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Mr Martin and the Shamrock fiasco

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    #272
    hotmail.com
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    America isn't taking the virus seriously. The large inauguration and the thousands at the Super bowl final the other day is indicative of their appalling attitude to the virus.


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    #273
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    Dominic Cummings fallout is exactly what is on my mind when thinking of how this will be perceived.

    That was catastrophic for the UK response. It will make a good case study when the dust settles.

    People are weary and looking for any excuse to be non compliant and this might be handing them one on a platter.


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    #274
    joe40
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Our relations with America must be extremely fragile as so many want the Taoiseach to go.

    How bad are relations?

    Our relations with the US would survive MM not going but accepting the invitation would still be more beneficial than not.
    Are the Irish people going to suddenly stop complying with regulations because MM accepts an invite to the US.
    Are we really that shallow and unable to think for ourselves. This will not be a holiday for the Taoiseach, it will be a political visit.


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    #275
    blanch152
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    I have been invited to 2 house parties this weekend already. The youth have had enough after hearing yet again (via leaks to media at FF and FG meetings) we would be in a prolonged lockdown and now Mickey is going on holidays.

    If you can't understand the difference between two house parties and a State visit to Washington, it is difficult to know where to start.


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    #276
    Thespoofer
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    I have been invited to 2 house parties this weekend already. The youth have had enough after hearing yet again (via leaks to media at FF and FG meetings) we would be in a prolonged lockdown and now Mickey is going on holidays.

    Just make sure you don't have the tape recorder up too loud !


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    #277
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    America isn't taking the virus seriously. The large inauguration and the thousands at the Super bowl final the other day is indicative of their appalling attitude to the virus.

    There wasn't a large crowd at the inauguration. You know this.


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    #278
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Our relations with the US would survive MM not going but accepting the invitation would still be more beneficial than not.
    Are the Irish people going to suddenly stop complying with regulations because MM accepts an invite to the US.
    Are we really that shallow and unable to think for ourselves. This will not be a holiday for the Taoiseach, it will be a political visit.

    Vague and unspecific benefits of such a visit.


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    #279
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    There wasn't a large crowd at the inauguration. You know this.

    Hundreds of people, many travelled from around America. That's a large crowd.

    Garth Brooks hugged several people after he sung.

    Americans can't be trusted with the virus and aren't taking the steps taken here in Europe.


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    #280
    CrazyFather1
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    Id love to see a poll. Anyone ive been talking to in the College class is totally against him going (and that would include the posh ones)

    I am just trying to work out what relevance this has? how would you describe a "posh one"?


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    #281
    eireholidays
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    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    I am just trying to work out what relevance this has? how would you describe a "posh one"?

    The ones whos came from private schools, that mammy and daddy are paying for them through college while most of the class would have part time jobs to pay throughout college.


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    #282
    eireholidays
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    If you can't understand the difference between two house parties and a State visit to Washington, it is difficult to know where to start.

    I do know the difference.

    Im saying the youth don't care anymore, as can be seen out on my street today, Kids are all out playing (They were not upto this week)


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    #283
    eireholidays
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    Thespoofer wrote: »
    Just make sure you don't have the tape recorder up too loud !

    I am not attending but I will be having 2 or 3 friends over and no the door will not be answered if anyone calls.


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    #284
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Hundreds of people, many travelled from around America. That's a large crowd.

    Garth Brooks hugged several people after he sung.

    Americans can't be trusted with the virus and aren't taking the steps taken here in Europe.

    Everyone who attended had been tested immediately prior to attending.
    Given that recent inaugurations have been attended by hundreds of thousands, a crowd of hundreds is by no means a large crowd. More so given the open nature of the event and the obvious social distancing in play (aside from Brooks), you either didn't see it or are misrepresenting it.

    I'm living in the US and where I am we have been wearing masks all the time in public since last May and specifically inside any shops. That is only happening in Ireland in the last couple of months.


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    #285
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    I am not attending but I will be having 2 or 3 friends over and no the door will not be answered if anyone calls.

    Won't be much fun for your friends to spend the evening on the doorstep...


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    #286
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Everyone who attended had been tested immediately prior to attending.
    Given that recent inaugurations have been attended by hundreds of thousands, a crowd of hundreds is by no means a large crowd. More so given the open nature of the event and the obvious social distancing in play (aside from Brooks), you either didn't see it or are misrepresenting it.

    I'm living in the US and where I am we have been wearing masks all the time in public since last May and specifically inside any shops. That is only happening in Ireland in the last couple of months.

    Americans want to wear masks and nothing else. Cases and deaths are enormous.

    Americans just not taking it seriously enough I'm afraid.


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    #287
    CrazyFather1
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    The ones whos came from private schools, that mammy and daddy are paying for them through college while most of the class would have part time jobs to pay throughout college.

    I know when I was in college the whole point was mixing with people from all backgrounds etc, didn't matter where the person came frome etc. Maybe college has changed since then when people have to stick labels on everyone. Hopefully not because that is a major backwards step


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    #288
    eireholidays
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Won't be much fun for your friends to spend the evening on the doorstep...

    Your freaking hilarious. 3 of my close friends have keys to my house, as they would regularly check in on my dogs when im working nights


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    #289
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    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Another sweeping statement.

    Is this your point?


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    #290
    blanch152
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    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    I know when I was in college the whole point was mixing with people from all backgrounds etc, didn't matter where the person came frome etc. Maybe college has changed since then when people have to stick labels on everyone. Hopefully not because that is a major backwards step

    It is more that some college students carry around chips the size of logs on their shoulders.


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    #291
    FrancieBrady
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Everyone who attended had been tested immediately prior to attending.
    Given that recent inaugurations have been attended by hundreds of thousands, a crowd of hundreds is by no means a large crowd. More so given the open nature of the event and the obvious social distancing in play (aside from Brooks), you either didn't see it or are misrepresenting it.

    I'm living in the US and where I am we have been wearing masks all the time in public since last May and specifically inside any shops. That is only happening in Ireland in the last couple of months.

    Have you seen the resulting spread of one person on a flight?


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    #292
    CrazyFather1
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Have you seen the resulting spread of one person on a flight?

    I know you are concerned for Michael Martin safety but I am sure the tax payer can pay for an entire flight on his own :-) that would really get Pearse shouting and roaring


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    #293
    eireholidays
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is more that some college students carry around chips the size of logs on their shoulders.

    You reply to a statement "Maybe college has changed since then when people have to stick labels on everyone." with "some college students carry around chips the size of logs on their shoulders."

    Spoofer


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    #294
    James Brown
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    Sends a bad message MM going for glory to the WH.
    Biden has already spoke on the relationship he has with Ireland and plans to visit. While I support going over on Paddy's, not during a global pandemic.
    More about MM's ego than trade or relations.


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    #295
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is more that some college students carry around chips the size of logs on their shoulders.

    Why wouldn't they? Young people are shafted again and again in this country.


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    #296
    FrancieBrady
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    James Brown wrote: »
    Sends a bad message MM going for glory to the WH.
    Biden has already spoke on the relationship he has with Ireland and plans to visit. While I support going over on Paddy's, not during a global pandemic.
    More about MM's ego than trade or relations.

    Leo's ego allowed him to justify meeting the likes of Trump (there were enough reasons not to without a pandemic) even when an unknown virus was raging. What will Micheál's ego allow him to do, considering he went into government with a party he said he never would.

    No point depending on these lads sense of duty anyhow.


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    quokula
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    Northernlily wrote: »
    Dominic Cummings fallout is exactly what is on my mind when thinking of how this will be perceived.

    That was catastrophic for the UK response. It will make a good case study when the dust settles.

    People are weary and looking for any excuse to be non compliant and this might be handing them one on a platter.

    Dominic Cummings made a personal trip with his family to a tourist spot while displaying symptoms of covid, and was rightly criticised for it.

    Many UK politicians were travelling for essential government business at the same time. Boris Johnson travelled to Brussels for Brexit negotiations for example. This was not criticised, because you'd have to either be a complete idiot or intentionally disingenuous to not recognise the difference between flouting the rules and conducting government business in the interest of the country.

    Not to mention the thousands of couriers and others who travelled and continue to travel across borders because essential business is essential business. Should we be demonising them because they get to travel to other countries as part of their job?


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    #298
    CrazyFather1
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    quokula wrote: »
    Dominic Cummings made a personal trip with his family to a tourist spot while displaying symptoms of covid, and was rightly criticised for it.

    Many UK politicians were travelling for essential government business at the same time. Boris Johnson travelled to Brussels for Brexit negotiations for example. This was not criticised, because you'd have to either be a complete idiot or intentionally disingenuous to not recognise the difference between flouting the rules and conducting government business in the interest of the country.

    Not to mention the thousands of couriers and others who travelled and continue to travel across borders because essential business is essential business. Should we be demonising them because they get to travel to other countries as part of their job?

    Most people you will find have no idea about what Dominic Cummings did, they just fire out the name


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    #299
    fergiesfolly
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    Martin's really played this poorly. He looks like he's clawing for an invite.
    A picture for his office wall before his brief stint as Taoiseach is over.
    Contact should have been made with the US state dept to knock this on the head weeks ago.
    Joint statement from both governments stating that although a visit would have been fantastic, common sense and the common good means that the visit is postponed. Biden invites Martin to DC later this year and Martin reciprocates.
    A zoom call on St Patrick's day with the bowl of shamrock prominently displayed on the Resolute desk in the White House.
    Job done.

    Of all the US presidents we have needed to plamas over the years, Biden is one we don't need to worry about. He openly boasts of his Irish heritage. I bet he wears a Mayo jersey to bed for gods sake


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    #300
    eireholidays
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    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Most people you will find have no idea about what Dominic Cummings did, they just fire out the name

    People know what Mickey is doing. Going on an unnecessary trip to America. Who all will be going, just Mickey himself? If 1 member of his family goes, that will be the end for this Govt


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    #301
    CrazyFather1
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    eireholidays wrote: »
    People know what Mickey is doing. Going on an unnecessary trip to America. Who all will be going, just Mickey himself? If 1 member of his family goes, that will be the end for this Govt

    Maybe I missed it but has it been confirmed yet he is going?


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