Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

hynesie08

54 deaths
1335 cases

tom1ie

kippy wrote: »

What fools are talking about Zero Covid?
The mind really boggles - the time for a Zero Covid strategy was back last February March when:
1. Very little was known about the disease.
2. There was literally no sign of a vacine being developed, yet alone tested/approved.

Zero covid is a pointless strategy with so many door open and so much of the disease globally, particularily with the issues with Northern Ireland.
The talk of this should stop and focus on getting the vaccine(s) out there as efficiently as possibly while unwinding resrictions once hospitals clear some more.

Is the problem not that when they reduce restrictions numbers will go up because of the higher transmissibility of this British strain let alone alone other strains?
So we’ll be back to square one if we open up too early without having quarantine in place and tougher enforcement of existing penalties etc.
I get what your saying about the problem with NI but we have to work towards zero covid and get to a point where we are happy to open up taking into account the higher transmissibility.

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354497546836705284?s=20

bb1234567

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, but what determines the overall severity of COVID is not deaths, but those excess deaths that wouldn't ordinarily be seen.

How many of those 85 a day, for example, now include COVID?

A few posters mentioned the 1,700 deaths in the UK, but proportionally, that is the equivalent of 130 deaths here. How many of those are excess, above and beyond is expected at this time of year.

So yes, I think my perspective does hold some gravity.

UK deaths with COVID on certificate 103,600
UK COVID deaths within 28 days of diagnosis 101,880
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

UK excess deaths 100,000
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-excess-deaths-since-start-of-pandemic-surpass-100-000-data-suggests-1.4462125

So most look to be excess deaths at least at first appearances

kippy

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you seriously advocating saying to an asymptomatic person, that they have an active disease?

They absolutely do not.

It's scientifically and logically inaccurate use of language - on every possible level.

As I said, it's a fashionable way to phrase it. That's all.

90% of people have a form of herpes virus latent in their body, which causes no symptoms. We do not walk around saying to each other, "I have a disease right now".

You don't like the term but it is a completely acceptable use of it.

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Hate the phrase, "the disease".

That Professor Nolan chap, one of the most boring speakers in human history, repeats this phrase ad nauseum.

It's not suppressing a disease; it's suppressing transmission of a virus.

A quarter of people who get the virus are asymptomatic. They cannot be said to have a disease.

It's irritating use of language and it's caught on like some creepy fashion statement.

Holohan loves using it, too.

Imagine getting worked up over this. You know what is being referred to here, no need for the drama.

Eod100

Cases lower than swabs so. Good to see. Sadly another high number of deaths.

appledrop

Also reports of Gardai breaking up funeral of 200 people also in Wexford.

Looks like Wexford is new hotspot for Covid.

paulie21

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354497765456416770?s=19

Gael23

Disappointing to go back over 1000

kippy

tom1ie wrote: »

Is the problem not that when they reduce restrictions numbers will go up because of the higher transmissibility of this British strain let alone alone other strains?
So we’ll be back to square one if we open up too early without having quarantine in place and tougher enforcement of existing penalties etc.
I get what your saying about the problem with NI but we have to work towards zero covid and get to a point where we are happy to open up taking into account the higher transmissibility.

It's literally way to late for that at this point.

kilkenny31

tom1ie wrote: »

Is the problem not that when they reduce restrictions numbers will go up because of the higher transmissibility of this British strain let alone alone other strains?
So we’ll be back to square one if we open up too early without having quarantine in place and tougher enforcement of existing penalties etc.
I get what your saying about the problem with NI but we have to work towards zero covid and get to a point where we are happy to open up taking into account the higher transmissibility.

I think its going to have to be trial and error. We don't really know yet what the effect of the UK strain will be. Christmas is hard to judge anything off. I really hope there is something done on vaccines because its starting to feel like we will never get out if this.
If Boris manages to vaccinate most of the population before European countries vaccinate a quarter of their population its going to be enough to win support for the argument for Brexit and it will be a significant blow to the credibility of the EU.

Eod100

kippy wrote: »

It's literally way to late for that at this point.

Wouldn't say that, vaccinating 70% of adults will probably take most of the year.

brick tamland

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354498049578512390?s=19

Tony using the 14 day ago here to scare people. I'd be nice just for a change to say how well its going. Numbers dropping really fast yet he searches for a stat to scare people. RTE will use it to spread more misery later no doubt instead of using 5 or 7 day.

Probes

kippy wrote: »

It's literally way to late for that at this point.

It's not too late just because you said it is. Zero covid would be an attempt to avoid these ridiculous lockdowns, and to avoid people getting sick and dying. Even when we have vaccines there is no guarantee the virus will stop circulating and infecting the most vulnerable, and there is no guarantee that there won't be an escape. Zero covid would go a long way in helping us avoid more lockdowns in those cases.

ninebeanrows

Sad to see case numbers rising exponentially again

CIARAN_BOYLE

Gael23 wrote: »

Disappointing to go back over 1000

Wednesday is always unually higher than Tuesday. It was going to happen.

CIARAN_BOYLE

brick tamland wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354498049578512390?s=19

Tony using the 14 day ago here to scare people. I'd be nice just for a change to say how well its going. Numbers dropping really fast yet he searches for a stat to scare people. RTE will use it to spread more misery later no doubt instead of using 5 or 7 day.

Fear = obedience to restrictions.

The Irish populace are by and large idiots. If they hear we have good progress there will be crowds on the streets. Dublin's streets are busier now than 2 weeks ago. Same restrictions. Less people making the effort to stay home.

caveat emptor

Golfman64 wrote: »

The surge here was caused by 3 weeks of open hospitality followed by mass congregations over Christmas.

Don't forget the migration back down the country after the craic in Dublin.

Jim_Hodge

brick tamland wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354498049578512390?s=19

Tony using the 14 day ago here to scare people. I'd be nice just for a change to say how well its going. Numbers dropping really fast yet he searches for a stat to scare people. RTE will use it to spread more misery later no doubt instead of using 5 or 7 day.

5 and 7 day figures are also higher than October.

blowitupref

7 days average 1,700 cases per day. It was 2891 last Wednesday.

tom1ie

kippy wrote: »

It's literally way to late for that at this point.

With respect I think you could be wrong here. How long before we reach 70% via vaccine plus infection? If it’s going to be almost a year or even more well then we need to think of another way of approaching this so we can get back to normality quicker, because this setup is diabolical.

cjyid

RIP to the 54.

Not surprised at the cases, usual Wednesday jump. We're still on the right track.

spookwoman

appledrop wrote: »

Also reports of Gardai breaking up funeral of 200 people also in Wexford.

Looks like Wexford is new hotspot for Covid.

Aw FFS will people ever cop on, especially in Wexford considering what happened at the last.

thegreengoblin

appledrop wrote: »

Also reports of Gardai breaking up funeral of 200 people also in Wexford.

Looks like Wexford is new hotspot for Covid.

That sort of stuff drives me mad. It's a real kick in the stones for the vast majority of families who have had reduced numbers at funerals for the last year. Just because a family is considered 'large' doesn't mean they all have to show up. Morons.

JP Liz V1

appledrop wrote: »

Also reports of Gardai breaking up funeral of 200 people also in Wexford.

Looks like Wexford is new hotspot for Covid.

:eek:

thegreengoblin

thegreengoblin wrote: »

That sort of stuff drives me mad. It's a real kick in the stones for the vast majority of families who have had reduced numbers at funerals for the last year. Just because a family is considered 'large' doesn't mean they all have to show up. Morons.

It's the absolute summit of selfishness.

JP Liz V1

54 Deaths
1,335 Cases
437 in Dublin, 114 in Cork, 78 in Galway, 71 in Meath, 61 in Louth and the remaining 574 cases are spread across all other counties

namloc1980

Love their big funerals in the middle of a pandemic down in Wexford.

kilkenny31

namloc1980 wrote: »

Love their big funerals in the middle of a pandemic down in Wexford.

I'd say its a conspiracy by undertakers down there. Encourage big funerals so there will be more funerals.