Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Doctors room ghost

Kha1993 wrote: »

So today so far

- NPHET letter leaked to Sunday times
- NPHET’s Philip Nolan speculating on what summer will look like on radio
- Finance Minister hinting at easing on TV/radio.

It’s contemptuous at this point. There’s a massive information vacuum and it’s being filled by constant contradictory information and odd interviews. Terrible leadership from all involved.

It’s a Mickey Mouse setup with some of the biggest clowns in the country pulling the strings.
The leak set the bar low early on and no sanction against him.he should be ashamed of himself.
How he’s still in a job and not facing criminal investigation is beyond me.

is_that_so

Sanjuro wrote: »

What was he saying?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0221/1198384-vaccination-roll-out/

Plumbthedepths

Turtwig wrote: »

Lobby groups, members of the electorate all run to the media.

You've also moved the goalpost? Your original issue was NPHET members speaking to the media. Now you've tacked on "first".

It is the governments job to impose or lift restrictions, when did it become Nphets job to advise the public of what restrictions they are seeking to impose or lift?

Sanjuro

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0221/1198384-vaccination-roll-out/

Thanks for the link!

Patches oHoulihan

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No member of Nphet should be talking to the media. Theirs is an advisory role to government something which Messer's Holohan,. Glynn and Nolan have forgotten.

They are running the country and running us into a hell of mental health issues that seem to be totally ignored.

The 5km rule achieves what exactly? Why is me taking my kids to the local park vs taking them to somewhere else outdoors more than 5km away.
It makes no ****ing sense where i am outdoors when I am keeping away from people.

I am tired of listening to the same **** every day when there is no offering of anything positive from them.

1 year in and the answer is still to lock everyone up

caveat emptor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My own opinion is returning citizens with a negative PCR test should isolate at their own permanent residence and end their isolation after a further negative PCR test after 5 days.
Travel has been demonized and provides a useful deflection tactic for the government.

Yeah right. That has worked great so far.

Turtwig

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It is the governments job to impose or lift restrictions, when did it become Nphets job to advise the public of what restrictions they are seeking to impose or lift?

What?

I'm can't understand your post.

You stated NPHET members shouldn't be speaking in the media.

Are you standing by that statement or modifying it to something different?

MerlinSouthDub

One thing that has to stop is members of NPHET going on the airwaves to tell us what the restrictions will be. NPHET have zero decision making power, they are an advisory body and the government makes the decisions.

Doctors room ghost

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

They are running the country and running us into a hell of mental health issues that seem to be totally ignored.

The 5km rule achieves what exactly? Why is me taking my kids to the local park vs taking them to somewhere else outdoors more than 5km away.
It makes no ****ing sense where i am outdoors when I am keeping away from people.

I am tired of listening to the same **** every day when there is no offering of anything positive from them.

1 year in and the answer is still to lock everyone up

Lock up paddy Irishman and tell him if he’s a good man we will soon flatten the old curve you mean.
Meanwhile leave airports open and let any fcuker who wants to travel in.I’m fed up of the whole fcukin lot

wadacrack

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0221/1198384-vaccination-roll-out/

It dosent sound that bad tbh. No worse than what we already know. People just been outraged again for the sake of it. If the Government listened to NPHET we would been a far better situation

Plumbthedepths

Turtwig wrote: »

What?

I'm can't understand your post.

You stated NPHET members shouldn't be speaking in the media.

Are you standing by that statement or modifying it to something different?

It's quite simple but I suspect you are deliberately acting as if you don't know what I am saying. Nphets job is to advise the government on the actions needed to contain the virus. In my opinion they should not be running to the media with what restrictions should be imposed or lifted that is the governments job. By all means if they wish to discuss vaccines, variants fine. The policy of restrictions is a government function not a remit of Nphet. Last October demonstrated quite clearly that Holohan believes he runs the country.

caveat emptor

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

One thing that has to stop is members of NPHET going on the airwaves to tell us what the restrictions will be. NPHET have zero decision making power, they are an advisory body and the government makes the decisions.

Would you prefer that they are censored? That would be good for government I suppose. For instance pre Christmas we wouldn't know that NPHET advised that hospitality could be reopened OR household visits could resume not both. Government went for cake and eat it approach and we now how that worked out.

If NPHET was censured the government would have plausible deniability.

ninebeanrows

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah right. That has worked great so far.

Hold on a minute? You are comparing the above socializing of a couple with an incoming passenger who has tested negative for COVID and is isolating for 5 days pending a second PCR test? Seriously?

retro:electro

Cork2021 wrote: »

This is turning into an absolute farce! Who died and put Nolan in charge? I’m sick of this constant kite flying!

https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1363478971699101699?s=21

Thank you so much Sir Philip Nolan for giving us permission to breathe air outside this summer

MerlinSouthDub

caveat emptor wrote: »

Would you prefer that they are censored? That would be good for government I suppose. For instance pre Christmas we wouldn't know that NPHET advised that hospitality could be reopened OR household visits could resume not both. Government went for cake and eat it approach and we now how that worked out.

If NPHET was censured the government would have plausible deniability.

I would prefer if they understood their role, it's not hard. Advising the government on the impact of various potential scenarios is what they should be doing. Telling the government what to do via the airwaves is not their job.

ninebeanrows

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Lock up paddy Irishman and tell him if he’s a good man we will soon flatten the old curve you mean.
Meanwhile leave airports open and let any fcuker who wants to travel in.I’m fed up of the whole fcukin lot

Airports open!? Anybody arriving in has to have had a negative PCR and self-isolate for 14 days.

Sealing the borders does not equal opening up society - you do realise that?

Turtwig

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's quite simple but I suspect you are deliberately acting as if you don't know what I am saying. Nphets job is to advise the government on the actions needed to contain the virus. In my opinion they should not be running to the media with what restrictions should be imposed or lifted that is the governments job. By all means if they wish to discuss vaccines, variants fine. The policy of restrictions is a government function not a remit of Nphet. Last October demonstrated quite clearly that Holohan believes he runs the country.

Ah ok I think I get you now.

You've no problem with them speaking to the media but it should really be after announcements rather in advance?

I hope you can understand why I thought from
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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No member of Nphet should be talking to the media.

You were referring to a complete void of their appearances.

Patches oHoulihan

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Airports open!? Anybody arriving in has to have had a negative PCR and self-isolate for 14 days.

Sealing the borders does not equal opening up society - you do realise that?

Has to self isolate or actually does self isolate??

Patches oHoulihan

caveat emptor wrote: »

Would you prefer that they are censored? That would be good for government I suppose. For instance pre Christmas we wouldn't know that NPHET advised that hospitality could be reopened OR household visits could resume not both. Government went for cake and eat it approach and we now how that worked out.

If NPHET was censured the government would have plausible deniability.

So what if they have plausible deniability?
What does that even mean in context of government? They lie about everything else why not this **** show they are presiding over?

ninebeanrows

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

Has to self isolate or actually does self isolate??

I thought self-isolation is now legally enforceable from red list countries?

mr zulu

Does anybody miss 2020, I do.

AdamD

The summer of house parties, whilst business dies a death. Plenty of people in their 20s restricting movements as they live with parents, that will not happen when their parents get vaccinated. There will end up being a large gap between what's allowed and what's actually happening. They'll be keeping hospitality shut for little benefit

ninebeanrows

Just because they let Tom, Dick and Harry in from London over Christmas when cases there were soaring without a COVID test and advisory self-isolation doesn't mean going to the extreme end of the spectrum is the right move.

We now have mandatory preflight negative PCR testing for all arrivals and legally enforceable quarantine for red list countries.

You really feel we should go further? That's not a road we should go down.

Gruffalux

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9283471/Glasses-wearers-three-times-likely-catch-Covid-people-without-spectacles.html

That's mad. Research from India shows people who wear glasses are two to three times less likely to catch Covid.
Last year a Chinese study found people who got covid were 5 times less likely to wear glasses than the general population.

Away With The Fairies

Gruffalux wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9283471/Glasses-wearers-three-times-likely-catch-Covid-people-without-spectacles.html

That's mad. Research from India shows people who wear glasses are two to three times less likely to catch Covid.
Last year a Chinese study found people who got covid were 5 times less likely to wear glasses than the general population.

So it can get into the eyes then? Shouldn't we all be wearing goggles?

Gruffalux

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So it can get into the eyes then? Shouldn't we all be wearing goggles?

If one must, I think something sexier than goggles can be found.

jam_mac_jam

Gruffalux wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9283471/Glasses-wearers-three-times-likely-catch-Covid-people-without-spectacles.html

That's mad. Research from India shows people who wear glasses are two to three times less likely to catch Covid.
Last year a Chinese study found people who got covid were 5 times less likely to wear glasses than the general population.

That's very interesting. I should be less vain and wear my glasses all the time like I should be.

Makes sense though.

Gruffalux

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's very interesting. I should be less vain and wear my glasses all the time like I should be.

Makes sense though.

I only wear mine for driving. But maybe some nice sunglasses if out and about might be an option :cool: And if people say you look like a berk for wearing them in Lidl, I can say it's covid protection.

Away With The Fairies

Gruffalux wrote: »

I only wear mine for driving. But maybe some nice sunglasses if out and about might be an option :cool: And if people say you look like a berk for wearing them in Lidl, I can say it's covid protection.

Thing I don't understand. I thought that touching items isn't much of a risk anymore. But glasses wearers touch their eyes less, so makes me think you can pick it up on your hands and transfer it to your mouth, nose and eyes.

hmmm

Cork2021 wrote: »

Well it’s grand if you’ve the space, but how many pubs/ restaurants have that capability? Not too many around my area or within 20km!

There's no excuse not to start planning for this now. Close off roads, provide coverings.

We won't because we didn't last year and apparently the claim was "we don't have the climate for it", so they will have to stay closed. Last year I blamed the government and local councils for this, but this year I blame the hospitality industry organisations for not lobbying to get the infrastructure in place for Summer. We know from the disaster at Christmas that indoor-anything is a long way from opening, and there's no point giving out about it during a pandemic.