Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

iamwhoiam

Turtwig wrote: »

My guess is the latest CMO letter - likely acting CMO letter - mentions the waiting lists in a very different context. A journalist has got a leak of it, or even access to read it, and like all things this pandemic they've not reflected the full context or meaning behind it just went for the snazzy headline to emote a response from as many readers and followers as possible.

Could be wrong.

What he is quoted as saying is " services recommenced " People are running with it and thinking that means " cleared " .They could be recommenced very quickly , obviously not cleared

Bobeagleburger

is_that_so wrote: »

The messaging on that at present is very shabby and more likely to encourage people not to follow them. I've heard anecdotal stuff about some urban areas where mask wearing in shops has all but disappeared.

anecdotal usually means not true when it comes to this thread


BTW, I heard and witnessed everyone wearing a mask in shops I frequent.

is_that_so

6 wrote: »

anecdotal usually means not true when it comes to this thread


BTW, I heard and witnessed everyone wearing a mask in shops I frequent.

It can mean either. The point is this level of compliance will not last a whole lot longer.

jackboy

is_that_so wrote: »

It can mean either. The point is this compliance will not last a whole lot longer.

A fine spell of weather, which can happen as early as March, will put a big strain on the nonsense restrictions such as the 5k rule. If they have any sense they will reduce such restrictions now because when people start breaking restrictions they will break the important ones also.

Locotastic

6 wrote: »

You think the virus will only target the people who that can't be trusted. That's would be ideal, but doesn't work like that as we know.

If people are behaving irresponsibly then yes they are 'more likely' to catch and spread the virus.

hotmail.com

People are wearing masks in shops. Mask usage has been a distraction.

hotmail.com

Those who called for stricter rules should probably shut up now moaning about them.

They wanted level 5 which meant construction closed, shops closed, gyms etc gone.. that's what you wanted.

is_that_so

jackboy wrote: »

A fine spell of weather, which can happen as early as March, will put a big strain on the nonsense restrictions such as the 5k rule. If they have any sense they will reduce such restrictions now because when people start breaking restrictions they will break the important ones also.

I think 100 to maybe 200 cases a day is where there may be some adjustments but the new plan, supposedly on Tuesday, should give clarity. I'd imagine it will be one with clear levels they can apply, not the mish mash we've used since last year.

Martina1991

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What he is quoted as saying is " services recommenced " People are running with it and thinking that means " cleared " .They could be recommenced very quickly , obviously not cleared

I would say this is what was meant.

There will always be waiting lists. It doesn't make sense to wait until they are cleared.

Elective surgeries and outpatient appointments were suspended back in January and will resume in the next couple of weeks.

S**te journalism again.

blade1

is_that_so wrote: »

It can mean either. The point is this level of compliance will not last a whole lot longer.

What's the long term outcome of non compliance by most?

Jinglejangle69

is_that_so wrote: »

I think 100 to maybe 200 cases a day is where there may be some adjustments but the new plan, supposedly on Tuesday, should give clarity. I'd imagine it will be one with clear levels they can apply, not the mish mash we've used since last year.

We won't see those low numbers again until the vaccine is given to the majority.

jackboy

is_that_so wrote: »

I think 100 to maybe 200 cases a day is where there may be some adjustments but the new plan, supposedly on Tuesday, should give clarity. I'd imagine it will be one with clear levels they can apply, not the mish mash we've used since last year.

Don’t forget that the last living with Covid plan lasted one day before being abandoned. Ignore the Tuesday plan. It won’t give clarity and the government won’t follow it.

is_that_so

blade1 wrote: »

What's the long term outcome of non compliance by most?

More mixing and socialising, which this level is trying to minimise and possibly less attention to other measures too. Mainly they'll be telling people to do things which they'll just ignore. That 5km is definitely a red rag to a bull at this stage.

Gruffalux

iamwhoiam wrote: »

This has nothing to do with the here and now .Its is not helpful if someone has worries to dismiss them by saying someone elses worry is much bigger
I learned very quickly as a young student nurse never to dismiss anyones pain or worry because the patients next doors pain was greater .

Yeah my mother says the same. I would just be in the camp that thinks it is not helpful to anyones pain to keep on saying endlessly how terrible everything is. It does not help. In fact it can compound peoples suffering and make it worse. And I have my own pain and worry like everyone else.

Russman

hotmail.com wrote: »

Those who called for stricter rules should probably shut up now moaning about them.

They wanted level 5 which meant construction closed, shops closed, gyms etc gone.. that's what you wanted.

Nobody “wanted” any of this. Governments around the world are trying to deal with a likely once in a hundred years event, and have broadly speaking, come to similar types of responses. Most people have bought into the responses but some would rather it didn’t effect them at all.

blade1

is_that_so wrote: »

More mixing and socialising, which this level is trying to minimise and possibly less attention to other measures too. Mainly they'll be telling people to do things which they'll just ignore. That 5km is definitely a red rag to a bull at this stage.

Disease wise I mean.

Happydays2020

The Israeli reopening is linking vaccinations to access to services. That might be the win win for business and people.


From the IT

Gyms, pools, cinemas and restaurants are reopening for people who have received two doses of the coronavirus vaccine.

Israel unveiled its plan to allow those who have been vaccinated to attend cultural events, fly abroad and patronise restaurants and health clubs by using a “green badge” app on Saturday ahead of the reopening of the economy.

Mark1916

https://twitter.com/business/status/1363460186711744512?s=21

Good news on a Sunday!

is_that_so

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

We won't see those low numbers again until the vaccine is given to the majority.

Which means this arrangement till mid-summer, something that is not really feasible. It's not just cases, it's hospitalisations too; they are the primary reason for these restrictions. We are now heading for 700 and are under 150 in ICU. Once that falls away to very low levels and the early UK and Israeli data suggests that will happen, the number of mild cases will not be so important, even if it's 500 a day.

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The Israeli reopening is linking vaccinations to access to services. That might be the win win for business and people.

Gyms, pools, cinemas and restaurants are reopening for people who have received two doses of the coronavirus vaccine.

From the IT

Israel unveiled its plan to allow those who have been vaccinated to attend cultural events, fly abroad and patronise restaurants and health clubs by using a “green badge” app on Saturday ahead of the reopening of the economy.

Not if you can't bring your kids to the library or shopping!

Jinglejangle69

is_that_so wrote: »

Which means this arrangement till mid-summer, something that is not really feasible. It's not just cases, it's hospitalisations too; they are the primary reason for these restrictions. We are now heading for 700 and are under 150 in ICU. Once that falls away to very low levels and the early UK and Israeli data suggests that will happen, the number of mild cases will not be so important, even if it's 500 a day.

Hopefully.

Gruffalux

Turtwig wrote: »

Suffering is always and will always be subjective. You can never compare a person's level of suffering. How they perceive it and how you think they perceive it are two very different things. Every experiences stress differently, has had different life experiences prior to that stress, they also have different measures of support and coping. It's a very dangerous thing to ever suggest someone's suffering is worse than another.

You are not wrong in people shouldn't ruminate into their own circle of misery. That's very dangerous. They should indeed focus on fostering resilience, but I feel you're going too far in suggesting historic suffering was worse or something. Suffering is suffering. Hardship is hardship. Whether someone is a billionaire or penniless they can suffer.

I think suffering happens on a scale. That is not heartless. It is an objective fact. Someone with children who are starving to death in Yemen right now and whose house is in rubble is suffering exponentially more than most of us. There are some with mental health issues who suffer more bùt most of us are not suffering unbearably. And I say that as someone who has personally gone through unbearably dark tough times over a long period of years in the past. Even still, with what I have experienced, I know suffering is on a scale and rational perspective is a powerful tool to maintain resilience.

Cluedo Monopoly

The hotel quarantine will be operational in the next 'number of weeks' according to OGorman just now. Jaysus they are so slow.

Plumbthedepths

Gruffalux wrote: »

I think suffering happens on a scale. That is not heartless. It is an objective fact. Someone with children who are starving to death in Yemen right now and whose house is in rubble is suffering exponentially more than most of us. There are some with mental health issues who suffer more bùt most of us are not suffering unbearably. And I say that as someone who has personally gone through unbearably dark tough times over a long period of years in the past. Even still, with what I have experienced, I know suffering is on a scale and rational perspective is a powerful tool to maintain resilience.

I get the feeling you're dying to say 'just suck it up' but have the sense not to.

CalamariFritti

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So goalposts have been moved now and it's hospital waiting lists has to be reduced now.

How are hospital lists our responsibility? Is the government going to help us out with anything at all or just put all the work on us?

All our work over the past few weeks will be undone because people are fed up with this and they know it. Yet, the government won't do anything to keep it out. We want our life back as much as possible. It's about time they do something themselves and stop inviting infection in.

Careful now. You'll turn into an anti-restrictions voice next.

is_that_so

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The hotel quarantine will be operational in the next 'number of weeks' according to OGorman just now. Jaysus they are so slow.

Legislation takes time, legal advice, Ts & Is etc.! The last thing you want is for it to be referred to the SC!

Doctor Jimbob

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The hotel quarantine will be operational in the next 'number of weeks' according to OGorman just now. Jaysus they are so slow.

They're never going to actually implement this. It just keeps getting pushed back. Meanwhile the rest of us can't go more than 5km from our homes and the variants these people are bringing in are being used as a reason to keep us under restrictions for longer.

5k bad, 5000k good.

bluelamp

SeaMermaid wrote: »

Covid is going to spread like wildfire from now. It definitely feels like a piss into the wind against all the measures we took over the past year.

In fairness it does look like there is a seasonal aspect to this, January would be a bad month for respiratory illness in general.

Thinking back to last summer - there were probably twenty times the number of flights coming in to Ireland, we were all travelling around the country, restaurants, hairdressers, all retail etc were open - and our cases remained tiny until the winter.

We will be spending more time outdoors from next month on too which will help a lot.

Christy42

is_that_so wrote: »

Legislation takes time, legal advice, Ts & Is etc.! The last you want is for it to be referred to the SC!

It doesn't if required quickly. We have had legislation passed quickly before and could be done again. I remember when there was a loophole in drug laws it was fixed in a day.

They need to stop hiding behind red tape. Pass it, if it ends up in front of the SC change it before the ruling comes in and it ends up being in force the entire time.

It is utterly frustrating to see people do good work to stop this (not all people it has to be said) only to have those in charge make a mess of it.

Gruffalux

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I get the feeling you're dying to say 'just suck it up' but have the sense not to.

Thats just your projection. I intend to be helpful. Some people respond to maibtaining perspective as a reasonable way to cope with suffering.
The ones who dont get help that way may take comfort from the others who bang the drums constantly but in different ways of how dreadful everything always is everywhere.