Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Plumbthedepths

It's quite amusing to watch the negativity on display here to the UK roadmap, almost like there is hope it fails.

Psychedelic Hedgehog

The UK government’s own advisers don’t seem very confident.

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1363888315997556740?s=21

caveat emptor

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

The UK government’s own advisers don’t seem very confident.

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1363888315997556740?s=21

I think that was dated feb 7th. The studies released today have changed the situation.

When the situation has changed. You should update your plan.

Briefing on bbc going through those studies now.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963400/S1116_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_modelling_on_scenario_for_easing_restrictions.pdf



edit: when the situation changes you should also update your avatar.

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

The UK government’s own advisers don’t seem very confident.

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1363888315997556740?s=21

It strikes me that those assumptions don’t take account of reduced transmission with the vaccine

Psychedelic Hedgehog

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think that was dated feb 7th. The studies released today have changed the situation.

When the situation has changed. You should update your plan.

Fair enough. As I stated earlier, I honestly hope it works for them, but remain to be convinced.

giveitholly

marno21 wrote: »

I had the radio on in the car and I switched from Capital Liverpool’s news about nightclubs reopening back to Today FM shortly after 5. 20 minutes of Staines & Killeen telling us Level 5 until autumn, vaccines won’t work in the medium term and the only answer is a Zero-Covid approach. The words “broken” and “record” come to mind.

If this shíte continues uncontested daily on the radio it’s going to ensure people stop complying with restrictions and drive morale down even lower. It’s downright irresponsible to have this on all the time. I sat in to the car at 9am this morning and the top story on local news here was Sam McConkey saying the vaccines were useless because of variants. I flicked to Newstalk for 20 minutes of Luke O’Neill giddily telling us about how it’s coming to an end and science is taking us one step closer with every passing day.

The clear plan outlined by the UK (including the caveat of metrics needing to be met) is the right way to go here. It may be ambitious, but the people are at their wits end and it gives them light at the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile I may be able to watch Brits in the pub on Twitter whilst being 5.5km away from home in May if I’m lucky.

Heard that interview on Matt Cooper earlier with Killeen and Staines,they were really saying that vaccines are not the answer and if you were to believe them then we will be in permanent lockdown. Disgraceful from Matt that he didn't have another guest on to challenge the both of them

Goldengirl

I disagree that people are being negative because they want Boris and the UK to fail.
But it is annoying that all along we were the good boys/ girls (:) ) in Europe and the Brits were a fvcking disaster , but now, through through, seemingly , no fault of ours , we are doing badly and sitting twiddling our thumbs while UK looks like they will get to go away on holidays again this summer .

They really are getting to have their cake and eat it , aren't they ?

But they have shown everyone what a real loss of control over this can result in , and how a good vaccination program and strict lockdown can turn it around .
Also how a different direction of leadership can influence all the above and get a diverse population on board
From a prat to a hero in 10 easy steps...first being sack your beloved but perverse adviser .

wadacrack

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's quite amusing to watch the negativity on display here to the UK roadmap, almost like there is hope it fails.

I have not really followed the thread but I find this surprising. Shouldnt we all here hope it succeeds ?. Its likely to be a template we follow only a few weeks later if succesfull. Seems like a reasonable plan aside from the foreign travel.

Thespoofer

Happy for the Brits, hope they see it through, be a great buzz there this Summer if they pull it off.

Morries Wigs

Good luck to the UK hope it goes well fingers crossed love to see fans at games at the end of the season

Coybig_

Hopefully more businesses follow suit. They can shove their restrictions into Christmas and 2022.

Paul Treyvaud on twitter:

I have decided I am opening my restaurant July 1st no matter what. That gives them 4 months to sort out everything. I’ve done everything I’ve been told to do. 55k came in from uk with that variant, now over 1500 from Brazil.

The problem is no longer us. It’s an incompetent Gov

Richard Hillman

The UK are offering good news to people, a bit of hope.

We get nothing but doom and gloom.

That's the difference when you don't turn health officials into celebrities. I have no idea who the Tony Holohan equivalent is in the UK.

America have Fauci and he's been out today telling people that facemask may be around for few years.

They need to f**k into the background

Goldengirl

wadacrack wrote: »

I have not really followed the thread but I find this surprising. Shouldnt we all here hope it succeeds ?. Its likely to be a template we follow only a few weeks later if succesfull. Seems like a reasonable plan aside from the foreign travel.

Absolutely.
They have built in some very good safeguards and intervals of five weeks which will allow them to backtrack at any time if there are any negative trends.
It is " cautious and careful" but it is a plan .

SeaMermaid

The UK doesn't have a plan for rolling out the second doses. Boris Johnson avoided answering a question about what the plan is for second doses. If the first doses will slow down to allow for second doses or if the vaccinations ramp up to allow for both second and first doses. They don't have a plan in place for second vaccine doses.

Beechwoodspark

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's quite amusing to watch the negativity on display here to the UK roadmap, almost like there is hope it fails.

It’s not that it’s just I don’t think there’s a snowball change in hell/fart in a spacesuit chance that the brits will pull it off

It’s typical boris “boosterism” and bluster.

Usually when something he says is too good to be true, it is...

Plumbthedepths

wadacrack wrote: »

I have not really followed the thread but I find this surprising. Shouldnt we all here hope it succeeds ?. Its likely to be a template we follow only a few weeks later if succesfull. Seems like a reasonable plan aside from the foreign travel.

Well apparently you are a niave fangirl if you believe the UK plan may work.

Beechwoodspark

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The UK are offering good news to people, a bit of hope.

We get nothing but doom and gloom.

That's the difference when you don't turn health officials into celebrities. I have no idea who the Tony Holohan equivalent is in the UK.

America have Fauci and he's been out today telling people that facemask may be around for few years.

They need to f**k into the background

Not at all. People should listen to the likes of fauci in the states. It’s a nightmare over there precisely because ppl dismissed him and other experts.

Plumbthedepths

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not that it’s just I don’t think there’s a snowball change in hell/fart in a spacesuit chance that the brits will pull it off

It’s typical boris “boosterism” and bluster.

Usually when something he says is too good to be true, it is...

So you don't believe the reports released today on how the vaccines reduces transmission of the virus and the necessity for hospitalisations? Or that the UK has given the vaccine to roughly a quarter of their population.
So it's all lies eh?

spookwoman

caveat emptor

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The UK are offering good news to people, a bit of hope.

We get nothing but doom and gloom.

That's the difference when you don't turn health officials into celebrities. I have no idea who the Tony Holohan equivalent is in the UK.

America have Fauci and he's been out today telling people that facemask may be around for few years.

They need to f**k into the background

Chris witty I think. This is all based on the effectiveness of vaccine. The R may creep up but as the proportion of people vaccinated increases then the effect is dampened and the risk to hospitalisation and death lessens.

This is a really positive day. UK are absolutely jumping on the news of this real world data.

Putting to one side politics and our own response. That data out of UK can only be good news.

Also Boris in major need of a hair cut.

giveitholly

giveitholly wrote: »

Heard that interview on Matt Cooper earlier with Killeen and Staines,they were really saying that vaccines are not the answer and if you were to believe them then we will be in permanent lockdown. Disgraceful from Matt that he didn't have another guest on to challenge the both of them

I heard that interview. Staines in particular was an absolute disgrace. At one stage Cooper was so astonished by his palpable desperation for the vaccines to fail that he was absolutely speechless for a short time.

We'll probably never know the damage that was done to our vaccination programme today by Staines. But any young and healthy people listening to his "the vaccines won't work" rant will probably have been put off getting themselves vaccinated.

I can't help but think that was exactly his intention.

Boggerman12

marno21 wrote: »

I had the radio on in the car and I switched from Capital Liverpool’s news about nightclubs reopening back to Today FM shortly after 5. 20 minutes of Staines & Killeen telling us Level 5 until autumn, vaccines won’t work in the medium term and the only answer is a Zero-Covid approach. The words “broken” and “record” come to mind.

If this shíte continues uncontested daily on the radio it’s going to ensure people stop complying with restrictions and drive morale down even lower. It’s downright irresponsible to have this on all the time. I sat in to the car at 9am this morning and the top story on local news here was Sam McConkey saying the vaccines were useless because of variants. I flicked to Newstalk for 20 minutes of Luke O’Neill giddily telling us about how it’s coming to an end and science is taking us one step closer with every passing day.

The clear plan outlined by the UK (including the caveat of metrics needing to be met) is the right way to go here. It may be ambitious, but the people are at their wits end and it gives them light at the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile I may be able to watch Brits in the pub on Twitter whilst being 5.5km away from home in May if I’m lucky.

It’s horrendous how the so called professional journalists are allowing these lads peddle this stuff non stop and unchallenged.some of these guys are a bigger danger to society than the virus.

Sweet.Science

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

The UK government’s own advisers don’t seem very confident.

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1363888315997556740?s=21

Don't mind SAGE or NPHET

They would shut down society for eternity if they had the power to do so due to infectious diseases

That's not an exaggeration avoiding illness is a way of life for them . One ill person is one too many

You listen to what they have to say and use it whatever is best for your country

Goldengirl

SeaMermaid wrote: »

The UK doesn't have a plan for rolling out the second doses. Boris Johnson avoided answering a question about what the plan is for second doses. If the first doses will slow down to allow for second doses or if the vaccinations ramp up to allow for both second and first doses. They don't have a plan in place for second vaccine doses.

Yes.
They are starting into 2nd doses from end of Feb so their vaccination schedule will slow accordingly .
Need to vaccinate more than half of the population still , roughly , before they reach herd immunity ?
Anybody better at maths ? ( should be most of you , I would imagine )

Happydays2020

AdamD wrote: »

Its wildly optimistic - in your opinion. Lets get that bit straight.

People loving dismissing the UK on here. They dismissed their vaccination plans, dismissed prioritising first doses, the UK were proven to be clearly correct there. They've also hit their vaccination targets so far so there is no reason to doubt a plan that hinges on the outcome of those targets.

Boris is just the messenger, whether or not they can remove restrictions has little to do with his competency and lots to do with their vaccine rollout which is performing very well.

An important factor now is that ghoul Dominick Cummins is well and truly gone.

SeaMermaid

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you don't believe the reports released today on how the vaccines reduces transmission of the virus and the necessity for hospitalisations? Or that the UK has given the vaccine to roughly a quarter of their population.
So it's all lies eh?

The UK is hardly inspiring. They are over selling their progress out from the pandemic. A quarter of the population are partially vaccinated and they have no real plans for rolling out second doses of vaccine which was demonstrated at tonights briefing and Boris bluffing around a question.

Morries Wigs

b0nk1e wrote: »

I heard that interview. Staines in particular was an absolute disgrace. At one stage Cooper was so astonished by his palpable desperation for the vaccines to fail that he was absolutely speechless for a short time.

We'll probably never know the damage that was done to our vaccination programme today by Staines. But any young and healthy people listening to his "the vaccines won't work" rant will probably have been put off getting themselves vaccinated.

I can't help but think that was exactly his intention.

The virus has got his show record listening figures last few months they want this sh1t to continue these guys are box office for him even if they are spouting sh1t -he doesnt care abt the consequences -before this his show barely got a mention

hotmail.com

Happydays2020 wrote: »

An important factor now is that ghoul Dominick Cummins is well and truly gone.

Cummings argued for an earlier lockdown back last March.

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

An important factor now is that ghoul Dominick Cummins is well and truly gone.

100% That was absolutely going through my head. He was a massive pr!ck by all accounts and wrong footed a whole country.

hotmail.com

Arlene Foster has said our slowness in getting vaccines could affect their reopening phase in the North.