Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

WoollyRedHat

brickster69 wrote: »

Just as they gave 1 million vaccines away to Kenya.

Was that the.AZ vaccines?

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://idahocafe.tumblr.com/post/643723682811887616/a-few-carefully-chosen-words-to-our-taoiseach-we

Reasoned and calm

Fair play to them

brickster69

giveitholly wrote: »

If this is Britains roadmap out of lockdown then it will put some pressure on MM and co

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

Thank God, imagine going on holiday without having to throw German towels in the pool every morning.

GeorgeBailey

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

That's not offering anything at all really. Realistically people can and do meet up outdoors as things stand. It's happening in parks all around me for sure. It's easy to spot the people carefully staying apart catching up over a takeaway coffee. It's all very safe and if I had someone worth meeting within my 5k I'd be doing it too.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Worth putting these figures in context.

If Ireland were the size of the United States, we would currently have 270,000 deaths.

Therefore if Ireland had just double current deaths (8,000 or 0.16% of the population), we would have 540,000 deaths.

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lawred2 wrote: »

It really wasn't worth doing that

If we had a population of a billion, and the 0.08% of the population who have died went up by a factor of just one hundred, we would have had EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION deaths already.

brickster69

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Was that the.AZ vaccines?

Not all but a fair chunk, as well as to some others.

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

Time to abolish NPHET in its current formation.

mcburns07

Deleted User wrote: »

Worth putting these figures in context.

If Ireland were the size of the United States, we would currently have 270,000 deaths.

Therefore if Ireland had just double current deaths (8,000 or 0.16% of the population), we would have 540,000 deaths.

So if were twice as bad as the US we'd have 40k more deaths than them.

What point are you trying to make here :pac:

SCOOP 64

just seen RTE news , looks like a clip from Summer 2019 , that was today:pac:

Richard Hillman

One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

Stheno

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

Are they going to stop that?

boardise

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

And Mary Magdalen dried His tears.

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Richard Hillman wrote: »

One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

Terrible take away from all of this.

While I agree that some made over the top predictions about this pandemic at the beginning, I don't think that's reason to shut down all health based scientific opinion going forward.

They don't make the call to raise prices or reduce sugar, they give facts and the decision makers decide on the action.

retro:electro

Stheno wrote: »

But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

Are they going to stop that?

You can only meet another household outside now for exercise, so I think they’re saying we might be able to meet not only for exercises purposes, but to maybe enjoy sitting in a park with another household or having a picnic in the open air by July!

We are so lucky!!

mean gene

Government has now lost the propaganda war on this due to us being stuck to 5km and leaving brazilians and others from red zones fly in anytime they want

emo72

The Phoenix Park was jammers today. People are losing hope.

Patches oHoulihan

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

NPHET can **** off 😀
Keep people motivated ?
More like drive us over the edge

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

But the guidelines currently say you can meet one other household outside for exercise?

Are they going to stop that?

Maybe meet upto 3 households?

Afaik.this was uk few weeks ago

PmMeUrDogs

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

:pac: It's hilarious that they think people who have partners living elsewhere will go from December to May or June without seeing them in an indoor setting.


It's not feasible.

Patches oHoulihan

mean gene wrote: »

Government has now lost the propaganda war on this due to us being stuck to 5km and leaving brazilians fly in anytime they want

Whats the 5km achieving ?
Nowhere is open anyway so being outdoors is surely the same wherever you are?

FintanMcluskey

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

Agree completely

They really cried wolf with the Covid prediction’s

Coybig_

Faugheen wrote: »

I haven’t disputed any of what you have said.

My point is that most of those who shout ‘mental health’ don’t actually give a sh*te and they are bored of looking at the same four walls.

You see loads of people giving out about the mental health pandemic but not one of them claims to be suffering themselves. They use it as a political tool because they want to reopen.

This is the one of the more egregious pieces of trash I have read in this thread. A load of presumptious, accusatory nonsense.

You are in absolutely no position to say what state anybodies mental health is in. Is somebody only allowed to be concerned about mental health if they, themselves suffer from poor mental health? Does every comment about mental health need to be prefaced with a disclaimer that they are suffering from poor mental health?

Thankfully enough the almost fanatical worship of these lockdowns by a certain cohort of posters is becoming an outlier on these forums.

Mimon

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One thing we have definitely learned from this is that health officials tend to exaggerate a lot.

So when some boffin comes out and says raising the price of alcohol will save a X Lives, a sugar tax will reduce obesity by X, lowering the speed limit will save X lives, let us remember that they are talking ****e. And the figures will be nowhere near what they are saying.

It's NPHETs job to look after public health and yes they do IMHO spin it too negatively for effect.

You're trying to assert that science is rubbish though. Yeh forget about the last 300 years of developments in science that have improved the average persons standard of living, health etc. immeasurably.

Richard Hillman

I know people saying disband NPHET is deemed reactionary or without thought but genuinely, why do we still need them?

Sure the government know enough by now to work off case numbers, deaths, hospitalizations and R Numbers. Surely they understand them by now.

If new variants are found, they can go to individual virologists. They don't need the whole band together for that.

How will things get worse if government disband them? I can't think of anything

How will things get better? They won't have these cowboys running to the media telling them what to do, leaking things to media and generally trying to be Billy Big Bollox.

ednwireland

first decent day for ages saw lots of people out and about. nice to see people out.

gw80

retro:electro wrote: »

On the news just now, the reporter said “NPHET said some outdoor mixing of households will also be looked at down the line, possibly by early summer as an incentive to keep people motivated under level 5”

Are we supposed to be thankful for this? Wow NPHET, we are not worthy.

Jesus fcuking wept.

Haha, those NPHET boys really crack me up,
Gowlbags the lot of them.

AlmightyCushion

emo72 wrote: »

The Phoenix Park was jammers today. People are losing hope.

I was there for a while earlier. From what I seen, there was a few people about but definitely wasn't jammers.

CalamariFritti

Gruffalux wrote: »

This is incorrect. Coming up on 1900 deaths in the past 7 and a half weeks was not inevitable. Other countries did not experience spikes anywhere as dramatic as ours around midwinter. We absolutely shot up to the top of the world league surpassing even the disastrous UK and became quite infamous for it worldwide in January. Only Portugal seems to have rivalled us with their post Christmas spike. There would have been a second wave due to winter, and indoor confinement and some seasonal socialising, but the extraordinary level of the spike and the number of deaths was absolutely not inevitable.

Ah well, aren't we always trying to be top at something?

Joking aside I think it was avoidable to a small degree technically but not practically.

One reason are the many people living/working abroad who always come home for Christmas.
Another reason was Christmas itself.
Another reason was the (in my opinion) stupid and hasty October lockdown that raised expectations for Christmas rightly or wrongly.

Some mitigation may have been possible but there would have been a spike no matter what. Other countries didnt relax for Christmas or actually went into lockdown for Christmas and they had big spikes too. How big or small ours could have been and in what scenarios is now academical anyway. But avoidable is the wrong word in any case.

In terms of the Christmas period I think the only actual mistake was the October lockdown and the whole communication around it and the Christmas period.

Thinking about it communication seems NPHET's and the governments biggest problem overall, Too many cooks in the kitchen, too many people who cant stay off the airwaves. Too many people who feel they need to be saying or doing something.

Mimon

gw80 wrote: »

Haha, those NPHET boys really crack me up,
Gowlbags the lot of them.

I see the intellectuals have joined the debate

Coybig_

Mimon wrote: »

It's NPHETs job to look after public health and yes they do IMHO spin it too negatively for effect.

You're trying to assert that science is rubbish though. Yeh forget about the last 300 years of developments in science that have improved the average persons standard of living, health etc. immeasurably.

If it is NPHET's job to look after Public Health (which shockingly enough, involves far more than just COVID-19) then they are catastrophically failing and should be immediately relieved from their duties.