Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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Ryan at it again.....

‘New variant more infectious among children’ – Trinity professor says schools only safe when community is

https://www.independent.ie/news/new-variant-more-infectious-among-children-trinity-professor-says-schools-only-safe-when-community-is-40117845.html

stephenjmcd

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If they give us dates and targets we will miss them, it's guaranteed.

They are best off leaving it vague. Even the UK plan is specific in so far as it's saying "no earlier than". Funny that people are reading what they want to read "on this date this will certainly happen".

They have a plan with clear objectives. We have nothing nor will we get anything resembling a plan tomorrow.

Yes they may have bumps in the road but they have something to aim towards

Coybig_

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

Yawn.

MrMusician18

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they are reading an actual plan, where we have none.

Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

Dates and targets that will certainly be missed simply because they exist.

Loafing Oaf

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

Did I just read the words 'comprehensive plan' and 'Boris Johnson' in the same sentence?

The guy's a spoofer. As in many occasions in the past, he's telling his electorate what they want to hear.

His handling of the pandemic to date has been catastrophic, and if it weren't for the success of the Oxford vaccine (which they bet the farm on, don't forget) things would be looking quite bleak for the UK.

I hope it works out for them, but wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if things fall flat.

Yes but he has every incentive to 'keep the good times rolling' by reopening things on schedule, even if vaccinations/case numbers are not hitting the hoped-for targets. The Brits seem to take pretty eye-watering levels of death and hospitalisation in their stride, so I doubt he'll get much flak even if there's another mini-surge.

FutureGuy

The problem is this is seemingly never-ending. There is no end date in sight even though numbers have vastly imported.

People are off visiting friends and family outdoors outside of the 5km. Friends are meeting outdoors for coffees.

The fact that the UK now have a plan will make everyone even more agitated.

stephenjmcd

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

It's already been well leaked that there won't be dates on ours nor the setting of targets. Unless they look at the UK this evening and change last minute

FutureGuy

Plenty of tourists in Limerick yesterday by the way.

Loafing Oaf

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

James McLean could do with some cheering up alright

is_that_so

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Our revised one is coming tomorrow. No doubt it will be full of self defeating targets and dates to keep the wingers happy.

Dates and targets that will certainly be missed simply because they exist.

It's likely just an update on the one that was made up with post-it notes so that levels will match restrictions. Even if they had indicative periods like the UK one that would be progress but it would be quite a surprise to hear it even mentioned. Whatever else can levelled at Varadkar he's way better with the touchy feely stuff than Martin.

Plumbthedepths

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

Everyone? Some absolute rubbish posted here by you.

retro:electro

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

There was a multitude of variables involved in why Christmas went the way it did.
We were promised a meaningful Christmas if we behaved and locked down for 6 weeks before restrictions were lifted. We weren’t out a wet week before we were threatened with more lockdowns so people made the most of the time they were given. People hadn’t seen family in months. We had an influx of travel and as a result of that we imported a collection of new variants, one that was far more transmissible than the one that had previously been dominant. We were in the height of the busiest times for hospitals anyway as seasonal illnesses usually surge in Dec/Jan and this is always the case every single year, Covid aside. It was a recipe for disaster in its entirety and it probably would have happened either way, as most people simply were not prepared to sacrifice Christmas after the year we had. So yeah, after a year of restricted movement people had the gall to visit family and enjoy themselves somewhat, as sanctioned by government when they decided to open things up.
The cheek of them. You’d swear people were going around spitting on people and licking them in the streets the way you’re casting judgement.

Anyway, the whole Christmas thing has been done to death at this stage. It happened. Move on.

seamus

hynesie08 wrote: »

I can't see level 4 happening without a few delays, but.... There is no reason why we can't have a similar timeline, 2-3 weeks behind them.

Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking. You see a lot of "at the earliest" in UK plans, which gives them room to delay it by a couple of weeks. Which they will. The UK has always overpromised and underdelivered; their electorate tolerate it.

People will look at the UK's timeline and wonder why Ireland can't do the same, but I think in reality once the UK have delayed theirs by 3 weeks, there won't be more than a week or 3 in the difference between us and them reopening.

Sentiment will be the main differentiator - whether people think the Government set out a plan that could be achieved, or just made ad-hoc decisions to avoid having to set expectations.

This new "living with Covid" plan will be telling. If they don't set out something people can work with, then the activity across the Irish Sea will make the government look ridiculous.

snowgal

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's already been well leaked that there won't be dates on ours nor the setting of targets. Unless they look at the UK this evening and change last minute

That is really what Im hoping from this. That MM and Leo saw that and thought sh&t, ours looks absolutely prison like, we have to at least let people outside their 5km before July now......Im (maybe naively) kinda hopeful now that tomorrow and just in general, will be kind of on a par with this. Id be very happy if MM announced what Boris did today. at least its an idea, knowing that things can change but still.....

political analyst

Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.

bennyl10

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What got us here in the first place, oh yeah, everyone doing whatever the hell they wanted at Christmas.

we were told travel at xmas wasnt an issue, so people travelled.

Personal responsibility sure, but lets for a second make it out that people didn't follow what was allowed



The UK announcement is what we should be looking to do tomorrow, cant wait to just get a vert broad outline with no actual plan in it

MrMusician18

FutureGuy wrote: »

The problem is this is seemingly never-ending. There is no end date in sight even though numbers have vastly imported.

People are off visiting friends and family outdoors outside of the 5km. Friends are meeting outdoors for coffees.

The fact that the UK now have a plan will make everyone even more agitated.

I'm not arguing that compliance isn't poor, it is. Aside from the post Christmas reality check case explosion, it's been poor since May last year.

Give people hope, is the clamour, but is there anything worse than giving false hope?

We will reopen when cases are steady and stable in the double digits and/or hospitalisation is low. There is no mystery here. This will come with mass vaccination.

Plumbthedepths

FutureGuy wrote: »

Plenty of tourists in Limerick yesterday by the way.

They must have been lost, no one would willingly go to Limerick.

is_that_so

political analyst wrote: »

Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.

Over 13,000 Brazilians living here legally, the vast majority are not in meat factories.

Plumbthedepths

political analyst wrote: »

Have the meat factories here still bringing workers in from Brazil during the pandemic? If they are, why has the government still allowed them to? The name of a certain well-known businessman who is a major player in the beef industry is trending on Twitter.

The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?

FlubberJones

Agreeing with some posts above, people in Ireland are going to be hearing all about the UK plan to get out of this ****ty mire... and if the plebs in charge fill the country with more threats and dread and menaces they will be in for a surprise... people will totally stop listening and their ****ty lockdown will fail... again.

bennyl10

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I'm not arguing that compliance isn't poor, it is. Aside from the post Christmas reality check case explosion, it's been poor since May last year.

Give people hope, is the clamour, but is there anything worse than giving false hope?

We will reopen when cases are steady and stable in the double digits and/or hospitalisation is low. There is no mystery here. This will come with mass vaccination.

why cant we follow what our nearest neighbour has now done?

Double digits wont happen for months and that level of buy-in wont happen without some kind of timeline

Rebelbrowser

snowgal wrote: »

That is really what Im hoping from this. That MM and Leo saw that and thought sh&t, ours looks absolutely prison like, we have to at least let people outside their 5km before July now......Im (maybe naively) kinda hopeful now that tomorrow and just in general, will be kind of on a par with this. Id be very happy if MM announced what Boris did today. at least its an idea, knowing that things can change but still.....

No way ours will be as hopeful / optimistic but agree that the timing of this UK plan must change ours. They will know that saying nothing will change, at all, until May at earliest just won't fly now when up the road there is a completely different story.

Klonker

I'm actually jealous of and delighted for the UK at the same time.

What's the betting our announcement tomorrow will be pushed back to later in the week so they can scramble together a more optimistic plan.

timmyntc

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?

The beef baron, a good man

political analyst

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The same guy who is an uncle to Simon Coveney's wife?

I don't know but he's well-known because of a tribunal that was set-up after an edition of World In Action 30 years ago.

Knex*

Knex* wrote: »

Long before covid I remember reading about how most flus are contracted via the eyes.

Anyone who watched ER will tell you that, remember they'd wear a visor when dealing with Trauma patients who are HIV positive? one open artery and you catch one in the eye.
Anywhere there's a mucus membrane on the body, you can pick it up. everywhere else the skin is like a wet suit, it's supposed to be quite impermeable, what's why we wash our hands all the time, so we don't put them in our ears, nose, eyes...ARSE!! catch a sneeze from someone even if you're masked up and you can still blink and not miss it!

bennyl10

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They must have been lost, no one would willingly go to Limerick.

ah look, limerick is bad jokes

they didn't get old 20 years ago or anything

political analyst

is_that_so wrote: »

Over 13,000 Brazilians living here legally, the vast majority are not in meat factories.

A musician called John H asked on Twitter whether Brazilian meat-factory workers brought in by that businessman were bringing variants of the virus into Ireland.

Rebelbrowser

FlubberJones wrote: »

Agreeing with some posts above, people in Ireland are going to be hearing all about the UK plan to get out of this ****ty mire... and if the plebs in charge fill the country with more threats and dread and menaces they will be in for a surprise... people will totally stop listening and their ****ty lockdown will fail... again.

I personally think MMs comments since last Thursday have already fatally undermined the present lockdown. I'm uber law abiding, I live in a nice house, I can wfh easily and have had no paycut, so I will stick with it - but many more won't. Rubicon has been crossed I fear....