Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

mcburns07

Eod100 wrote: »

I never said it would be. :

"I think another lockdown after this one would be very unsustainable. Maybe that's part of government's thinking in extending this one."

Are you not suggesting that they're extending this one to prevent having to another one down the line?

If not, what point are YOU trying to make?

TallyRand

This Tomas Ryan chap is the perfect case of an academic who understands humans but not people.

nommm

landofthetree wrote: »

Of course we will go back into lockdown.

Even if we stay at level 5 till April how many will be vaccinated? It will just take 6-8 weeks for cases to be back up to 1000 a day.

Not if the government actually had a strategy. Plenty of countries have shown that it is possible.

Purple Mountain

These so called quarantine hotels. Who fits the bill for this?

nommm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

These so called quarantine hotels. Who fits the bill for this?

In Aus, its people travelling to the country.

giveitholly

appledrop wrote: »

I have to say the thoughts of Level 5 lockdown until March 5 is soul destroying.

Even if said till end Feb would give people some hope but Jaysus another 5 weeks of this!

I know no other choice but I feel it gives people no hope. I'd worry for people's mental health. January not a great month anyway in normal year, this news is not going to help.

I fully support new lockdown measures for airports/ border etc but should gave happened a lot soon before UK strain took hold.

It just feels like its never ending.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it won't finish on March 5th,it will go on until at least Easter

Eod100

Purple Mountain wrote: »

These so called quarantine hotels. Who fits the bill for this?

The traveller in the places where it's been implemented so presumably same here.

nocoverart

TallyRand wrote: »

This Tomas Ryan chap is the perfect case of an academic who understands humans but not people.

And he looks like a worm.

DraftDodger

Look at the difference and precautions proper well run nations like Vietnam have taken against this virus whilst we mickey mouse about with half arsed measures.

KrustyUCC

Arghus wrote: »

I don't know, I think most people know the score at this stage about how we have to take a cautious approach - I think December was a wake up call to many.

There's far less noise from industry and other businesss talking heads compared to the last lockdown.

And re keeping people on side. If businesses are instructed to stay closed they'll stay closed.

Noise will start when cases keep dropping

Yeah business will stay closed alright

My fear would be its a huge ask for people to keep up the current level of effort, keeping contacts low , not seeing people for month after month after month

Also add in no social outlets

Big big ask

KrustyUCC

Purple Mountain wrote: »

These so called quarantine hotels. Who fits the bill for this?

The passengers usually

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

If they're doing that, they might as well just have mandatory quarantine for that time and try to return to normal internally.

Except the poster your replying to has taken his comments completely out of context

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1353840921981415424?s=19

Eod100

DraftDodger wrote: »

Look at the difference and precautions proper well run nations like Vietnam have taken against this virus whilst we mickey mouse about with half arsed measures.

Think there was western exceptionalism with not following measures which worked in other countries. Penny is slowly dropping about quarantine.

landofthetree

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Sorry but March 5th is being optimistic.

There is every reason to think that cases will be low by then

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1353004118684659712

But with the slow vaccine rollout there is no reason to think it wont be short lived.

Arduach

King Billy in the background, Ian Paisley Jr!! You couldn't make it up!

namloc1980

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except the poster your replying to has taken his comments completely out of context

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1353840921981415424?s=19

How so? He was clearly flying a kite like we've seen a million times before.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except the poster your replying to has taken his comments completely out of context

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1353840921981415424?s=19

Fair enough. Does he mean summer holidays abroad there? Wouldn't have thought there was much of a chance of that either way

hotmail.com

Why can't we reopen once everyone is vaccinated?

Hubertj

I think people will be surprised how many essential workers travel in and out of this country every day. There are so many people that can’t be quarantined that I think mandatory will have little effect. I also don’t agree with locking people up for 2 weeks.
Do we also lock up COVID positive people in Ireland to ensure they don’t infect others? Better controls in airports and flights are a definite requirement to stop non essential travel.

cjyid

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why can't we reopen once everyone is vaccinated?

Well we can, but everyone won't be vaccinated for a long long time the rate we're going.

Arghus

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Noise will start when cases keep dropping

Yeah business will stay closed alright

My fear would be its a huge ask for people to keep up the current level of effort, keeping contacts low , not seeing people for month after month after month

Also add in no social outlets

Big big ask

It's a big ask of course, but I don't see what else there is for doing. If cases are high you can't open up really. We've been here before. Keeping people on side is important, but equally there's nothing to be done, in my view, until cases are low enough.

I think most people accept that not much, if anything, will change for February. Beyond that is anyone's guess at this stage.

Gradius

cjyid wrote: »

Well we can, but everyone won't be vaccinated for a long long time the rate we're going.

That's not strictly true, that's not how vaccines work.

Receiving a vaccine doesn't work 100%.

Receiving a vaccine doesn't 100% stop you transmitting the virus.

Large groups of people can not ever be vaccinated.

Etc.

Richard Hillman

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why can't we reopen once everyone is vaccinated?

The UK have vaccinated 78% of over 80s, with the average age of death being 82. I would imagine the average age is similar here.

I'm starting to think that politicians don't have too much faith in the vaccines.

nommm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Why can't we reopen once everyone is vaccinated?

We can but that won't be till September at the earliest. The question is what will happen in between.

Arghus

Arduach wrote: »

King Billy in the background, Ian Paisley Jr!! You couldn't make it up!

I know.

He's also claimed that NI is well ahead of The Republic in testing. Hmmm, that sounds like a bogus claim.

Arghus

Oisín McConville being the most sensible man in the room.

forumdedum

Arghus wrote: »

Oisín McConville being the most sensible man in the room.

Absolutely

KrustyUCC

Arghus wrote: »

It's a big ask of course, but I don't see what else there is for doing. If cases are high you can't open up really. We've been here before. Keeping people on side is important, but equally there's nothing to be done, in my view, until cases are low enough.

I think most people accept that not much, if anything, will change for February. Beyond that is anyone's guess at this stage.

That's true but Leo is talking about a slow slow reopening even when cases are low similar to last year so that's prob restrictions being eased in three week chunks

So the ask of people is three months of level 5 then a painfully slow reopening

Deja vu

GeorgeBailey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except the poster your replying to has taken his comments completely out of context

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1353840921981415424?s=19

If the alternative to what Leo is saying is rolling lockdowns for the next year then I for one am ok with all the negatives surrounding quarantining.

daydorunrun

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The UK have vaccinated 78% of over 80s, with the average age of death being 82. I would imagine the average age is similar here.

I'm starting to think that politicians don't have too much faith in the vaccines.

My Dad is 80, he reckons he won't take a vaccine because, in his words-'give it to a young person who can live their life, I've had mine'.

Also when you think of all those UK 80+ vaccine recipients who may just have received a vaccine that is only 8% effective for their age category it makes you wonder who we should be prioritising. Surly teachers should be high on the list to get kids back to education.

Beasty

cjyid wrote: »

Well we can, but everyone won't be vaccinated for a long long time the rate we're going.

We also don't know whether new variants may arise where the vaccines are less effective, or indeed how long current vaccines offer immunity. It's possible we won't get through everyone before those already vaccinated need a new jab (or two)

Arghus

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's true but Leo is talking about a slow slow reopening even when cases are low similar to last year so that's prob restrictions being eased in three week chunks

So the ask of people is three months of level 5 then a painfully slow reopening

Deja vu

I don't know how restrictions are going to be eased to be honest, but it'll be slow.

The government tried to give people a bit of hope in December - and it backfired spectacularly.

There's no point in the government coming out and saying this will be eased in 6 weeks or two months if it's not something that they can promise. I don't see the point in false promises.

giveitholly

Well after watching Claire Byrne live,I am off to bed fully depressed,this year is going to be worse than last year

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's true but Leo is talking about a slow slow reopening even when cases are low similar to last year so that's prob restrictions being eased in three week chunks

So the ask of people is three months of level 5 then a painfully slow reopening

Deja vu

It sucks but I can't see them raking an alternative

I can wfh, I managed to get both a promotion and a parish during this site

But I'm also trying to finalise a divorce

This pandemic means no progress
I just wish there was an end in sight

Always_Running

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No point in extending to end of Feb, you'd be doing the review after 3 weeks instead of 4 probably. This way the review is a week before and they get a full 4 weeks before it.

First week of March was always most likely

Matches the NI restrictions date i see.

nommm

Arghus wrote: »

I don't know how restrictions are going to be eased to be honest, but it'll be slow.

The government tried to give people a bit of hope in December - and it backfired spectacularly.

There's no point in the government coming out and saying this will be eased in 6 weeks or two months if it's not something that they can promise. I don't see the point in false promises.

The target needs to be X number of cases, everyone knew the restrictions were up in 6 weeks in December and started behaving accordingly in the weeks running up to it.

Boggerman12

giveitholly wrote: »

Well after watching Claire Byrne live,I am off to bed fully depressed,this year is going to be worse than last year

Stop watching Clare Byrne .that program is not a serious program

namloc1980

The vaccines gave me hope before Christmas. But the relentless negativity since the start of the year now makes the end feel further away than ever. It all feels a bit hopeless.

fits

daydorunrun wrote: »

My Dad is 80, he reckons he won't take a vaccine because, in his words-'give it to a young person who can live their life, I've had mine'.

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Tell your Dad to cop on to himself. He could have many good years left in him.

daydorunrun

giveitholly wrote: »

Well after watching Claire Byrne live,I am off to bed fully depressed,this year is going to be worse than last year

If we all knuckle down and flatten the curve for the next 10 months we can enjoy a meaningful Christmas 2021.

Loafing Oaf

daydorunrun wrote: »

Surly teachers should be high on the list to get kids back to education.

Yeah they're grumpy enough without the worry of catching covid hanging over them:P

Eod100

Arghus wrote: »

Oisín McConville being the most sensible man in the room.

He's dead right. More people died of covid on island than all the lives lost during the Troubles in a 20+ year period. Shameful that they couldn't use geography of the island to our advantage.

Pinch Flat

Yep I've written off 2021. Was speaking to herself last night about perhaps getting away out foreign (ie canaries) maybe in November. Looks like that's off the cards now. Going to be another miserable year that's going to take immense toll on peoples mental health and well being. At least the evenings are getting longer so I'll keep up my daily walks. My daffodils and tulips are coming out. And I'm going to replant my little patch in the garden and enjoy some nice veg over the summer. It's the small things that keep you going.

Richard Hillman

giveitholly wrote: »

Well after watching Claire Byrne live,I am off to bed fully depressed,this year is going to be worse than last year

I switched off after 5 minutes. I am at an absolute mental low at this stage.

giveitholly

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yep I've written off 2021. Was speaking to herself last night about perhaps getting away out foreign (ie canaries) maybe in November. Looks like that's off the cards now. Going to be another miserable year that's going to take immense toll on peoples mental health and well being. At least the evenings are getting longer so I'll keep up my daily walks. My daffodils and tulips are coming out. And I'm going to replant my little patch in the garden and enjoy some nice veg over the summer. It's the small things that keep you going.

Don't forget the lettuce on the window sil

giveitholly

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I switched off after 5 minutes. I am at an absolute mental low at this stage.

Like us all at this stage

Pinch Flat

giveitholly wrote: »

Don't forget the lettuce on the window sil

Tomatoes are where it'll be at. Need to get myself a little perspex greenhouse.

Boggerman12

If taking the vaccine doesn’t get us back to normal then what’s the point in taking it,if we’re going to be locked down for an indefinite time.

Eod100

Yeah knew the restrictions were coming but still deflating when there's another extension. It's a tough time but we will get through this. This day next week is the 1st day of Spring so can look forward to weather getting better and evenings getting better.

Amirani

Boggerman12 wrote: »

If taking the vaccine doesn’t get us back to normal then what’s the point in taking it,if we’re going to be locked down for an indefinite time.

To avoid getting severely ill.