Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

Malcomex

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes - and this is why the European Union needs to break up.

Their sheer incompetence over vaccines should hopefully prove the final nail in the coffin for this political malignancy; a monster that eats red tape for breakfast - and we've seen the toxic effects of that diet over the past several weeks.

European countries have shown that they can manage their own affairs better - individually - rather than collectively, with an unelected European Commission trying to foist non-existent solutions to every member state.

Hmmm....

timeToLive

I don't think anyone actually listens to Stephen Donnelly anyway

ShyMets

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes - and this is why the European Union needs to break up.

Their sheer incompetence over vaccines should hopefully prove the final nail in the coffin for this political malignancy; a monster that eats red tape for breakfast - and we've seen the toxic effects of that diet over the past several weeks.

European countries have shown that they can manage their own affairs better - individually - rather than collectively, with an unelected European Commission trying to foist non-existent solutions to every member state.

My spidey sense is tingling. Not a fan of the EU perhaps

pc7

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Name me a politician who isn't?

Simon Coveney, seems fairly balanced and decent with his brief

leahyl

Public meeting on now about zero covid - I wonder will there be a move towards this? Otherwise, sounds very grim in terms of further lockdowns for the rest of the year, regardless of a vaccine.:(

pawdee

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Name me a politician who isn't?

The Normal Foal?

Malcomex

timeToLive wrote: »

I don't think anyone actually listens to Stephen Donnelly anyway

He seems to be an imposter

However I doubt he suffers from imposter syndrome

leahyl

leahyl wrote: »

Public meeting on now about zero covid - I wonder will there be a move towards this? Otherwise, sounds very grim in terms of further lockdowns for the rest of the year, regardless of a vaccine.:(

That would be a monumental mistake.

leahyl

Deleted User wrote: »

That would be a monumental mistake.

Can you explain your statement?

Sofa King Great

leahyl wrote: »

Public meeting on now about zero covid - I wonder will there be a move towards this? Otherwise, sounds very grim in terms of further lockdowns for the rest of the year, regardless of a vaccine.:(

Would zero covid not require similar if not more severe levels of lockdowns?

Malcomex

leahyl wrote: »

Public meeting on now about zero covid - I wonder will there be a move towards this? Otherwise, sounds very grim in terms of further lockdowns for the rest of the year, regardless of a vaccine.:(

Its not grim at all

Aside from the current lockdown the news is all good re vaccines and new variants

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes - and this is why the European Union needs to break up.

Their sheer incompetence over vaccines should hopefully prove the final nail in the coffin for this political malignancy; a monster that eats red tape for breakfast - and we've seen the toxic effects of that diet over the past several weeks.

European countries have shown that they can manage their own affairs better - individually - rather than collectively, with an unelected European Commission trying to foist non-existent solutions to every member state.

You mean the commission that has secured deals with all major manufacturers and has 3 supplies now providing vaccines for its citizens with more than enough committed to get everyone done by Autumn with hundreds of millions of extra doses coming on board in Q2? We would have been better off with a free for all where vaccines went to whomever bid the most

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

That would be a monumental mistake.

New Zealand don't seem to think so.

leahyl

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Would zero covid not require similar if not more severe levels of lockdowns?

But for a shorter length of time, cos it's closing off international travel completely and would have to have a joint strategy with the North. I think there would be other measures as well but would ultimately (hopefully) ensure that there is no community transmission and if there were any cases, they could be isolated easily. I must admit I heard this crowd talking about this a few months ago and thought they were mad, but if they are saying that this will stop constant rolling lockdowns for months on end and being able to live a relatively normal life in our own country until the right amount of people have been vaccinated...surely that 's better? I dunno, just listening in, I'm not an expert or anything!

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

Public meeting on now about zero covid - I wonder will there be a move towards this? Otherwise, sounds very grim in terms of further lockdowns for the rest of the year, regardless of a vaccine.:(

Nope, Phillip Nolan has described it as a false promise.

leahyl

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope, Phillip Nolan has described it as a false promise.

And? He's one person, doesn't mean he knows everything.

A comment from someone on this meeting I'm listening into : "It should be noted that Prof Nolan has no expertise nor qualifications in Math Modelling. He has been disengenuous in misrepresenting the science behind Zero Covid." - from someone called Brian Harvey who, if it's the same person I found when I googled his name, is a professor in RCSI.

jam_mac_jam

He seems very incompetent at his job. The thumbs up thing is incredibly cringe.

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

And? He's one person, doesn't mean he knows everything.

He advises NPHET on data modelling and they don't agree with it either. Nor do the government.

Malcomex

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes - and this is why the European Union needs to break up.

Their sheer incompetence over vaccines should hopefully prove the final nail in the coffin for this political malignancy; a monster that eats red tape for breakfast - and we've seen the toxic effects of that diet over the past several weeks.

European countries have shown that they can manage their own affairs better - individually - rather than collectively, with an unelected European Commission trying to foist non-existent solutions to every member state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRc0by2vZ7k

eviltimeban

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1356244140917313537

This is the number I've been waiting for. More people have now received the vaccine than have contracted the disease (on record). Good news.

OwenM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Would zero covid not require similar if not more severe levels of lockdowns?

Yes it would. Perth has locked down yesterday (2 million people) because of one case.

leahyl

is_that_so wrote: »

He advises NPHET on data modelling and they don't agree with it either. Nor do the government.

A comment from someone on this meeting I'm listening into : "It should be noted that Prof Nolan has no expertise nor qualifications in Math Modelling. He has been disengenuous in misrepresenting the science behind Zero Covid." - from someone called Brian Harvey who, if it's the same person I found when I googled his name, is a professor in RCSI.

leahyl

OwenM wrote: »

Yes it would. Perth has locked down yesterday (2 million people) because of one case.

Not for months though....for 5 days

hynesie08

leahyl wrote: »

Not for months though....for 5 days

So, they are opening up in 5 days regardless?

I think what that article sums up is that Irish journalists are much more confortable talking about people and their relationships than numbers or science. Donnelly is a bit of a tool, but I would hope that far more than text exchanges weight into the decisions taken by government

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

A comment from someone on this meeting I'm listening into : "It should be noted that Prof Nolan has no expertise nor qualifications in Math Modelling. He has been disengenuous in misrepresenting the science behind Zero Covid." - from someone called Brian Harvey who, if it's the same person I found when I googled his name, is a professor in RCSI.

He leads the team of modellers, just like the CMO leads NPHET. I believe he has done epidemiological modelling, which is what this is.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, they are opening up in 5 days regardless?

it seems so....the case was traced to a security gaurd working at a quarantine hotel



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/covid-19-perth-in-lockdown-as-hotel-quarantine-security-guard-tests-positive-1.4472316%3fmode=amp

leahyl

is_that_so wrote: »

He leads the team of modellers, just like the CMO leads NPHET.

Yes I know what he does, what's your response to the comment made about his experience with modelling?

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes - and this is why the European Union needs to break up.

Their sheer incompetence over vaccines should hopefully prove the final nail in the coffin for this political malignancy; a monster that eats red tape for breakfast - and we've seen the toxic effects of that diet over the past several weeks.

European countries have shown that they can manage their own affairs better - individually - rather than collectively, with an unelected European Commission trying to foist non-existent solutions to every member state.

Is that you Nigel? Nonsense ranting.

is_that_so

leahyl wrote: »

Yes I know what he does, what's your response to the comment made about his experience with modelling?

Mathematical modelling is not the same thing. They have the data, probably a whole lot more than the person who made that claim.