Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

JRant

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If you read the whole article it says exactly what I have repeatedly posted on this thread. The giving of dates as targets has been shown to cause adherence to the restrictions to fall.

They are not fully to give dates if by giving them out sets the plan back. It's that simple. Politically it would be appealing if they could, but at least they are mature enough to recognise they can't.

If the population wasn't collectively so stupid and selfish they might be able to give us a timeline.

A plan without dates or metrics is little more than a wish list and is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. Folks, here's our plan, we may or may not open up certain parts of the country at some time in the future depending on metrics that we can't share with anyone as you were all very naughty little boys and girls months ago.

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers as at 8pm today

676 total (down from 737 yesterday)
154 in ICU (up from 149 yesterday)

Lowest total number since 2 Jan.

CoronaBlocker

Ficheall wrote: »

Glad to hear it. Arghus has been a good contributor to the threads throughout.

You're not wrong - as contributors here go, few have posted more.

JRant

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And all they needed to do was to dust down last year’s opening up plan...throw in dates. Caveat them with vaccination metrics, daily cases, hospital numbers etc....

Don't forget waiting lists and the Variant

jammiedodgers

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They had to wake Eamon a few times and I believe they spent an hour trying to wrestle Leo's phone out of his hands. ( Joke btw ,this may not have happened)

I believe Michael Martin left in a strop for 20 minutes after Leo Varadkar was referred to Taoiseach once again. :pac:

Beechwoodspark

mcburns07 wrote: »

Has your account been hacked or have you lost your mind? Some very strange posts out of you this evening across Boards.

What is strange about me saying Donnelly will be announcing the update tomorrow after cabinet....?

Jim_Hodge

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

You're not wrong - as contributors here go, few have posted more.

It's the quality from him that is his real measure not quantity. Not one for the snide one liner either.

Renault 5

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If the population wasn't collectively so stupid and selfish they might be able to give us a timeline.

I used to think this but I was wrong.

There is no plan.

The Government are only implementing full restrictions for 2 reasons.

1. They have no plan at all

2. They are treating the case numbers as a competition for recognition within the EU.

Nearly everyone I know will finish with invisible restrictions come March.

KrustyUCC

Renault 5 wrote: »

I used to think this but I was wrong.

There is no plan.

The Government are only implementing full restrictions for 2 reasons.

1. They have no plan at all

2. They are treating the case numbers as a competition for recognition within the EU.

Nearly everyone I know will finish with invisible restrictions come March.

Not announcing a plan with dates or metrics is no plan at all

The government will definitely lose compliance with the way they're acting

stephenjmcd

The one bit in the Independent that annoys me,

"But sources in Government Buildings insisted the Irish plan will not contain dates as research shows compliance with restrictions drops when dates are given"

Talk about treating people with disdain, give us something to aim for

MrMusician18

Turtwig wrote: »

Agree in principle. Calling the population stupid is a bit much. So many have sacrificed so much and committed an unbelievable amount of effort.

Many have indeed but many stopped after the first two months after the novelty wore off. Controls were largely voluntary at the start but have had to become increasingly punitive to keep people in line. This could've been all over months ago if we collectively stayed in line. We could have had intercounty travel of the population didn't collectively take the piss at Christmas. Now we are all stuck looking at the same 5km because of all those collective decisions, we could have had an open country at this point.

Now, with the end finally in sight, with really only six to eight weeks of this hard grind left have people agitating to make the same mistakes over again. It's almost like they don't want this to end. The mind boggles.

retro:electro

Stephen Donnelly wasn’t so hopeful about schools opening next week on Claire Byrne. It’s all such a clusterfcuk like honestly

CoronaBlocker

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's the quality from him that is his real measure not quantity. Not one for the snide one liner either.

"...some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls."
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116371333#post116371333

Cork2021

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The one bit in the Independent that annoys me,

"But sources in Government Buildings insisted the Irish plan will not contain dates as research shows compliance with restrictions drops when dates are given"

Talk about treating people with disdain, give us something to aim for

They can’t and won’t! Schools in doubt now according to Donnelly on CBLIVE

Gael23

Compliance will fall drastically.

No plan, no target, no hope. How do you expect people to comply.

Happydays2020

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The one bit in the Independent that annoys me,

"But sources in Government Buildings insisted the Irish plan will not contain dates as research shows compliance with restrictions drops when dates are given"

Talk about treating people with disdain, give us something to aim for

They last time there was a phased reopening numbers did continue to reduce (coinciding with better weather and outdoor activities).

When people were told that everything will open up for 4 weeks and then shut down again, people did kind of enjoy themselves (coinciding with indoor activities and shifty weather at the busiest family time of the year).

TheDoctor

Schools now in doubt next week.

The wheels are coming off.

mcburns07

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The one bit in the Independent that annoys me,

"But sources in Government Buildings insisted the Irish plan will not contain dates as research shows compliance with restrictions drops when dates are given"

Talk about treating people with disdain, give us something to aim for

Sureeeeeeeee

What a convenient piece of research

Gael23

retro:electro wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly wasn’t so hopeful about schools opening next week on Claire Byrne. It’s all such a clusterfcuk like honestly

If schools stay closed and construction opens instead that’s not all bad

SilentGreenx32

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that the plan looks really sensible. Ambitious but not overly so, with plenty of time in between phases, underpinned by the vaccination programme. You can clearly see the scientists’ fingerprints all over it

EXCEPT, for the nightclubs bit. Why that had to be tagged on to the end is beyond me. You go from 6 people from 2 households sitting in a pub in May (which seems sensible and cautious) to nightclubs in June?!?!?

I supposed that given that all adults will have had at least one dose by then, and it’s increasingly clear that negative test and vaccination certs will form part of the plan, it would be hard for Boris to tell his backbenchers that he still does not plan to open certain things. So probably had no choice but to put it in. But it won’t happen and most commentators I have read agree (while also acknowledging that most of the plan is cautious and sensible)

I am against many of the way the government is handling this but even I can see the idea of nightclubs being fully open in June is just not possible and I hope ravers (me included) don't take this as an opportunity to go balls to the wall

Plumbthedepths

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Many have indeed but many stopped after the first two months after the novelty wore off. Controls were largely voluntary at the start but have had to become increasingly punitive to keep people in line. This could've been all over months ago if we collectively stayed in line. We could have had intercounty travel of the population didn't collectively take the piss at Christmas. Now we are all stuck looking at the same 5km because of all those collective decisions, we could have had an open country at this point.

Now, with the end finally in sight, with really only six to eight weeks of this hard grind left have people agitating to make the same mistakes over again. It's almost like they don't want this to end. The mind boggles.

Utter nonsense, you are suggesting the population went mad at Christmas. How are you still repeating that crap when it is false.

MrMusician18

Renault 5 wrote: »

I used to think this but I was wrong.

There is no plan.

The Government are only implementing full restrictions for 2 reasons.

1. They have no plan at all

2. They are treating the case numbers as a competition for recognition within the EU.

Nearly everyone I know will finish with invisible restrictions come March.

What are they waiting for, if they don't believe in them why don't they finish with them now?

Our is this just internet hardman-ism, like I suspect?

Jinglejangle69

Gael23 wrote: »

If schools stay closed and construction opens instead that’s not all bad

For you yeah.

Arduach

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

"...some people on here - who no doubt have a self image of hard bitten cynical realism - are fawning over Boris and Co like naive fangirls."
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116371333#post116371333

Leave it out. He explained himself on that post.

Arghus is one of the best posters on here. I've only come across you tonight and I'm not impressed with what you've to say.

Beechwoodspark

Gael23 wrote: »

Compliance will fall drastically.

No plan, no target, no hope. How do you expect people to comply.

Don’t get that sense at all. People are prepared to comply to keep the risk level low

MrMusician18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Utter nonsense, you are suggesting the population went mad at Christmas. How are you still repeating that crap when it is false.

It did go mad. All the way through December there was exponential growth culminating in the weeks following Christmas, we had between 6 and 8 thousand cases a day.

There was mass non compliance and we reaped what we sew.

Renault 5

Gael23 wrote: »

Compliance will fall drastically.

No plan, no target, no hope. How do you expect people to comply.

From now on, people like me won’t comply.

I fully understand the risks to myself and others.

I take great care with social distancing, wears masks, carry and use sanitizer and don’t visit family.

But I need to wake up after a full year and for once it’s not Groundhog Day.

mcburns07

Textbook Claire Byrne / RTE focusing on any negative they can think of in relation to the UK plan.

What are they playing at

Grueller Baby

Claire Byrne absolutely tire Calamity Stephen a new one when asking about hotel quarantine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Caolanmcaree/status/1363986254086496257

Happydays2020

What is interesting here is that the opposition parties all had a harder lock down strategy pointing to zero Covid.

You would think one of them would have had the sense to realise that the public are fickle and there would be fatigue with restrictions.