Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

TheDoctor

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

It seems to be a registration system that works much like the NCT or any other of those state services.

Login, register, tick various boxes. Appointment happens electronically.

When do we think that will be available for group 14? :pac:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Currently got to group 3

vienne86

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

It seems to be a registration system that works much like the NCT or any other of those state services.

Login, register, tick various boxes. Appointment happens electronically.

In fact I thought it was said that all under 70s would register online.

Patches oHoulihan

KrustyUCC wrote: »

26 deaths
988 cases

90 less cases today than this day last week

Almost another thousand the then.
AGAIN..... and thats just what they swabbed.

Its not going to get lower than that is it!

Always_Running

808 the 7 day average in cases. Last Saturday it was 897.

52 more cases than positive swabs the last 7 days.

Bubbaclaus

TheDoctor wrote: »

When do we think that will be available for group 14? :pac:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Currently got to group 3

I'd would say Group 14 will start in July, if I was to guess.

frank8211

Anyone knnow whats been happening in Monaghan

blowitupref

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

Almost another thousand the then.
AGAIN..... and thats just what they swabbed.

Its not going to get lower than that is it!

843 was the swab count the last 24hrs. It will get lower, much lower you just need to have a little patience.

NeuralNetwork

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'd would say Group 14 will start in July, if I was to guess.

A lot will depend on how fast the system can vaccinate. The supplies are unlikely to be in anyway restricted in a month or so. The punch points will then be the speed of the vaccination system.

The mass vaccination centres are looking promising and there’s a lot of capacity through GPs and pharmacies.

It’s also looking like the Pfizer vaccine is much less problematic to transport than initially assumed. The extreme cryogenic freezing is looking to have been over cautious and there’s a hell of a lot of those doses being produced by Pfizer, BioNTech and also Sanofi in Europe.

The big unpredictable factor is variants. If they become a really serious issue for the vaccines, you’re looking at effectively having to rerun the programme.

We’re still flying blind with this as it’s a new virus to our immune systems & population. So I wouldn’t count my chickens just yet.

vafankillar

how the **** are cases still staying so high? what are people up to for christ sake?

TheDoctor

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'd would say Group 14 will start in July, if I was to guess.

I'd be thrilled if I get offered in July! Have late Q3/early Q4 in my head.

NeuralNetwork

vafankillar wrote: »

how the **** are cases still staying so high? what are people up to for christ sake?

Probably a mixture of the U.K. varient being 90% of cases and that you’ll never get an absolute level of compliance. It’s just not achievable with humans in a liberal democracy.

I’m actually beginning to wonder if there’s immunity in parts of Asia due to perhaps exposure to similar, but not deadly, viruses over the years. The social measures alone simply don’t add up as why there’s such a huge difference between Europe and Asia on this and I think we are possibly beating ourselves up over being unable to beat this when it may simply be down to our immune systems and a need for vaccines.

There are serious screw ups on public policy but I’m not sure that any more than this is going to be achieved. The only route out of this seems to be successful vaccination.

wadacrack

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Probably a mixture of the U.K. varient being 90% of cases and that you’ll never get an absolute level of compliance. It’s just not achievable with humans in a liberal democracy.

I’m actually beginning to wonder if there’s immunity in parts of Asia due to perhaps exposure to similar, but not deadly, viruses over the years. The social measures alone simply don’t add up as why there’s such a huge difference between Europe and Asia on this and I think we are possibly beating ourselves up over being unable to beat this when it may simply be down to our immune systems and a need for vaccines.

There are serious screw ups on public policy but I’m not sure that any more than this is going to be achieved. The only route out of this seems to be successful vaccination.

I doubt it, Australia and NZ public health measures are very similar to alot of countries in Asia

is_that_so

TheDoctor wrote: »

When do we think that will be available for group 14? :pac:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Currently got to group 3

They are bouncing around a bit at present, bits of 1,2,3,4 & 6! Once the over 70s are done things should settle and we'll see more orderly progression through the groups.

NeuralNetwork

wadacrack wrote: »

I doubt it, Australia and NZ public health measures are very similar to alot of countries in Asia

Australia and NZ basically just sealed themselves off from the world entirely. That hasn’t been the case in various parts of Asia that have functioned without significant issues.

Forgetting about very developed parts of Asia, what’s not adding up to me is that countries that would be described as developing world and have much less ability to self isolate, avoid mingling in work or other contexts etc and that have been open are still doing far better than places like say Norway or Germany, both of which are not places where you’d expect any issue with getting social healthcare systems working extremely well and where you’ve strong senses of social solidarity and rule following around issues like this.

There has to be something more complicated going on than just simple measures. It’s run through some populations extremely rapidly, as if we’ve absolutely no immune response it, yet it hasn’t done that in some others.

I suspect we’ll be seeing a more complex picture of this in 12 months time as the research catches up.

It seems though the only escape from this in Ireland or Europe is going to be vaccines. We simply aren’t able to completely contain it.

I mean what amounted to a few days of normal socialising, not huge festivals or rock concerts or something, caused an enormous spike and nearly wiped out our healthcare systems and killed large numbers of people.

This is an extremely low density country and most people live in relatively spacious homes. It’s counterintuitive that it would run through the population that fast.

You simply can’t live with a virus that deadly. It’s impossible.

Ficheall

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'd would say Group 14 will start in July, if I was to guess.

2022, is it? :P

theballz

My dad got vaccinated today, I’ve seen him since Xmas. Is it wrong that I shed a little tear?

CIARAN_BOYLE

vafankillar wrote: »

how the **** are cases still staying so high? what are people up to for christ sake?

Test positivity amoung close contacts is around 25% now compared to 12% in October.

This is a sign that more transmissible variants are now widespread and case falls are incredibly slow.

Around Christmas they were saying the UK variant was 50% of cases. Its now 95%.

So if we take a day where cases were 6k. 3k UK variant and 3k old variant.

The 3k Irish variant has fallen to around 50 while the 3k UK variant cases has fallen to around 900.

mloc123

mloc123 wrote: »

Makes you wonder how and where people are still picking it up... 7 weeks into level 5

In the first lockdown people were scared of the unknown and pretty much stayed at home.

This time, people know that vaccines are here, that they're unlikely to get the virus, that if they get it they're unlikely to get sick from it, if they get sick they're unlikely to be hospitalised, and if they get hospitalised they're unlikely to die.

Far from the "250,000 will die" hysteria that was being whipped up by the lockdowners in March, we have had 4,000 deaths.

People were terrorised into compliance first time. Now, as we enter the fourth month of our three-week lockdown, people are angry. And angry voters are voters who won't listen.

tucker1971

Everytime Micheal martin mentions further restrictions, his go to excuse is because of new variants.
Does he realise the reason we have new variants is due to his failure to implement airport quarantine? Is he actually that thick that he dosent realise this?

Bubbaclaus

Ficheall wrote: »

2022, is it? :P

Well based on the projections of 1m doses per month in Q2, and 1.1m or so done to the end of March, we will be mostly through the first 12 groups by the end of July 2021 and group 13 will be starting to ramp up.

Ficheall

b0nk1e wrote: »

Far from the "250,000 will die" hysteria that was being whipped up by the lockdowners in March, we have had 4,000 deaths.

4000 deaths despite "the longest and strictest restrictions in the world"..

Windmill100000

Cork2021 wrote: »

Excellent data once again from Israel

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1363171631703687171?s=21

Thanks so much for posting that. I'm a HCW two weeks post-vaccine. I hadn't realised the stats were so good, so again, thank you.

Jim_Hodge

theballz wrote: »

My dad got vaccinated today, I’ve seen him since Xmas. Is it wrong that I shed a little tear?

Not in the slightest. I may shed one myself when I get it.

Ficheall

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Well based on the projections of 1m doses per month in Q2, and 1.1m or so done to the end of March, we will be mostly through the first 12 groups by the end of July 2021 and group 13 will be starting to ramp up.

Well, I'll be very pleasantly surprised if they/you're right

Windmill100000

b0nk1e wrote: »

In the first lockdown people were scared of the unknown and pretty much stayed at home.

This time, people know that vaccines are here, that they're unlikely to get the virus, that if they get it they're unlikely to get sick from it, if they get sick they're unlikely to be hospitalised, and if they get hospitalised they're unlikely to die.

Far from the "250,000 will die" hysteria that was being whipped up by the lockdowners in March, we have had 4,000 deaths.

People were terrorised into compliance first time. Now, as we enter the fourth month of our three-week lockdown, people are angry. And angry voters are voters who won't listen.

It was hysteria back then. None of us knew what we were dealing with, so the hysteria was understandable. I dont know why this is seen as a negative.

hotmail.com

Ficheall wrote: »

4000 deaths despite "the longest and strictest restrictions in the world"..

A failure on every count. Long and cruel lockdown, high deaths, huge economic shock and vaccine slowness.

What a disaster.

jackboy

hotmail.com wrote: »

A failure on every count. Long and cruel lockdown, high deaths, huge economic shock and vaccine slowness.

What a disaster.

Yet we still have people here claiming our approach is a success. I don’t know if it’s delusion or Stockholm syndrome.

Dubit11

Huge numbers again i see. The amount of people out and about not bothering to adhere to the rules is frightening. I can see us above 2000 a day by the start of March tbh.

Windmill100000

Windmill100000 wrote: »

It was hysteria back then. None of us knew what we were dealing with, so the hysteria was understandable. I dont know why this is seen as a negative.

You can't think why terrorising people by giving interviews to the State broadcaster and the country's largest-circulation newspaper inaccurately stating that one in every 20 people in the country was going to die of Covid is a negative?

Ficheall

jackboy wrote: »

Yet we still have people here claiming our approach is a success. I don’t know if it’s delusion or Stockholm syndrome.

I think most people fall on either side of the "they're imposing too many restrictions" or "they're not choosing/enforcing restrictions well". Top of my head, I can't think of anyone who would deem what we have done a "success", even if it was less crap than some other countries.