Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

TonyMaloney

If you find yourself lobbying to open the pubs before it's safe AGAIN, perhaps you should find yourself a new job.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good luck with that. We all know it'll happen. That's the whole point of groups representing sectors.

Exactly

If we get to March 5th with low cases going to be hard for Martin not to open up a bit especially in relation to construction, retail and hairdressing

He'll be able to fight off hospitality for a bit (June) but harder to argue against those sectors after Easter

KrustyUCC

TonyMaloney wrote: »

If you find yourself lobbying to open the pubs before it's safe AGAIN, perhaps you should find yourself a new job.

When would it be safe again?

landofthetree

If the vaccines work zero covid is a massive sacrifice for very little.

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Indeed. If one was funding a representative organisation and they were not lobbying in respect to your interests, one may well decide to stop funding this organisation.

Who's teat would they suck on then? The world would be better off without lobby groups. I hope the ringing of the tills in December were worth the 3 + month lockdown with the kids off school and hospitals not functioning. Once things do calm down there'll be major backlogs in 'normal' care. Not to mention those who sadly had to die for the lesser good.

TonyMaloney

KrustyUCC wrote: »

When would it be safe again?

When public health decide it is.

D.Q

TonyMaloney wrote: »

When public health decide it is.

Has public health become sentient

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Exactly

If we get to March 5th with low cases going to be hard for Martin not to open up a bit especially in relation to construction, retail and hairdressing

He'll be able to fight off hospitality for a bit (June) but harder to argue against those sectors after Easter

Yup agree with this.

The pubs know they aren't getting to open until May or June. It'll be retail first and with low case numbers you wont be able to essentially blank them.

Hospitality groups wont come looking until May/June anyway. Retail ones will absolutely be hot on his heels come March

ixoy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It'll be retail first and with low case numbers you wont be able to essentially blank them

At the very least, click-and-collect should be an option again.

Windmill100000

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Here's what disinformation can do. Mixed in with some plausible theories like taking vit D.
A terrible example. I feel sorry for everyone in this video.

https://twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1354357473973579776?s=19

That's really sad. The son? has probably been getting information off Facebook among other highly reputable sources. Does anyone know what the outcome was to this situation?

The HorsesMouth

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1354406965666066434?s=19

Yet we are not going for zero covid so in essence we will have the absolute worst of both worlds!

Eod100

Ger Roe wrote: »

Is there no better way to deal with a production capacity issue, than to leave it to market forces? We are relying on commerical companies competing against each other for greater market share, to provide and manufacture a vaccine that the whole world needs urgently.

When the motivation is profit based,there is advantage to be gained from scarce supply. AstraZeneca may already have fallen at the first commercial temptation hurdle - there is a story to emerge there yet.

How many of those companies received large amount of government funding upfront? Do you think if companies world wide could produce it if patent there would be no incentive to produce vaccines?

Gael23

Widescreen wrote: »

i'm sure this was said before but there was more action taken when there was a foot and mouth crisis in the past!

We now know cattle are more important than humans in Ireland!

You can tell by yesterdays lame response by government nothing will change.

Especially as hardly any vaccines heading this way either.

Are you suggesting a lethal injection for everyone infected 😱

OwenM

PowerToWait wrote: »

The people whinging and cribbing about the news being bad is gas.

“We demand optimism” like that will change the situation! Seems to be a healthy crossover from those demanding optimism and the anti restrictions type.

Every second post on here these past few days is the same posters looking for OPTIMISM. People need to grow up a bit.

Yeah, lets all talk ourselves into abject misery.

Golfman64

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Oops. Bit of an admission here from Martin.
Lobbying clearly played a role in December's fiasco.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1354400633902796802?s=20

And still we wait for the announcement of an enhanced support package for what was left of the aviation and travel related jobs that will be lost over the coming months as a result of the increased restrictions announced yesterday.

CoronaBlocker

What happens when the British begin to open up for themselves after they're all vaccinated by April or May and all start coming over here for nice, long weekend breaks?

There are no significant restrictions of movement on, or between, these islands and if the vaccine still allows you to carry/transmit the virus... is that not going to be a problem?

OwenM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup agree with this.

The pubs know they aren't getting to open until May or June. It'll be retail first and with low case numbers you wont be able to essentially blank them.

Hospitality groups wont come looking until May/June anyway. Retail ones will absolutely be hot on his heels come March

When everyone >70 is vaccinated death and hospitalisation rates are going to reduce massively and once they get any velocity with group 5 they will have collapsed. 1st week of April for hospitality is my guess.

hotmail.com

Once the cases go back down, more people will be vaccinated and then public disquiet about travel will evaporate.

CoronaBlocker

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

What happens when the British begin to open up for themselves after they're all vaccinated by April or May and all start coming over here for nice, long weekend breaks?

There are no significant restrictions of movement on, or between, these islands and if the vaccine still allows you to carry/transmit the virus... is that not going to be a problem?

There'll still need a negative PCR test, but interesting question as to whether a PCR test will show if you are carrying the virus even if vaccinated

caveat emptor

hotmail.com wrote: »

Once the cases go back down, more people will be vaccinated and then public disquiet about travel will evaporate.

Yeah, then the latest vaccine beating strain that is out there replicating (due to selection pressure caused by the vaccine ironically) will be imported and it'll be lockdown 6 , 7 , 8........ repeat ad nauseam.

That's surely a worse case scenario but things have tended to veer on that side of the plans consistently.

CoronaBlocker

Deleted User wrote: »

There'll still need a negative PCR test, but interesting question as to whether a PCR test will show if you are carrying the virus even if vaccinated

Ok, thank you. Is that the case currently for people coming from the UK or does it still need to be implemented? Everyone having PCR test results with them?

Yes, that question - you'd be afraid to ask it tbh. If we were to get the wrong answer it would spell quite a bit of trouble. :eek:

is_that_so

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1354406965666066434?s=19

Yet we are not going for zero covid so in essence we will have the absolute worst of both worlds!

Oh I'd say that's more to get the Opposition off his case. Some of them are ZERO COVID fans and quite a few doing that holding the government to account thing. As others have observed, it could be some weeks before we see the required legislation anyway and if we are down in the low hundreds by then, the urgency may go out of it.

marno21

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah, then the latest vaccine beating strain that is out there replicating (due to selection pressure caused by the vaccine ironically) will be imported and it'll be lockdown 6 , 7 , 8........ repeat ad nauseam.

That's surely a worse case scenario but things have tended to veer on that side of the plans consistently.

We haven’t had any vaccine resistant strains yet so perhaps we shouldn’t base our policy entirely on hypothetical scenarios for which we have no precedent.

AdamD

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah, then the latest vaccine beating strain that is out there replicating (due to selection pressure caused by the vaccine ironically) will be imported and it'll be lockdown 6 , 7 , 8........ repeat ad nauseam.

That's surely a worse case scenario but things have tended to veer on that side of the plans consistently.

There have been thousands of covid strains. The vaccines were surely developed based on the initial strains, they are evidently still working nearly a year after development. So in that year the changes in strains hasn't been an issue. Why is it now a massive issue, with zero evidence that any strain is 'beating' the vaccines?

is_that_so

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah, then the latest vaccine beating strain that is out there replicating (due to selection pressure caused by the vaccine ironically) will be imported and it'll be lockdown 6 , 7 , 8........ repeat ad nauseam.

That's surely a worse case scenario but things have tended to veer on that side of the plans consistently.

You seem to be assuming that it mutates at will. With vaccinations there will be at least a level of protection anyway.

CoronaBlocker

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Ok, thank you. Is that the case currently for people coming from the UK or does it still need to be implemented? Everyone having PCR test results with them?

Yes, that question - you'd be afraid to ask it tbh. If we were to get the wrong answer it would spell quite a bit of trouble. :eek:

Yes, you currently need a PCR test coming from the UK. But not the other way (albeit that might change this afternoon depending what the Home Secretary says in her statement this afternoon)

CoronaBlocker

Can't help but get the feeling that our slow introduction of a type of quarantine for new arrivals here is going to be developed and enhanced over the summer and beyond. If vaccines still allow for the carrying and transmitting of the virus then we could be living with these types of restrictions for many years. It's a desperately sad situation to see unfolding.

Plumbthedepths

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Can't help but get the feeling that our slow introduction of a type of quarantine for new arrivals here is going to be developed and enhanced over the summer and beyond. If vaccines still allow for the carrying and transmitting of the virus then we could be living with these types of restrictions for many years. It's a desperately sad situation to see unfolding.

You think these type of restrictions are going to last for years? Happily you will be wrong.

igCorcaigh

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Can't help but get the feeling that our slow introduction of a type of quarantine for new arrivals here is going to be developed and enhanced over the summer and beyond. If vaccines still allow for the carrying and transmitting of the virus then we could be living with these types of restrictions for many years. It's a desperately sad situation to see unfolding.

I have moments of doubt about this vaccine optimism too. It seems at times that any point of certainty is receding further into the future. It's a strange feeling.

CoronaBlocker

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You think these type of restrictions are going to last for years? Happily you will be wrong.

I really hope that you are right! These things don't just get flung up on a whim though and with all the new variants springing up - and then those new variants themselves ultimately creating new variants again... we get further away from the original strain and... suddenly we're all living in constant fear of this one or that one from such and such a place.

Of course the new strains may well get weaker as time goes by - that would be great - but currently they are not any weaker than the original...

I don't know... I'm not any kind of expert so..!