travel quarantine from certain countries? What exactly is the hold up? Brazilian variant in the country now ,while more time is wasted. I just don't get it.

Why don't they just ban entry to anyone who was in Brazil and the other countries on the list in the previous 3 weeks until they get it up and running?

Its so infuriating.

I think at this stage everyone in the country has asked these questions.

Everyone except the government that is

WhiteMemento9

SusieBlue wrote: »

Everything I have seen and heard over the last few days leads me to the conclusion that they’re going to do a copy and paste job on last years Roadmap to easing of restrictions and we’ll have the same again this year.

The only difference is that last year we only went into lockdown in mid March, this year we have been in level 5 since October with a brief 3 week break at Christmas.

So if it follows the same pattern it looks like the first week of June for non essential retail, the end of June for hairdressers and gyms, and the end of July/start of August for restaurants.
Before obviously going back into level 5 at the start of October to ‘break the circuit’ and save Christmas so we can make some ‘meaningful’ memories with our families.
MM said the end of the second quarter for personal services and mid summer for hospitality, so that lines up with last years plan.

I can’t believe that a whole year later we are in an even worse position with so much uncertainty even though we are already vaccinating people.
I can’t believe that after all we have learned about this virus, we know so much more than we did last year, we are still making stupid mistakes like letting god knows who into the country to do as they please while we risk breaking the law and being fined if we dare venture more than 5k from our homes.
I can’t believe they have the audacity to say that forcing quarantine on incoming travellers is too harsh a measure and would be impossible to police, while they have 5 MILLION people (with half a million of those out of work) practically under house arrest for the majority of the last year.

We will very likely spent more of this year in full lockdown than we did in 2020, and that to me indicates utter failure on behalf of the government.
They are an incompetent bunch of self serving headless chickens who only care about covering their own arses.

The manner in which this information is being delivered to the public is nothing short of scandalous, the repeated leaks are completely unprofessional and downright disrespectful.
Announcing another 9 weeks of lockdown at 10pm at night via a tabloid rag shows how insensitive and irresponsible they are.
If they had any consideration or compassion for the fact that so many people are at the end of their tether and hanging on by a thread, they would never deliver serious news like that in such a careless way.
It’s infuriating that they think their actions, particularly over the last week, have been an acceptable way for any government to conduct themselves.
They are a complete and utter disgrace.

No, the difference is we have vaccines now!

The only thing that is getting copied and pasted is your posts.

Cluedo Monopoly

SusieBlue wrote: »

Everything I have seen and heard over the last few days leads me to the conclusion that they’re going to do a copy and paste job on last years Roadmap to easing of restrictions and we’ll have the same again this year.

The only difference is that last year we only went into lockdown in mid March, this year we have been in level 5 since October with a brief 3 week break at Christmas.

So if it follows the same pattern it looks like the first week of June for non essential retail, the end of June for hairdressers and gyms, and the end of July/start of August for restaurants.
Before obviously going back into level 5 at the start of October to ‘break the circuit’ and save Christmas so we can make some ‘meaningful’ memories with our families.
MM said the end of the second quarter for personal services and mid summer for hospitality, so that lines up with last years plan.

I can’t believe that a whole year later we are in an even worse position with so much uncertainty even though we are already vaccinating people.
I can’t believe that after all we have learned about this virus, we know so much more than we did last year, we are still making stupid mistakes like letting god knows who into the country to do as they please while we risk breaking the law and being fined if we dare venture more than 5k from our homes.
I can’t believe they have the audacity to say that forcing quarantine on incoming travellers is too harsh a measure and would be impossible to police, while they have 5 MILLION people (with half a million of those out of work) practically under house arrest for the majority of the last year.

We will very likely spent more of this year in full lockdown than we did in 2020, and that to me indicates utter failure on behalf of the government.
They are an incompetent bunch of self serving headless chickens who only care about covering their own arses.

The manner in which this information is being delivered to the public is nothing short of scandalous, the repeated leaks are completely unprofessional and downright disrespectful.
Announcing another 9 weeks of lockdown at 10pm at night via a tabloid rag shows how insensitive and irresponsible they are.
If they had any consideration or compassion for the fact that so many people are at the end of their tether and hanging on by a thread, they would never deliver serious news like that in such a careless way.
It’s infuriating that they think their actions, particularly over the last week, have been an acceptable way for any government to conduct themselves.
They are a complete and utter disgrace.

Great post. 100% agree. Shambolic.

prunudo

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

No, the difference is we have vaccines now!

The only thing that is getting copied and pasted is your posts.

Better tell the government because going by their over cautious approach they don't have any faith in the vaccine roll out suppressing the virus.

SheepsClothing

ninebeanrows wrote: »

The issue is the opposition favours an even harder lockdown.... there is actually no opposition to this from any political party so the government can be as conservative as they like.

What do people want? The vulnerable population won't be vaccinated until near enough the end of April anyway, which would necessitate nine weeks of some sort of lockdown. By the time we get there, vaccinations will start having an impact on transmission and new cases. I honestly can't see serious restrictions lasting past early June, with the noise coming out on the vaccine front.

Happydays2020

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Why? Do you need a safe space from opinions you don't like?

He is like a broken record. He is far less qualified than the likes of Luke O’Neill (and indeed not sure he is fully qualified in what he preaches), he is not willing to even consider the weaknesses of his argument, and he has become extremely politically critical - now moving into climate change policy....

gw80

ninebeanrows wrote: »

As far as I'm aware no other EU country is enforcing mandatory hotel quarantine are they? So there is no copy and paste template. Any legislation will be ripe for law suits etc.

I don't really understand "law suits", by whom?, and what laws,
A lot of Europe does not have thousands of Brazilians coming and going for work, will it be Larry Goodman who files a lawsuit?.

jackboy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

He is like a broken record. He is far less qualified than the likes of Luke O’Neill (and indeed not sure he is fully qualified in what he preaches), he is not willing to even consider the weaknesses of his argument, and he has become extremely politically critical - now moving into climate change policy....

Yeah, but is he wrong?

Tyrone212

ninebeanrows wrote: »

As far as I'm aware no other EU country is enforcing mandatory hotel quarantine are they? So there is no copy and paste template. Any legislation will be ripe for law suits etc.

Simple fix. Austria is the only EU country on the list. Ban flights from there and go ahead with the legislation for the other non EU countries.

I remember last spring Varadkar saying we couldn't stop entry to other EU countries which was nonsense as lots of EU countries closed their borders then.

They're just hiding behind that as an excuse IMO.

As time goes on this Brazilian variant will get more of a footing in the country. They only do sequencing on a small % of tests so God knows how many have been missed.

Happydays2020

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah, but is he wrong?

I believe he is. I do not think zero Covid is a realistic strategy. Fine in theory, perfect for NZ and Australia but does not work for us.

SusieBlue

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

No, the difference is we have vaccines now!

The only thing that is getting copied and pasted is your posts.

You’d better let the government know then, because they are behaving as if we are in March 2020 and that this is a brand new threat. Everything they have said this week indicates we will be having the exact same roadmap as last year, despite said vaccines.
7 months of level 5 is a completely disproportionate response to the current threat and will harm far more people in the long run than the virus ever will.

NeuralNetwork

SusieBlue wrote: »

Everything I have seen and heard over the last few days leads me to the conclusion that they’re going to do a copy and paste job on last years Roadmap to easing of restrictions and we’ll have the same again this year.

The only difference is that last year we only went into lockdown in mid March, this year we have been in level 5 since October with a brief 3 week break at Christmas.

So if it follows the same pattern it looks like the first week of June for non essential retail, the end of June for hairdressers and gyms, and the end of July/start of August for restaurants.
Before obviously going back into level 5 at the start of October to ‘break the circuit’ and save Christmas so we can make some ‘meaningful’ memories with our families.
MM said the end of the second quarter for personal services and mid summer for hospitality, so that lines up with last years plan.

I can’t believe that a whole year later we are in an even worse position with so much uncertainty even though we are already vaccinating people.
I can’t believe that after all we have learned about this virus, we know so much more than we did last year, we are still making stupid mistakes like letting god knows who into the country to do as they please while we risk breaking the law and being fined if we dare venture more than 5k from our homes.
I can’t believe they have the audacity to say that forcing quarantine on incoming travellers is too harsh a measure and would be impossible to police, while they have 5 MILLION people (with half a million of those out of work) practically under house arrest for the majority of the last year.

We will very likely spent more of this year in full lockdown than we did in 2020, and that to me indicates utter failure on behalf of the government.
They are an incompetent bunch of self serving headless chickens who only care about covering their own arses.

The manner in which this information is being delivered to the public is nothing short of scandalous, the repeated leaks are completely unprofessional and downright disrespectful.
Announcing another 9 weeks of lockdown at 10pm at night via a tabloid rag shows how insensitive and irresponsible they are.
If they had any consideration or compassion for the fact that so many people are at the end of their tether and hanging on by a thread, they would never deliver serious news like that in such a careless way.
It’s infuriating that they think their actions, particularly over the last week, have been an acceptable way for any government to conduct themselves.
They are a complete and utter disgrace.

I certainly won’t be voting for either of them ever again after this. The fact they did a better job than Donald Trump or Boris Johnson is hardly a high bar.

The post Christmas period has just been an unmitigated disaster and if we end up with the Brazilian variant becoming established because of lack of testing at airports I think there needs to be resignations.

Communication is poor, confusing and spin-laden and I’m still seeing a lack of clarity on the vaccine programme.

I’m finding myself planning emigration tbh - not everywhere is in the mess that here, the U.K. or the US is in.

jackboy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I believe he is. I do not think zero Covid is a realistic strategy. Fine in theory, perfect for NZ and Australia but does not work for us.

Fair enough but he is entitled to his opinion, especially as zero covid is the only policy that has worked anywhere.

Doctor Jimbob

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why it is taking so long to implement the travel quarantine from certain countries? What exactly is the hold up? Brazilian variant in the country now ,while more time is wasted. I just don't get it.

Why don't they just ban entry to anyone who was in Brazil and the other countries on the list in the previous 3 weeks until they get it up and running?

Its so infuriating.

It's less effort to just tell everyone to stay at home.

WhiteMemento9

prunudo wrote: »

Better tell the government because going by their over cautious approach they don't have any faith in the vaccine roll out suppressing the virus.

What does that mean? The whole approach is based on the vaccine. We are in a situation where we are so close to having a rollout that can facilitate us moving back to relative normality. The idea that we should threaten this by not continuing to suppress the virus is ridiculous.

I like everyone wish this rollout was happening faster to facilitate a quick road out of this mess but at the moment we don't have that in place and until it does there aren't other options. People talking about moving down the restriction levels as quickly as we can in this extremely pivotal phase sound like complete lunatics when you are reading their view here. There seems to be no awareness of how short-sighted doing that would be right now.

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Happydays2020

jackboy wrote: »

Fair enough but he is entitled to his opinion, especially as zero covid is the only policy that has worked anywhere.

But he does not react well to people who disagree with him and is making political and personal judgements against politicians.

prunudo

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

What does that mean? The whole approach is based on the vaccine. We are in a situation where we are so close to having a rollout that can facilitate us moving back to relative normality. The idea that we should threaten this by not continuing to suppress the virus is ridiculous.

I like everyone wish this rollout was happening faster to facilitate a quick road out of this mess but at the moment we don't have that in place and until it does there aren't other options. People talking about moving down the restriction levels as quickly as we can in this extremely pivotal phase sound like complete lunatics when you are reading their view here. There seems to be no awareness of how short-sighted doing that would be right now.

I suppose in reality, until we see a plan we can only go by the leaks but from what i can see the timeline for reopening is more drawn out than last year when there was no vaccine at play.

And its not that i expect or even want a rapid reopening, but at present, given where numbers are and how they are ten times less than early Jan, there is scope to open things similar to Oct/Nov lockdown, imo.

UDAWINNER

Who gives a fcuk about lawsuits, ban all travel from high risk countries such as Brazil, South Africa, the US, etc. We should be protecting our citizens above all others, numerous countries such as Germany doing this

RugbyLad11

SusieBlue wrote: »

Everything I have seen and heard over the last few days leads me to the conclusion that they’re going to do a copy and paste job on last years Roadmap to easing of restrictions and we’ll have the same again this year.

The only difference is that last year we only went into lockdown in mid March, this year we have been in level 5 since October with a brief 3 week break at Christmas.

So if it follows the same pattern it looks like the first week of June for non essential retail, the end of June for hairdressers and gyms, and the end of July/start of August for restaurants.
Before obviously going back into level 5 at the start of October to ‘break the circuit’ and save Christmas so we can make some ‘meaningful’ memories with our families.
MM said the end of the second quarter for personal services and mid summer for hospitality, so that lines up with last years plan.

I can’t believe that a whole year later we are in an even worse position with so much uncertainty even though we are already vaccinating people.
I can’t believe that after all we have learned about this virus, we know so much more than we did last year, we are still making stupid mistakes like letting god knows who into the country to do as they please while we risk breaking the law and being fined if we dare venture more than 5k from our homes.
I can’t believe they have the audacity to say that forcing quarantine on incoming travellers is too harsh a measure and would be impossible to police, while they have 5 MILLION people (with half a million of those out of work) practically under house arrest for the majority of the last year.

We will very likely spent more of this year in full lockdown than we did in 2020, and that to me indicates utter failure on behalf of the government.
They are an incompetent bunch of self serving headless chickens who only care about covering their own arses.

The manner in which this information is being delivered to the public is nothing short of scandalous, the repeated leaks are completely unprofessional and downright disrespectful.
Announcing another 9 weeks of lockdown at 10pm at night via a tabloid rag shows how insensitive and irresponsible they are.
If they had any consideration or compassion for the fact that so many people are at the end of their tether and hanging on by a thread, they would never deliver serious news like that in such a careless way.
It’s infuriating that they think their actions, particularly over the last week, have been an acceptable way for any government to conduct themselves.
They are a complete and utter disgrace.

Well said! The problem is that there is no opposition who will call them out.

jackboy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

But he does not react well to people who disagree with him and is making political and personal judgements against politicians.

Our politicians are behaving appallingly so it’s not surprising they are getting negative feedback.

The truth is still that the policy Tomas Ryan is pushing is the only policy that has been successful world wide. We just endlessly repeat failed policies.

NeuralNetwork

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk about lawsuits, ban all travel from high risk countries such as Brazil, South Africa, the US, etc. We should be protecting our citizens above all others, numerous countries such as Germany doing this

The problem is if we don’t we’ll be joining that list of high risk banned countries. We’re already banned from a lot of places due to the U.K. varient exploding here since Christmas and now being responsible for 90% of cases.

It was a lovely Christmas present that people brought back with them due to our refusal to enforce external sanitary health borders basically.

If we get a big outbreak of other variants, which are far far more preventable at borders than the U.K. one was, we are basically cutting ourselves off from the world and setting safe reopening of tourism back months and maybe until 2022 or 2023 if the vaccines struggle with these.

Do you want to be safely open to travel or just open to coronavirus variants? There isn’t a choice of both.

zuutroy

From hearing CdeG on the radio earlier it looks as though the suppression rate even with the current restrictions due to the B117 being dominant isn't great. I guess opening anything more than the schools and construction will certainly drive the R-number above 1 and we're then on an express road back to 2000 in hospital pretty quickly given the high baseline we'd be starting from.
People are understandably angry but we are where we are now, and hands are essentially tied until there are a couple of million vaccines in arms unfortunately.

Happydays2020

jackboy wrote: »

Our politicians are behaving appallingly so it’s not surprising they are getting negative feedback.

The truth is still that the policy Tomas Ryan is pushing is the only policy that has been successful world wide. We just endlessly repeat failed policies.

It has been successful in places which are different to us. In our circumstances it is all about managing things as best we can. Overall it has been reasonably successful and I am not anti lock down.

MonkstownHoop

Are contact tracers working weekends?

Thanks

jackboy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It has been successful in places which are different to us. In our circumstances it is all about managing things as best we can. Overall it has been reasonably successful and I am not anti lock down.

It hasn’t been successful. It has been a failure. Economy destroyed, thousands dead, so many other lives destroyed. This is not success.

jam_mac_jam

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk about lawsuits, ban all travel from high risk countries such as Brazil, South Africa, the US, etc. We should be protecting our citizens above all others, numerous countries such as Germany doing this

Germany has closed one of the borders from Austria but we can talk about quaranting people for another few weeks. What's the rush?

Wolf359f

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk about lawsuits, ban all travel from high risk countries such as Brazil, South Africa, the US, etc. We should be protecting our citizens above all others, numerous countries such as Germany doing this

Looking at Germany, they have basically banned airlines from transporting people from high risk countries. So it puts the onus on the airline rather than the traveller.
Easier legally not to have people arriving rather than dealing with enforced quarantine on arrival.
Still doesn't prevent Irish citizens arriving from Brazil though.